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The death of privacy will be bureaucrats regulating privacy.
And the only reason it will happen is because Apple didn't take the lead to appease them in the first place. Instead they will wait for a much worse solution to be forced upon them, and then act innocent while they blame regulators.
 
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Pleare rais a hand, who would not like interoperability? Who would not like to be able to move books, movies, apps, subscriptions, between devices and operating systems?
Everyone would like to. The question is whether anyone has a right to. Just because you would like something doesn't mean you are entitled to it...a fact that many people seem to have a hard time grasping these days.
 
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Pleare rais a hand, who would not like interoperability? Who would not like to be able to move books, movies, apps, subscriptions, between devices and operating systems?

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Consumers obviously didn't prefer what that "healthier" market was offering in terms of products.
The mobile phone industry turned into a fashion industry, which means people quickly jumps over to next cool trendy tech, whatever is it.

That’s the problem Apple will have to face in the future too, and that’s why they are working hard building a monopoly and gatekeeping customers in a way they can’t easely escape of their ecosystem.
Simply because they know that the next cool trendy thing is knocking on their door, it’s just a matter of time, and Apple VR/AR won’t save their asses.
 
And use what as a replacement? Nothing comes close to the quality of results.

Bing. DuckDuckGo. Other stuff (what even is there). It consistently shows me results that are not nearly as helpful as Google's. That'd a harm in user experience.

I know there's a tradeoff; it just doesn't bother me. For those it does bother, they can find out how to switch. My technologically illiterate dad cares about privacy and figured out how to change his search engine from Google.
Ecosia!!!!
Been using this since six month. I’m happy :)
 
I believe Symbian had around 45% to 50% of the global mobile OS market in 2009 (with several other players making up the rest) and I assume it was higher in Europe. However, dominating a market is not itself illegal. The legal issues come in if there are (alleged) antitrust/anticompetitive violations. Was Nokia doing anything "illegal" from an antitrust/anticompetitive perspective in 2009 to warrant a breakup of the company?

Nokia wasn't doing anything illegal. Apple and Google aren't doing anything illegal either.

If you did had a concern about market power though, Nokia was coordinating with nearly all of the major players at the time and had something like 70% of the smartphone market, and then as you say 40-50% of the non-smartphone OS. Far more than Apple. An their OS did not make a lick of difference when Apple and Google entered.

That's really the point. Apple and Google are in their positions because Nokia's OS lock-in didn't make a lick of difference when Apple and Google made better offerings. The product matters and all the EU is going to do is mess things up so we get crappier Chinese phones.
 
🤣 You’re definitely wrong my dear, the thing is, not everybody puts greediness above anything else.

Anyway, same goes to the medical sector.
Their patents expires, and it’s good that way, they should expire even quicker in my opinion.
Humanity well-being goes beyond personal interests and needs to be regulated and secured. The ones who does not agree can still stop inventing stuff to exploit government resources a.k.a. citizens.
Nobody is forcing them to sell stuff that way, exorbitant growth comes with additional market regulations and responsibilities, that’s what Apple is facing now, they have chosen that route. Stay small, healthy and carefree, being big is not always an advantage.
Personally I’m glad that there is a great profit motive for drug companies to develop cures and treatments. I had a condition that would have ruined the quality of the rest of my life if it wasn’t for a treatment developed by a drug company motivated by profit to develop a virtual cure for it. That greedy drug company did more for me than any well wisher I knew.
 
I mostly fear that they’ll tear down the wall and leave us with no options for a more protected place. Like that I would eventually be forced to have antivirus apps on my phone and research various app stores for basic apps (phone, messages, calculator etc) not cluttered with adds

Why do so many automatically dive headfirst into the doom and gloom worst case scenario? There is literally nothing to support that.
 
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🤣 You’re definitely wrong my dear, the thing is, not everybody puts greediness above anything else.

Anyway, same goes to the medical sector.
Their patents expires, and it’s good that way, they should expire even quicker in my opinion.
Humanity well-being goes beyond personal interests and needs to be regulated and secured. The ones who does not agree can still stop inventing stuff to exploit government resources a.k.a. citizens.
Nobody is forcing them to sell stuff that way, exorbitant growth comes with additional market regulations and responsibilities, that’s what Apple is facing now, they have chosen that route. Stay small, healthy and carefree, being big is not always an advantage.
‘My dear’?! So the other one is smarmy, and you’re patronising.

