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Bruce Willis Considering Lawsuit Against Apple Over iTunes Store Music Transferability [Updated]
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You can do backup copies and you can be careful to keep your disc safe so it never scratches, that's not the point...
The thing is, when you buy it from iTunes, you have the right to re-download it as many times as you want and you don't have to worry about backups or keeping the disc safe.
If you rip a disk to a hard drive and the hard drive fails, you can't re-download it just because you had the disc, unless you have iTunes match, so that's why I mentioned it.
Uh, you can't legally make digital copies of a CD and "GIVE (or sell)" it to anyone. That called pirating music and is pretty much the reason why iTunes is a success. Selling somewhat disposable lower quality music intended for personal use and devices. So yes, you technically CAN copy your CDs and give the files to someone, you don't have the right to. You CAN legally give your discs to someone, but you legally have to destroy any copies you made of the discs. Legally the courts have ruled that you have to right to make copies, digital or otherwise, for your personal backup purposes. Sure your kids could inherit them when they inherit your computer, stuff, etc. but they don't inherit any legal right to continue downloading them for life when the computer breaks or they lose the drives.
Inheriting iTunes music is a bit more powerful I think. It seems that you're inheriting more of a contract that was made between two parties. Apple allows redownloading of music that you've previously purchased. Ditto with apps.
If it says you can't transfer ownership, then you can't transfer it. Sorry. Read the contract. Could've paid more for a CD that might break or scratch.
Can't they just take over his iCloud acct when he passes and nobody would be the wiser anyway?
This seems related to other issues aside from DRM. I googled it, and seems it's occurring on the latest iTunes release. Try checking forums, not much came up for me as it seems very recent.
Yippie kay yay?
edit: found it - yippie ki-yay http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yippie ki-yay
It doesn't. The license is granted to the account in perpetuity. But unfortunately, the account is non-transferrable; which is Willis's lawsuit makes sense.
I just buy then pirate if I get scammed by the DRM. I wouldn't consider that stealing since I am licensed to have the music that I bought. Luckily, iTunes got rid of DRM.
By the way, if I want my HDMI source to go to my HDTV, but the HDTV does not support the DRM on the HDMI (another reason why HDMI sucks balls), can I just remove the DRM by converting the HDMI to DVI then converting that DVI back to HDMI? I'm getting ripped off here when I buy stuff in 1080p, but it forces me to use the analog output because it doesn't like my TV.
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That is true for me. Most of the music I listen to is from the 30s, late 60s, 70s, or early 80s, and I was born in 1996.
Crimminy
Some people commenting here don't seem to get it. Willis is not doing this to get the music transferred. He's doing this to change the industry. If all he wanted was to give his kids the music he would do it at much less cost than talking with a lier, er I mean lawyer.
What Willis is doing is getting precedents set so that the world will change to be a better play. Yea Bruce!
This by the way, is one more reason to buy music on CD and movies on DVD. Then you actually own the movie on a physical medium that you can give to someone else, sell on eBay, pass on in your Will(is), etc. And of course, you can rip it at maximum quality to your computer for enjoying on your iPod or what ever. Until these issues get sorted out, if you worry about this, just stick to buying physical media. Eventually this will be sorted out.
Some people commenting here don't seem to get it. Willis is not doing this to get the music transferred. He's doing this to change the industry. If all he wanted was to give his kids the music he would do it at much less cost than talking with a lier, er I mean lawyer.
What Willis is doing is getting precedents set so that the world will change to be a better play. Yea Bruce!
This by the way, is one more reason to buy music on CD and movies on DVD. Then you actually own the movie on a physical medium that you can give to someone else, sell on eBay, pass on in your Will(is), etc. And of course, you can rip it at maximum quality to your computer for enjoying on your iPod or what ever. Until these issues get sorted out, if you worry about this, just stick to buying physical media. Eventually this will be sorted out.
So you're saying when I buy music through iTunes/Amazon/et al, those aren't legal purchases?
Uh, who is right?
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I agree, but I think he's suing the wrong party. According to the article, Apple does not dictate these restrictions. If the article is wrong, then yes, Apple should get sued and try to change the restrictions. I doubt this will happen though. I don't see how the case of "I don't like your rules, but I buy from you anyway" is going to fly in court.
What happens to your software when you die? Adobe CS, ProTools, etc.?
What about digital movies?
Maybe he should start with the movie industry first?
Yep. Mind you, it could have been worse, it could have been the Sunday Sport (is that still going?)!
The Apple world is on a downward spiral. First Apple hire the CEO of Dixons, now MR puts stories from The Sun and Daily Mail on page 1. Still, I guess we should make allowances since they're not Brits so couldn't be expected to know.
Some people are thick here... let me repeat:
This isn't about DRM protection, this is about whether you have the legal right to pass on iTunes music so someone else, or not. This is about whether Mr. Willis daughter, after he passes away, can state in public that she has been listening to some songs in her dead father's music collection, without fear of being arrested or being prosecuted for it.
And since some young man has been convicted to pay $22,500 per illegally copied song, I seriously doubt whether Bruce Willis' money is enough to pay for a possible fine for having illegally kept his music collection. If he has 20,000 songs, which is quite possible, that number times $22,500 is 450 million dollars.
You can. Your heirs can't. Not legally. Most likely.
The first part is nonsense. However, I fully agree that some people _should_ get in trouble for blasting their rubbish music in the car with windows open.
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ooohhh this is an interesting one! Nothing about it in the terms and conditions yet obviously Mr Willis has been told he cannot legally leave his music. Will be keeping an eye on this one as maybe Apple's legal team screwed the pooch on it?
Either way it's always fantastic when someone takes on the music biz and it's distribution channels cause we can all end up wining.
Either way it's always fantastic when someone takes on the music biz and it's distribution channels cause we can all end up wining.
Wrong. Mac OS X and apps are only licensed to you. You do not own the OS or apps.
I take it he also supports pirating......i mean "transferring" his movies such as Die Hard without future royalties to the studio/actors.
He bought one license. He cannot transfer it to his daughters. He can already transfer it to a daughter.
He bought one license. He cannot transfer it to his daughters. He can already transfer it to a daughter.
I think he is DAMNED wrong!
He can leave the CDs if he wants, just not the content on them. He never owned the music, he licensed it. I suspect he knew that when he purchased it.
I'm so sure
Like his daughters are going to want his collection of Skynyrd, Molly Hatchet, and Night Ranger.
Then, watch him totally freak when he realizes that would turn off the tap of royalties from his movies. Think it through, Brucie, think it through.
Like his daughters are going to want his collection of Skynyrd, Molly Hatchet, and Night Ranger.
Then, watch him totally freak when he realizes that would turn off the tap of royalties from his movies. Think it through, Brucie, think it through.
OK, thanks for the response. I did try other songs and could burn them, but these latest ones continue to pop up that error message.
Follow your own advice and think it through. I'd explain it to you but it's been done 30 times on this thread already, the whole point of the article is way, way over your head. So just go back to listening to your iTunes music and let the world take care of itself.