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Bruce Willis Considering Lawsuit Against Apple Over iTunes Store Music Transferability [Updated]
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True, what you BUY you BUY. But YOUR NOT BUYING ON iTUNES, YOU'RE RENTING.
What's so difficult to freakin' understand, duh!
Uninformed
iTunes music does not have DRM. Try to know what you're talking about, please.
iTunes music does not have DRM. Try to know what you're talking about, please.
Let's not go over the top. This is a contractual rights issue, not a criminal one. The RIAA can sue, but they can't have you arrested.
When I visit the iTunes store there is a clearly marked "$12.99 BUY ALBUM" button under any album I wish to "purchase".
It doesn't say "rent" or "borrow". Apple, for all the lawyering up they do, has it clear that you "BUY ALBUM".
Willis is right. I'm betting this little ploy was part of the deal Apple made with record companies. It's the little secret they don;t want anyone to notice or make noise about. Glad to see Willis, who can make this a very visible case, is bringing this up. It's akin to an estate tax.
It doesn't say "rent" or "borrow". Apple, for all the lawyering up they do, has it clear that you "BUY ALBUM".
Willis is right. I'm betting this little ploy was part of the deal Apple made with record companies. It's the little secret they don;t want anyone to notice or make noise about. Glad to see Willis, who can make this a very visible case, is bringing this up. It's akin to an estate tax.
Don't worry, they'll be the first to scream when
flips the switch. Reminds me of political loyalists.
A friend of mine died a couple of years ago and I still get Facebook friend request suggestions for his account. My dad died a few years ago and interactions with utility companies by phone still brings up his name and repeated reminders he is deceased results in no change. We sent copies of death certificates to insurance companies, real estate escrows, and a variety of other entities, which did finally recognize his death.
With Apple, one could simply fail to tell them the person is dead.
Steve's repeated public comment he felt people preferred to own music and not rent it makes a strong case for this lawsuit to result in a settlement to simply state as a policy outside of the TOS document, that the license is transferable to heirs.
The specific language to state it is a license is undoubtedly required by content owner contracts.
What it says and what it means as to this particular issue can easily be compatible and my understanding is the current language actually is.
Rocketman
With Apple, one could simply fail to tell them the person is dead.
Steve's repeated public comment he felt people preferred to own music and not rent it makes a strong case for this lawsuit to result in a settlement to simply state as a policy outside of the TOS document, that the license is transferable to heirs.
The specific language to state it is a license is undoubtedly required by content owner contracts.
What it says and what it means as to this particular issue can easily be compatible and my understanding is the current language actually is.
Rocketman
So you can be force fed nine filler tracks to get the one single that you really want to listen to?
I doubt giving your collection of CDs to your children is legal either. You're never buying music, you're just buying a license to play it. It usually says on the CD (or DVD or BluRay) that it's for personal use only and that public broadcast is prohibited. You can theoretically get in trouble for blasting it in your car with the windows open because that already counts as a public broadcast and you have no license for that.
I agree, but according to this article, Apple is not in charge of that.
Either way, I'd just give it to them anyway.
Die Hard 5: The Search for John McClane's iTunes Password
Best. Die. Hard. EVER!
;-)
Frederick 'Warlock' Kaludis and John McClane's daughter team up to break into Apple's secure data storage facility to retrieve John McClane's iTunes password.
Together they battle Apple's secret police unit to reach the depths of the hidden underground facility, where they find much more than John McClane's password... John McClane, trapped in Liquid Metal!
I'd buy this in the Framerate/NSFW Movie Draft... Just sayin'...
Best. Die. Hard. EVER!
;-)
Frederick 'Warlock' Kaludis and John McClane's daughter team up to break into Apple's secure data storage facility to retrieve John McClane's iTunes password.
Together they battle Apple's secret police unit to reach the depths of the hidden underground facility, where they find much more than John McClane's password... John McClane, trapped in Liquid Metal!
I'd buy this in the Framerate/NSFW Movie Draft... Just sayin'...
I stand corrected on that fine point. Either way, it's not buying that actaul file, you don't get to own it.
Oh I agree, I didn't miss the point, did I? In fact, I supported his move. Where did I state otherwise? If you mean the ways around it, that was a moot point for anyone who wanted to get around the copyright DRM. Also, the CD+RW tip that Jobs himself suggested is perfectly legal. It's a loophole. If you burn your music to a CD and rip it back into iTunes, it [legally] removed the DRM.
This is why I don't have a single iTunes music track or ebook even though my shelves are filled with books and CDs. I can hand a friend a book, I can't transfer them an ebook (at least not legally), so I'm just not interested in what they're selling.
That said, if Willis does go ahead with the lawsuit, I'll watch every Bruce Willis movie in theatres for the next 10 years.
That said, if Willis does go ahead with the lawsuit, I'll watch every Bruce Willis movie in theatres for the next 10 years
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Well, when I buy music, I want all of the songs on the album, especially if it's Pink Floyd
Also, the iTunes Store sells lossy-compressed music. C'mon, give us ALAC!
Godamn there are some thick people here....let me repeat.
ITUNES MUSIC IS NOT DRM PROTECTED!! PERIOD!
That said I see no reason why digital purchases can't be treated like other media? I know you technically "rent" movies and computer software even with physical supports, not sure about music.
Apple is guilty of many things but the real bad guys here are the record labels why can't folks see that???
Anyway here is another cartoon:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/music_industry
Oh I agree, I didn't miss the point, did I? In fact, I supported his move. Where did I state otherwise? If you mean the ways around it, that was a moot point for anyone who wanted to get around the copyright DRM. Also, the CD+RW tip that Jobs himself suggested is perfectly legal. It's a loophole. If you burn your music to a CD and rip it back into iTunes, it [legally] removed the DRM.
Forget the CD+RW trick. There is an app that actually makes it burn to a disk image or something then rips it off of THAT. No real CD required.
I have adult children. I own plenty of "classics" from my parents' era, and my kids own or enjoy plenty of classics from my youth. My tastes overlap 90% with my son's, who is a professional musician. It really depends on what kind of taste the parents had. if all they listened to was the contemporary pop fizz, than probably the kids won't like it. If the parents liked more stimulating, challenging, experimental or edgy music, there's a good chance the kids will value it.
