I don't know if they'll dust the place, but they sure might since it's a high-profile case. Also, Todd was strangled by his chains. I'm sure they'll find a way to link that to Jesse.
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Breaking Bad - Awaiting the Final Episodes **Spoilers**
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I don't know if they'll dust the place, but they sure might since it's a high-profile case. Also, Todd was strangled by his chains. I'm sure they'll find a way to link that to Jesse.
Yeah, you're right. There is plenty of evidence linking him to the scene of the crime. It all depends on if they decide to go after what they consider the minnow after catching the prized bass, and if Jesse sticks around Albuquerque for long.
Which I kinda doubt he will. For the first time in two years, he's free. Even if it is for the moment, I think he's just gonna drive and keep on driving until he's far, far away.
No doubt The Sopranos is easily in the top 5 shows of all time, and without the Sopranos, there may have been no Breaking Bad. The Sopranos was groundbreaking, and changed forever the landscape of dramatic television.
But, many have said The Sopranos went a season or two too long. Some even say it was all downhill after the first 2 seasons. Breaking Bad, by comparison, has been almost universally praised for being relentlessly riveting for every single episode of every season.
In terms of pure storytelling, Breaking Bad had an almost perfect arc. Its undiluted clarity of vision and purpose for the entire series makes The Sopranos look like a wandering mess. BB had a much smaller, tighter cast. Zero superfluous characters. There were no filler subplots. Every efficienct and purposeful minute of each episode served solely to drive the story to its predetermined end.
And therein is my only criticism of the show. At times throughout the 5 seasons, it seemed to me as if the writing had to bend to the story; the framework of the entire show was already complete, and was built upon by the writers as the show progressed.
I did not believe in tonight's episode, for example, that Jack would pause Walt's demise merely because he was insulted by Walt's insinuation that Jack and Jesse were partners. But the story obviously needed that pause for the gun in Walt's car to be deployed, because the gun was part of the story before the writers worked out exactly how he would get to use it. So the writing bowed to the framework, because the framework was rigid and the writing had to follow it.
The Sopranos on the other hand, meandered, sometimes rather aimlessly, not unlike its predecessor, The Wire. The writers knew Tony inside and out, and had a blast writing for him, but ultimately, they didn't have as nearly a developed story to tell. While the story of Breaking Bad took the path of an unfaltering arrow, shot skyward then plummeting downward, The Sopranos' arrow dipped, dove, rose, veered, and ultimately, in the last episode, simply faded from view.
The Sopranos played out much like a long big budget soap opera; Breaking Bad more like a finely tuned 3 act play.
I do believe Breaking Bad owes much of its success to The Sopranos, but like many a son of a great father, Breaking Bad took what it learned from The Sopranos to the next level, and beyond, and managed to accomplish things The Sopranos never achieved.
And the show that comes from the groundwork laid down by both of these fine series will undoubtedly be even better.
I just finished it omgggggggg.
Granted I just started watching the show a week ago but watching all the episodes in such a short amount of time, I still got really attached to it.
It was a really nice ending. Felt like it had the right amount of everything... It didn't feel the need to rush through things, it went at a nice pace yet still got things done.
I'm just sad we didn't see/hear a lot from the other characters. No talking from Walt Jr., barely any lines/scenes of Jesse, Skylar and Marie. But at the same time it felt good because they dedicated the whole finale to Walt, and that felt good.
Idk, really nice ending, they didn't try too hard yet still closed it off perfectly. Amazing show.
Granted I just started watching the show a week ago but watching all the episodes in such a short amount of time, I still got really attached to it.
It was a really nice ending. Felt like it had the right amount of everything... It didn't feel the need to rush through things, it went at a nice pace yet still got things done.
I'm just sad we didn't see/hear a lot from the other characters. No talking from Walt Jr., barely any lines/scenes of Jesse, Skylar and Marie. But at the same time it felt good because they dedicated the whole finale to Walt, and that felt good.
Idk, really nice ending, they didn't try too hard yet still closed it off perfectly. Amazing show.
This I disagree with. Jack is the type of person who has enough of a sense of honor to take exception to being called a liar. It's not all that surprising that he'd want to throw it right back in Walt's face before taking him around back to put a bullet in his head.