You do know, that in order to create a believable argument, in order to enable people to fall in line with what you say, trust you and actually respect the point you’re making, being patronising or smarmy or whatever else does the opposite. It just embarrasses you, and solidifies my points and thoughts regarding your posts.
 
Governments around the world don’t care about your privacy. The only the thing they want is control over their people. Especially in the west. Apple became a very successful company by innovating and creating awesome technologies. This is basically governments cracking down on successful enterprises which subsequently stifle innovation but the real goal here is a clear attack on the private citizens right to privacy.

No one is really locked into the walled garden. You can sell your tech and buy another brand. No biggie. Anyway, I’d rather trust a company like Apple than let’s say the European autocrats who literally no one voted for. Lol.
Comment of the month. I call for it to be a sticky.
 
"...amid concerns about how the company may "exaggerate" its privacy and security claims for commercial gain and curtail interoperability to keep users locked into a "walled garden.""

Going after Apple for trying to keep (lock) their customers is BS. And its not even a "walled garden" as they say. I switch back and forth all the time with no issues. Coming up with special features/hardware/software to keep customers is the smart thing to do. What is Google and Apple suppose to offer the exact same things ? These governments just want control and money. Pathetic.
 
The internet might work the same, but millions of Apple's customers would stick with whatever default Apple sets on iOS.
I believe millions would switch due to the superior results returned by google.
You'd think Apple's big talk on privacy would push them to offer DuckDuckGo as the default,
DDG is okay but google offers a better experience, imo.
but as usual Apple applies their claimed virtues only when doing so isn't at odds with whatever choice makes them the most money.
Not only is the user experience with google better, but apple can make money as well.
 
but are new to the smart phone/phone market.
Not many People would consider having 20 years of Experience “new” in any stretch. They probably were back then, but certainly not new anymore now. If anything, Google was slightly younger but that’s hardly relevant.
 
It’s a cell phone with added functionality. It’s not a new product like the difference between a horse and a car.
A smartphone's ability to function as a cellphone (calls and texts) is at very best 33% of what the product can do. It functions as a cellphone, a GPS, a mobile media player, a gaming system, a computer, and probably several other things I'm forgetting. If you still fail to understand what's being said, replace above mentions of "cellphone" with "feature phone" and maybe you'll get it. Feature phones were a mature market that smartphones killed off when they themselves matured.

I don’t need to try again, and you don’t need to be so smarmy. You can just have a proper conversation, and you could, quite easily, see where I am coming from without agreeing with me, as I have done for you. But you won’t, because your agenda won’t allow you such compromises. Apple bad, regardless.
Sure, or you could just acknowledge the truth behind what's been said rather than defaulting to "Apple can do no wrong."
 
Nokia wasn't doing anything illegal. Apple and Google aren't doing anything illegal either.

If you did had a concern about market power though, Nokia was coordinating with nearly all of the major players at the time and had something like 70% of the smartphone market, and then as you say 40-50% of the non-smartphone OS. Far more than Apple. An their OS did not make a lick of difference when Apple and Google entered.

That's really the point. Apple and Google are in their positions because Nokia's OS lock-in didn't make a lick of difference when Apple and Google made better offerings. The product matters and all the EU is going to do is mess things up so we get crappier Chinese phones.
In the US, before 2007, I think the average mobile app cost $40 and you lost it if you switched carriers.
 
A viable competitor against Apple and Google in the smartphone field would be great. Lower prices, better features, and less lock-in. I'd probably still stick with Apple, but we'd all benefit.
It's far past time for a successful Linux open source phone to hit the streets. There have been some efforts like the Pine, but no real market penetration strategy as a counter to the spy phone market.
 
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I believe millions would switch due to the superior results returned by google.

DDG is okay but google offers a better experience, imo.

Not only is the user experience with google better, but apple can make money as well.
The way Apple would have everyone view it is that they place user privacy above all else, as exemplified by turning the Apple logo into a lock in their marketing material. Also, it's interesting that it's apparently alright to sacrifice privacy for specific reasons deemed acceptable by Apple. I'm sure it's only coincidence that major $$$ is involved in this specific instance. /s
 
Why do so many automatically dive headfirst into the doom and gloom worst case scenario? There is literally nothing to support that.
It's nearly guaranteed that many apps would immediately pull out of the App Store and go direct to consumer, and do who knows what else to their apps in the process. Which ones remain to be seen.
 
Could Apple restrict the use of their APIs and SDK to apps that are distributed on the App Store?
 
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