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Next "hostile" purchase:

AT&T

Hey, the want to get more into the mobile business too!

Ballmer would like to invite all AT&T iPhone users in (as it won't work on MS-AT&T anymore) to trade their phones in for a free Windows Mobile phone (and extend your contract another 2 years).

Enjoy... :eek:
 
I would be surprised if this really happened- it just seems sooooo stupid. This is like someone buying Burger King because they want to take over McDonalds. Google has become integrated into society, it is a verb now- its the same as when McDonalds became fast food, and Coca Cola became pop, Google has become internet searching.
More and more it seems like whoever is making decisions at Microsoft is doing so with an attitude of "If Microsoft is doing it, it has to work". They are overestimating themselves if they think they can throw billions at Yahoo and even come close to what Google has done.
The main killer for this is the fact that it is so easy to use Google no matter what- you can't exclude Google, or force Yahoo on people by integrating it with Windows. I'm sure Yahoo use will increase if its bundled with Windows but people won't have to use it.
 
great

"I imagine if MS buys them up, my guess is that they will convert the whole site to AS or .net or whatever it is they push now."

and they will also run on windows machines rather than BSD boxes and the whole thing will run like crap.

the good news is in order to make it work at a reasonable speed it will mean buying millions of new machines. ;)
 
Microsoft will never hit it big in the search engine market. They're way too late, and plus, "Google" has already made it into the dictionary as a verb. Nearly everyone uses it. They won't be able to monopolize this industry just by setting Windows Live as the default search provider, either. People are smart now. They know how to get to Google. :)

I worked for C|Net from 1997-1999. At the time, Google was famous for its search engine, and not www.google.com, it didn't exist as it does today. They were famous for writing the best search engine, and this search engine was used by other sites. I think Yahoo even, at one point, used Google's search engine.

When they launched their own consumer site, I scoffed. Everybody already knows Yahoo, after all. When they went public, I also scoffed, as they missed the initial IPO waves of the internet boom and were pretty late to go public.

Yeah, my predictions worked out well.

Moral: Things can change overnight. There was a time when Yahoo ruled the roost and Google was a big underdog late to the party. But they won because their results were better and the site design, then as now, was simple and easy to read. Need another example? How about Netscape? They were the poster child for the internet boom.

MSN was launched at the same time as Windows 95, intended to be a built-in equivalent to AOL. I remember the "Chicago" betas with MSN service didn't even have a browser yet, you navigated MSN through a folder metaphor like Finder or Explorer. By the time Windows 95 was ready for launch, the revolution happened and they had to come up with the first Internet Explorer and redo MSN from scratch. I think it's been redone several times since then.

Microsoft correctly perceives Google as a threat. It also sees how Google is making money, but turning MSN Live Search into a winner is hard. Just flat out buying Yahoo helps them consolidate the #2 spot. And IMO Yahoo is doing a slow fade anyway.
 
Nice argument...

you also have such an eloquent way with words...

I HATE M$ BLAHHHH! each time they make a business move, I say "Microsoft sucks!"

wow

go get ripped off with your iphone and download some rental movies in SD quality which cant be used on your ipod

killer - no broken scenarios here!

Because we all know that Microsoft can only dilute the market by peddling HD-DVD movies and drag on the format war which has been decisively won by Blu-Ray.
 
Does it really matter? What can Microsoft do with Yahoo that they couldn't do with their MSN service?

I can't really see this being good for Microsoft, really. If they're trying to compete with Google, I guess it may help, but is it worth $45 billion?


And this really should be in the Current Events forum. Not all news belongs here just because the Community forum gets more traffic.

MS is CRAP, Yahoo is CRAP, full stop. I actually hope MS goes on and pays that ridiculous amount of cash in order to accelerate its demise in the IT market...they will gain nothing from it and will just keep on floundering...MS is DEAD.
 
yawn..yahoo is so 1999. Anyway, why is this front page Apple news? Has anyone seen who is running M$? This guy is a joke and extremely anti-Apple. Microsoft is dead....
 
BAH!
12 years ago I decided to "see what the fuss was about" regarding the internet and email. I opened a Netscape webmail account.
AOL bought Netscape a couple years back and now I can only check my email using Internet Explorer.
I bailed... to Yahoo!
Now Microsoft (MSN) wants to buy Yahoo!
I'm bailing.. to Google (GMail)

FYI: if anyone else is jumping ship and wants to get your messages out of Yahoo Mail without paying to enable Yahoo POP service, there's a nifty little open-source tool YPOPS! that will grab Yahoo mail messages out of your account and allow a POP client (ie: MAIL or Thunderbird) to import them.
http://ypopsemail.com/
 
I only use yahoo mail because it works with Apple mail app, and its web interface works with safari.

i dont use msn / windows live as it does not work with mail and is barely usable on safari.