Though if I had to find a complaint about that scene, it'd be that it felt too based around Walt lucking out. I think they sacrificed a bit of plausibility for the sake of drama, but the show's done that before, so I'm not gonna take exception to it now. Not when it was put to such good use.
great ending.... so glad that it delivered.
I have two questions:
1. how did Walt get the actual packet of ricin to Lydia in the coffee shop. Lydia's holding the only packet there was the whole time he's at the table. And if he put the packet there before she arrived, how did he know on which table she and Todd would be sitting. This is driving me crazy.....! anyone?
2. and - less importantly - why on earth did Walt tell Lydia she's been poisoned with ricin? doesn't that gives her a chance to seek medical attention and be saved? plus, if she had the whole packet of ricin, wouldn't that kill her almost immediately due to its high toxicity?
cheers!
I have two questions:
1. how did Walt get the actual packet of ricin to Lydia in the coffee shop. Lydia's holding the only packet there was the whole time he's at the table. And if he put the packet there before she arrived, how did he know on which table she and Todd would be sitting. This is driving me crazy.....! anyone?
2. and - less importantly - why on earth did Walt tell Lydia she's been poisoned with ricin? doesn't that gives her a chance to seek medical attention and be saved? plus, if she had the whole packet of ricin, wouldn't that kill her almost immediately due to its high toxicity?
cheers!
That last bit is the hardest part to swallow. Walt is very, very good at predicting what people will do, and Lydia is, in his words, a very "schedule oriented person". It's not too much of a stretch to know she'd come into the cafe at 10AM sharp, Tuesday. He knew she'd order the tea, and sweeten it with Stevia (she's done that very thing in practically ever episode she's been in). All he had to do was leave a single packet for her to grab.
...but if someone else sat at that table before they arrived, then yeah...he would've been screwed.
First, I doubt the whole thing was ricin. She would've been able to tell the difference in taste if it were nothing but. He probably put just enough in the packet to kill her quickly, but not clue her in that something's off.
And I think ricin is powerful enough of a poison that, once you reach a certain point, there's not much anyone can do. She was showing late stage symptoms when Walt talked to her for the last time, so she probably only had a couple more hours to live.
Don't take what I say as fact, because I'm just assuming, but he probably knew where she'd be sitting because, as he said, she was a very scheduled and "routine" kind of person, so I'm guessing she always sat at the same table (in the same way she always went to that coffee shop/restaurant, and always had Stevia).
And yeah he obviously "planted" it there as they show she went through the whole basket and only found the single packet (I hadn't noticed that when watching it, it's nice they considered that detail).
And we don't know how much ricin he used... And from the moment she drank it to when Walt calls her it's been in her system all day... Walt being the smart guy that he is, I'm sure he made sure to give her the right dose to kill her and know that when he told her she was poisoned, it was too late for her to seek help.
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Yeah, Walt has lucked out in pretty much the entire show... saving himself from many deadly or harmful situations. Part of why his ego got so big maybe.
Even Jesse has pointed it out I believe
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Eh, it seems like through out the show there have been so many deaths caused by Walt/Jesse that have never lead them to be caught?
Maybe I just didn't focus too much and I'm missing something, but even though they would cover some of their stuff up, I'm sure lots of the deaths they caused weren't cleaned up perfectly and they must have left some sort trace, yet they never got caught.
Even Jesse has pointed it out I believe
Yup, that was Jesse. It went something like...
"He's smarter than you, and he's luckier than you. Whatever you think is gonna happen today, the very opposite of that thing will happen. Mr. White is the devil".
...wow. It just suddenly hit me. No more Breaking Bad. I know it's just a show, and it's such a cheesy thing to get sad about, but damn...I'm kinda sad it's all over.
Thanks. Yeah, I thought I missed something. I guess we'll never know for sure. It's one of those things that remain forever open - I'm not sure if on purpose, of if it's a script omission. The fact that Lydia/Walt, and Lydia/Todd sat in different tables on previous occasions makes me wonder. And, the idea of Walt going around the restaurant earlier, considering the way he looked, scavenging all the other Stevia packets, to leave just one on a random table, in anticipation for them to sit there, seems funny. In that case, my guess is he would've been arrested by being mistaken for a hobo stealing sugar in bit of a posh cafeteria.
(wouldn't that be hilarious?!?)Anyway. Other than that, I'm happy the show brought closure to the whole story.
