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Or make the Zune a little less unhip.

What is wrong with the Zune? Granted the 1G was noting more than a brick with some glass, but the 2G isn't a bad device. There are a few things about it that aren't that smart, but it holds up well compared to - it's direct competitors - the Classic and the Nano.

Like they just did with hotmail, excuse me live mail, and Safari.

With Safari, perhaps. But, I remember signing up for Hotmail before MS picked them up. The service was good, but I remember the explosion in quantity of people that signed up for addresses after. It became much easier for me to reach people over email.

I don't see MS putting a whole lot of time into Yahoo. Rather, they will treat it live a direct line of credit, with some cost-addressing managers installed to stem the bleeding. Sure MS has lost money in several areas, but when they put their minds to it, they come out greener. Additionally, this should help MS turn around their flagging divisions, as Yahoo will bring in some fresher ideas, and perhaps a stronger understanding of the markets that MS is failing to gain a solid comprehension of.

I have always been unable to stand yahoo. Something about the way they design their sites annoys me.

The way everything is set up annoys me

seriously i cant explain it, but there has NEVER been anything about yahoo i liked.. maybe google brainwashed me with Gmail?

Did you ever use Yahoo in the early days? Their greatest strength was as a portal. It really was a thing of beauty. Their quick expansion into several areas has cost them money, without giving them a time to establish a strong foothold. By spreading themselves so thin, it has been hard to support their various divisions. That has led to poor management decisions on occasion, not because of stupidity, but because of a lack of preparation or willingness to set aside personal bias. What MS gives them are personnel with training and management understanding, and the resources to defend their gains while bringing in more external talent (and retaining what they do have).
 
Probably impossible, but I hope this puts M$ in financial trouble.

Since M$ already have a similar service (MSN), I wonder how many Yahoo employees will be out on the street since M$ does not need that many people when they join both businesses.

Happens all the time in mergers, a lot of good people are put on the street.

While I understand why, it is still not palatable if you happen to be one of those loosing your job.
 
I feel this is a bit alarming as a Mac user.

While the iPhone supports Gmail nicely, many ISPs bundle services with Yahoo which plays nice with the iPhone as well. I would hate to see MSFT take Yahoo and somehow bastardize it to become Apple/iPhone unfreindly, whick is very possible.

The other interesting aspect is that Yahoo is the biggest site in the world (I think -- no citation offered) to use PHP...

I imagine if MS buys them up, my guess is that they will convert the whole site to AS or .net or whatever it is they push now. That would be a big loss for Zend (makers of PHP).
 
The other interesting aspect is that Yahoo is the biggest site in the world (I think -- no citation offered) to use PHP...

I imagine if MS buys them up, my guess is that they will convert the whole site to AS or .net or whatever it is they push now. That would be a big loss for Zend (makers of PHP).

Hehe, maybe they will switch everything to Windows server and run it on Mac hardware, LOL (not a chance).
 
The other interesting aspect is that Yahoo is the biggest site in the world (I think -- no citation offered) to use PHP...

I imagine if MS buys them up, my guess is that they will convert the whole site to AS or .net or whatever it is they push now. That would be a big loss for Zend (makers of PHP).

Most of Yahoo's infrastructure runs on FreeBSD

They also own Zimbra, which is mostly open source and one of the best competitors to Outlook/Exchange.

Pretty big consequences for this move
 
What a screw up...

Does anyone not remember the fiasco that was Time Warner buying AOL?

Any synergies created by this merger will vaporize in the matter of weeks. Microsoft knows their future in earnings growth is going to tank once the actual sales of Windows and Office start to fall off. Sure Server and Tools is doing good - but not good enough to carry the company.
 
My ISP uses Yahoo for the email service. this is just so wrong, they have their MSN services.

someone should step in and void it, its BS and is just Microsoft's normal behavior in wanting to be the only provider of anything.
 
Does anyone not remember the fiasco that was Time Warner buying AOL?

Any synergies created by this merger will vaporize in the matter of weeks. Microsoft knows their future in earnings growth is going to tank once the actual sales of Windows and Office start to fall off the floor. Sure Server and Tools is doing good - but not good enough to carry the company.

Actually, it was AOL that bought Time Warner. Really.

In any case, that was a new media company buying an old media company. Though I'm sure there would still be some bumps in the road, Microsoft and Yahoo! are in enough alignment that it should be a lot smoother than that.
 
As of 11:14 a.m. EST, this is where they stand. Hmm... Wonder it would really help Microsoft in terms of competing against Google? Really. I think it'll be really bad for Yahoo! Man... I am sure that people at Yahoo! think of the old glorious days back in 1999 a lot when its stock was hovering over $108. :D

P.S. Yahoo! has climbed up pretty good since the bid was made from just over $19 (at closing yesterday) to $27 (currently)...

Cheers! :apple:
 

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What is wrong with the Zune? Granted the 1G was noting more than a brick with some glass, but the 2G isn't a bad device. There are a few things about it that aren't that smart, but it holds up well compared to - it's direct competitors - the Classic and the Nano.

The only "problem" with the Zune really is that it is basically a nice alternative to its "direct competitors", the Classic and the Nano. There's nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but the thing is, if you are trying to really get attention in the marketplace, you need to do more than just being a nice alternative with maybe a few things that are a bit better. You need to do something that is significantly better. On the larger scale of course, the iPod Classic and Nano are essentially transitional devices, the last gasps of the "old" iPod interface.