Plus the only search term i've ever put into windows live search is "Google", when using some sad vista users system.

i hope that mic-poo-soft doesn't change yahoo, else google gets another user.
 
Yahoo responds :

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/02/01/ms.yahoo.deal.call/

"Microsoft also believes there to be incidental benefits for Yahoo outside of search and advertising, such as advanced research and development for Yahoo's mobile platform as well as its video services."

If Google wins that FCC auction and uses it for video over Wifi/Mobile Microsoft has something to use since the rules state anyone can use their own device in that spectrum.

This is about the future of the mobile wifi platform and Microsoft knows it.
What are you babbling about? If Google wins (which they won't, nor do they really want to since all they wanted to do by joining the auction in the first place was to have rule stating that any device can use the spectrum put in place), a startup with no money could create a device and make it available.

Yahoo's mobile platform pales in comparison to what Microsoft always has. In fact no one comes close to what Microsoft currently offers (including Apple).

Also Microsoft's strategy in the market is set. They don't want to deliver a device, but have their technology on as many devices as possible.
 
So I did a little research and found the following companies in Microsoft's price range, each of which I think would be far better purchases than Yahoo!:

Research in Motion (53 billion; Plus: They could dump Windows mobile and actually be the market leader. Also, they could say they manufacture a product that works... pretty well! Minus: Apple is moving into the market aggressively.)

Nike (31 billion; Plus: They could end the Nike + iPod deal. Also, LeBron James could promote Vista. Also, they could file suit against the MacBook Air. Minus: Possible sweatshop related protests.)

Mastercard (28 billion; Plus: Who better to align themselves with consumer credit than Microsoft? Minus: What could be worse for consumers than Microsoft aligning themselves with credit cards?)

Anheuser Busch (35 billion; Plus: Steve Ballmer could have an excuse the next time he goes bat-s**t crazy at a keynote - he was helping out the quality assurance department! Minus: They'd somehow manage to produce even worse, watered down beer than Bud currently does...)

eBay (37 billion; Plus: They've have the ideal platform with which to dump all those unsold Zunes they have piling up in their distribution channels. Minus: They'd ruthlessly milk the heart and soul of their operations - the sellers - for every last penny in listing and final value fees, and then take another cut processing transactions via PayPal. Oh, wait a minute... eBay does that already. Nevermind.)
 
I would be surprised if this really happened- it just seems sooooo stupid. This is like someone buying Burger King because they want to take over McDonalds. Google has become integrated into society, it is a verb now- its the same as when McDonalds became fast food, and Coca Cola became pop, Google has become internet searching.
More and more it seems like whoever is making decisions at Microsoft is doing so with an attitude of "If Microsoft is doing it, it has to work". They are overestimating themselves if they think they can throw billions at Yahoo and even come close to what Google has done.
The main killer for this is the fact that it is so easy to use Google no matter what- you can't exclude Google, or force Yahoo on people by integrating it with Windows. I'm sure Yahoo use will increase if its bundled with Windows but people won't have to use it.

So you're saying if your goal was to be the number one fast food chain, it would be easier to start from scratch competing against McDonalds than to buy the number two chain in the market? Yeah, that makes sense...

Also, Pepsi leads Coca Cola in many markets, and has even outsold Coke in the US from time to time. So no, Coca Cola and Google are not immovable forces.
 
Yahoo sucks, but MSN sucks more. MSN search results aren't nearly as good as Google. So we're basically just plunging into a cooperative suckage.

As long as they don't touch Google, we're good.

I will miss Flickr as it is now though.
 
What are you babbling about? If Google wins (which they won't, nor do they really want to since all they wanted to do by joining the auction in the first place was to have rule stating that any device can use the spectrum put in place), a startup with no money could create a device and make it available.

Yahoo's mobile platform pales in comparison to what Microsoft always has. In fact no one comes close to what Microsoft currently offers (including Apple).

Also Microsoft's strategy in the market is set. They don't want to deliver a device, but have their technology on as many devices as possible.


This is why Google Airwaves has upped their bid 5 times now ?