Cheers!
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Great ending, Just wish we didn't have to happen, I have been dreading today for months.
But at least I feel closure with the storyline that I invested hundreds of hours in. (Thank you for the non-Sopranos ending.)
Though I feel like I just lost a best friend..
I actually am feeling slightly depressed the show is over.
The writing and acting in Breaking Bad was phenomenal.
I'm not really a big TV guy, when it comes to series that you have to watch religiously.
I absolutely loved the Sopranos, love The Walking Dead, but Breaking Bad was special, it just had me hooked like no other show ever has. There wasn't ever 1 bad or even mediocre episode.
I agree with below statement. (And pretty much everything else MCDJ said.)
Gonna give Better Call Saul a try, but, I know it wont be the same. But who knows, never thought a teacher who sold meth would either.
RIP Walt.
But at least I feel closure with the storyline that I invested hundreds of hours in. (Thank you for the non-Sopranos ending.)
Though I feel like I just lost a best friend..
I actually am feeling slightly depressed the show is over.
The writing and acting in Breaking Bad was phenomenal.
I'm not really a big TV guy, when it comes to series that you have to watch religiously.
I absolutely loved the Sopranos, love The Walking Dead, but Breaking Bad was special, it just had me hooked like no other show ever has. There wasn't ever 1 bad or even mediocre episode.
I agree with below statement. (And pretty much everything else MCDJ said.)
Gonna give Better Call Saul a try, but, I know it wont be the same. But who knows, never thought a teacher who sold meth would either.
RIP Walt.
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That was a great ending to a great show. Walt made sure everyone remembered his name, even at their death. Lydia, the neo-nazis, and even Elliot and Gretchen all knew who Walt was and those that lived will continue to remember him.
Obviously, his family, except for little Holly, will remember him as well as Jesse.
I'm glad none of the family was killed off and it was uplifting to see Jesse make it and regain his freedom. Walt even apologized to Jesse in a way by tackling him while he wasted the others, saving his life. Then allowing Jesse the chance to kill him for all the horrible things he did to him.
Jesse remained the moral compass of the show, in relative terms. He couldn't kill anyone except Gale and it devastated him for a long time. He didn't want to go through that again even despite the fact it was Walt. He felt it better to have either Walt kill himself, or bleed out once he looked down and saw the wound he took. Either that or let the cancer or police get him. Telling Walt to say "I want this" would be akin to letting Walt get what he wants yet again and Jesse wasn't going to let that happen.
Fantastic show from pilot to finale.
Obviously, his family, except for little Holly, will remember him as well as Jesse.
I'm glad none of the family was killed off and it was uplifting to see Jesse make it and regain his freedom. Walt even apologized to Jesse in a way by tackling him while he wasted the others, saving his life. Then allowing Jesse the chance to kill him for all the horrible things he did to him.
Jesse remained the moral compass of the show, in relative terms. He couldn't kill anyone except Gale and it devastated him for a long time. He didn't want to go through that again even despite the fact it was Walt. He felt it better to have either Walt kill himself, or bleed out once he looked down and saw the wound he took. Either that or let the cancer or police get him. Telling Walt to say "I want this" would be akin to letting Walt get what he wants yet again and Jesse wasn't going to let that happen.
Fantastic show from pilot to finale.
Jesse sure seemed to enjoy killing Todd... A completely justified killing, but a murder nonetheless. And you're right about not giving Mr White what he wanted by putting a bullet through his skull. At that moment Jesse was done doing anything more for the man.
Was also great seeing uncle jack to out the same way he killed hank - mid sentence.
Putting the stevia package at the right table wasn't the only time Walt stretched the bounds of believability. He managed to get into Skyler's place, walk around the kitchen, and leave undetected by the police outside, and it's unlikely that someone as notorious as Walt could drive a stolen car cross country without being noticed. (Actually, Vince Gilligan said that he had written a scene where a former student did recognize Walt, but it was never filmed.) In an earlier episode, he was able to drive at very high speed to the spot where he buried his money without attracting attention.
Even Badger and SP were lucky that they were able to aim their laser pointers directly on Gretchen and Elliot almost instantly. It would be possible with a laser scope, but very difficult with a hand-held pointer.