I think the only other problem with the Zune is that they finally got something that matched and sometimes exceeded the "old" iPod, but the competition now is with the new iPhone/iPod Touch interface and capabilities.

Also worth noting: Google is down 50 points (or nearly 9%)!

I think that has more to do with the missed earnings goals from yesterday.

-Zadillo
 
I see many good people wanting to leave Microsoft...

I have a feeling many good people are going to take stock (no pun intended) and vacate their positions at Microsoft. All this amounts to is Microsoft is unable to creatively create value in the new online world unless it has hooks into Windows.

This is the true legacy of Jim Allchin....
 
... but seriously, who gives a sh*t? I search with Google because it's built in to Safari. I go to Yahoo because they gave me a free email a/c a long time ago that still has its purposes. Who here has more of a concern than that? It isn't compulsory to have an opinion about it, ya know. Even as a member of MR.
 
... but seriously, who gives a sh*t? I search with Google because it's built in to Safari. I go to Yahoo because they gave me a free email a/c a long time ago that still has its purposes. Who here has more of a concern than that? It isn't compulsory to have an opinion about it, ya know. Even as a member of MR.


i am worried and i give a sh*t, cause my ISP uses Yahoo for their email and other things. Microsoft is just going to screw things up cause they cant make their own service like this go anywhere.
 
Actually, it was AOL that bought Time Warner. Really.

In any case, that was a new media company buying an old media company. Though I'm sure there would still be some bumps in the road, Microsoft and Yahoo! are in enough alignment that it should be a lot smoother than that.

Yep, you're right! I had to go look that up. The value of AOL decreased so drastically, I actually remembered it wrong!

The point that I was trying to make, is there's not that much value in the merger. It's too easy for customers to switch from one of these new services to another. I mean, who uses MySpace anymore, now that Facebook has taken off? I'll bet MySpace never IPOs. I see the same thing happening with any of the services that Yahoo now has. All I see in this is an opportunity for companies like Google to capture fleeing customers from what will be a new bad experience from Microhoo, which will probably tied to IE some way.

I see goodwill write offs of the same magnitude in Microsoft's future. Say 30 billion? Let's bet and check back on this thread in a year or two...



:)
 
Most of Yahoo's infrastructure runs on FreeBSD

They also own Zimbra, which is mostly open source and one of the best competitors to Outlook/Exchange.

Pretty big consequences for this move

Excellent points. I didn't know about Zimbra.

Really don't see the logic for this acquisition. Loss for MS and a loss for society...

Zend do not make PHP. PHP is an open source project and was started by one man.

Maybe "purveyors" is a better word? Zend makes money off of PHP, that much I can say for certain. Obviously as an open source project, they don't make money on every installation, but I'm sure Yahoo is a major client. One of the Yahoo tech presentations talks about their [surprising] choice to use PHP -- and Zend was one of the motivating factors.
 
This could serve to be very interesting indeed...

I suppose it would take care of the whole "Yahoo Messenger/Windows Live Messenger" thing...
 
Is this showing on Mac Rumors because Apple seems to have quite an active relationship with Yahoo?

Would that relationship end?

Yes it would.

This hostile takeover is a strategic move ahead of Google Airwaves possibly winning the 700Mhz auction.

Balmer is simply paranoid.Almost to a dangerous mental degree and the FCC AND the FTC might see a problem with this takeover.
 
M$ Haters

Having just read through all seven pages of posts I find it really funny how so many people hate Microsoft so much. Guys they're just a company, I know they're not perfect, but come on.

What's really funny is that many of the same type of comments can be found on the various OpenSource and Linux forums bashing Apple in the same way.

Microsoft is a partner of Apples. I believe they actually took the largest order of PowerMac G5's ever documented.

Yahoo is a partner also, as is Google, IBM, etc....

Just this week I had a heated discussion about Yahoo and how they needed to do something quick, before they became just a footnote in the history of the internet. Yes, things are that bad there. Their CEO is afraid of making any tough decisions (they need to lay off a lot more than a 1,000 employees) and they really don't know how to advance to the next level. This quite common and normally what happens is either they get bought while they still have some value or they got bought later for scraps. If Yahoo waits another year, that's all that will be left, scraps. And what would happen then, all of the those cool, non-profit generating sites that people enjoy will be gone.

There are really only two companies out there that could bail out Yahoo and they're Google (who won't because they don't need anything that Yahoo has) and Microsoft (who needs what they have).

I don't include Apple, because this does not fit into Apple's position of being neutral. If Apple wants to do what Yahoo does they will just create it themselves.

This is a great day for Yahoo, I only hope they don't screw this one up and refuse Microsoft's generous offer.
 
Yahoo responds :

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/02/01/ms.yahoo.deal.call/

"Microsoft also believes there to be incidental benefits for Yahoo outside of search and advertising, such as advanced research and development for Yahoo's mobile platform as well as its video services."

If Google wins that FCC auction and uses it for video over Wifi/Mobile Microsoft has something to use since the rules state anyone can use their own device in that spectrum.

This is about the future of the mobile wifi platform and Microsoft knows it.
 
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