17 $4,713,823,000
Google Airwaves Inc.
SUBMITTED

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13 $4,294,397,000
Google Airwaves Inc.
SUBMITTED

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12 $3,784,943,000
Google Airwaves Inc.
SUBMITTED

*
10 $3,379,984,000
Google Airwaves Inc.
SUBMITTED

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8 $2,976,465,000
Google Airwaves Inc.
SUBMITTED

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They hit the open access rule when they bid 4.2B in round 13

Google upped it to 4.7B in round 17
And they are the highest bidder so far.
 
I love the hipocracy expressed by so many users here.

"I hate Microsoft because they are a big giant monopoly that has too much power in the OS market, and based on this I will refuse to use their web based services and instead use the web services of Google, which is not an evil company..."

Google in many ways has become worse than Microsoft. Many of their products have "evolved" out of the purchase of many other smaller companies. Prime example: Google Earth, which prior to being purchased by Google (for the map data) was actually a product by Keystone. If Microsoft had made this same purchase they would have been slammed by nearly everyone here. Same case with YouTube. Google couldn't deal with competing against YouTube so they just bought them. Google's dominance in the web search market is in many ways comparable to Microsoft's dominance in the OS market. It's not the best search on the market with the best features, it's just the one that everyone uses and probably will continue to use, which is arguably the same case with Windows.
 
Because we all know that Microsoft can only dilute the market by peddling HD-DVD movies and drag on the format war which has been decisively won by Blu-Ray.


?!?!?!?!?!?!

I think you have a tremendously mistaken notion of what is going on in the format war...

I can tell you two things:

1. Microsoft would like to see anything that is part of Sony's strategy fail
2. Microsoft is interested in formats becoming a non-issue - Its CORE to the services strategy

that being said, trust me - putting any confidence in a format which has been positioned by Sony is foolish.

UMD, MiniDisc...great technologies which are made to SUCK by Sony's inept marketing and engineering teams

and we all know that local media storage is the wave of the future.

To pin this on Microsoft means you read the 1st sentence of every peice of crap reporting you come across and spend no time investigating facts
 
Poor Business Decision Poor Execution

This is a perfect example of an organisation not being able to innovate. Day in day out MS is losing ground on almost every sector of their business market.

The days of being able to get a real angle by making a purchase like this are over. People are not stupid and quite rightly as most of you have pointed out, consumers will work around any potential bundles within MS and continue to use Google. I've never liked Yahooh search, never interested in having an email account with them, nada. MS well never liked anything they did really, just a big bully in the Tech Business and this hostile aquisition is them through and through. With MS you can see them coming a mile away with their so called strategy to innovate (something they have not done in a very very very long time). The king is dead long live the king (Gates if your wondering), and now lets replace him with a bafoon, ah Ballmer will do. Yikes what a t...t! This ship is sinking and it is only big news due to the numbers $40+billion. At that price this it is clear that they'll be carrying a hefty burden to try an make this work. This seemed to me like more of a desperate aquisiiton rather than one that actually made any real business sense.

However over the next few years we'll see this once Tech giant head in the direction of the Dodo.
 
I love the irony expressed by so many users here.

"I hate Microsoft because they are a big giant monopoly that has too much power in the OS market, and based on this I will refuse to use their web based services and instead use the web services of Google, which is not an evil company..."

Google in many ways has become worse than Microsoft. Many of their products have "evolved" out of the purchase of many other smaller companies. Prime example: Google Earth, which prior to being purchased by Google (for the map data) was actually a product by Keystone. If Microsoft had made this same purchase they would have been slammed by nearly everyone here. Same case with YouTube. Google couldn't deal with competing against YouTube so they just bought them. Google's dominance in the web search market is in many ways comparable to Microsoft's dominance in the OS market. It's not the best search on the market with the best features, it's just the one that everyone uses and probably will continue to use, which is arguably the same case with Windows.

In Google's defense, they generally make the products they buy better or at the very least leave them untouched.

Microsoft has a history of dismantling past purchases or totally running them into the ground.
 
How polite of you.
I didn't know people were still pulling the old "most attacks because most popular" song.
MS OS is attacked most because it is the sloppiest written, plain and simple.
It allows (encourages) sloppy security practices by (yes) its enormous installed base, resulting in a security swamp that may never be drained.
And I doubt you could write an effective OSX virus or worm if your life depended on it.

oooo - ouch...you got me...you're smater than me, and my kid could beat you up

yes, and I love dredging up old arguments to hear a true coding master like yourself pull the ol' "I know Microsoft's code is sloppy despite the fact that I have never actually seen any of the OS code"

I would be willing to wager my entire outstanding student loan for my MS in CS that you pulled that argument from the repeating pattern that occurs every time this tired argument gets re-done

lets end it here since we know where you're going next
 
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