Gus had his moment, too. I don't think many people could sustain the blast injury that he did and then walk calmly out of the room and straighten his tie before collapsing.
None of these things prevented me from enjoying BB, but just like with many television shows and movies, I had to suspend disbelief at times.
I don't think we can hold Todd's killing against Jesse. Todd beat him, tortured him, held him captive and made him a slave to cook meth. Todd, I would say, was more evil than Walt. At least, most of the time when Walt killed, he showed some remorse, more early in the series, than later. But Todd had no issues killing, even a child, and never showed any remorse or regret.
I agree. Was just pointing out that Jesse has killed two people. Gale and Todd. Todd is pure evil and when I saw Jesse finally get to take him out was so happy I jumped off the couch!
The Lydia ringtone (the last bit of humor in an otherwise dark show) is proof positive that Todd was one dude that wasn't playing with a full deck of cards so to speak.
One other thought I had is where do we think Jesse goes now that he's free? He can't return to Brock as it's fairly certain the child would be with family or in the care of child protective services. The idea he goes and supports Brock is a nice one, but ultimately flawed in my opinion.
My guess is he sells the house he owns (his only source of cash at this point), and moves far, far away from New Mexico. Maybe he can meet up with Saul at the Cinnabon in Omaha?
I too doubt that Jesse would have gone back for Brock. He probably would have a hard time finding him and getting his family to let him near. Plus the police might be looking for him there as well.
I like to think he took off out of state or country and is going to settle down and not be involved in the drug business anymore. I think he's learned his lesson with that particular trade.
Maybe he'll go work for Norm Abram and do some woodworking.
I like to think he took off out of state or country and is going to settle down and not be involved in the drug business anymore. I think he's learned his lesson with that particular trade.
Maybe he'll go work for Norm Abram and do some woodworking.
The ending brought satisfying closure. I was expecting something more exciting and a twist somewhere.
For a show that kept us on the edge of our seats and had so many twists and turns, the ending was very simple. I guess that could be a good thing.
It left me happy that it's over and I do not want there to be more, so I guess it did its job.
Unlike, Dexter, which was a pretty awful ending.
For a show that kept us on the edge of our seats and had so many twists and turns, the ending was very simple. I guess that could be a good thing.
It left me happy that it's over and I do not want there to be more, so I guess it did its job.
Unlike, Dexter, which was a pretty awful ending.
While watching it, I purely enjoyed the episode. However, letting it sink in, these issues came up in my mind as well. It was such a perfect ending for Walt, everything didn't fit in with the struggles of Walter White through 4.95 seasons of Breaking Bad.
The same sort of conclusions are made in the past wrap up I've seen so far in The Closure-Happy "Breaking Bad" Finale - The New Yorker (at this moment a draft title shows up in my browser, perhaps a more correct title - How the Breaking Bad Finale Fell Short)
Many valid points in that piece. However, I think it's overly critical in some spots. The confrontation with Jack isn't that hard to believe. Walt is a master of manipulating people and their pride, as we have seen. They also have reason to have their guard down because of who he is. They pretty much have no knowledge of his previous triumphs.
I also find it odd and she glosses over three masked men sneaking into Skyler's house in the last episode, but one guy in this episode is hard to believe.
As for the strokes of luck - that's fair. But we've also had a series of things always going pretty much the worse possible way they could, and we've accepted that without hesitation.
I'm willing to believe more of it because we're finally seeing a Walt without pretenses. He's not trying to balance two things (family and crime) that is simply impossible. He is focused on revenge, is knowledgeable and meticulous. He's able to execute his plan against Lydia because he knows their routines and habits. He's also serially underestimated because of his appearance and demeanor.
In the end, it had to strike some balance of closure and believability. I think it's fine it erred on the side of closure. I for one would be left feeling sick if the Nazis were still out there as was Lydia, and it only seemed a matter of time for Skyler and her family, if they didn't have to live in perpetual terror. We have to remember we just watched a story where the "hero" died broke, emaciated and hated by everyone he cared about. It's quite a feat that that ending is construed as "happy" or magical.
Watching the episodes one at a time in a row, these inconsistencies pop up and stick out because the shock is no longer there. It's my second favorite show I've ever seen, but these issues are a little annoying.
Also: Who called the police in the finale?
The massive amount of gun fire maybe? Not sure how far away they were from other people, but that gun was loud.