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Except, you are at odds with your last sentence. Apple has to oblige to local laws. If a local government made a law similar to the way the Chinese gov operates, then Apple would need to oblige, legally. So in actuality, in this case, government overreach is the true death of privacy.

Well, I took that statement as Apple being the champion of privacy while western regulators are not.

Yet Apple was quick to release users data ... abandon privacy .... to a government and invest in such a market to maintain the App Store modus operandi ... which actually the topic being regulated.

As much as Apple would like this topic to be about Privacy actually is not. In that respect it lost all credibility already if not for the uninformed.
 
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Hardware yes, but how about data? Are all of your data transferable between android and iOS without any Issue, contacting customer support etc? I doubt it. Also, it is going to be hard if someone buys more of Apple stuff and they (mostly) “just works”.

No one really locked in, until they are.
Samsung provide "Smart Switch" in order to sync your iCloud data, Apple have a migration tool. Other manufactures might have something similar - thats on them.

The only issue is data between iOS/Android specific subscriptions, and thats down to the software providers. But there was always the issue that you'd need to buy Mac or PC specific Applications anyhow and some stuff just isn't portable.



"Here's what gets transferred: contacts, message history, camera photos and videos, photo albums, files and folders, accessibility settings, display settings, web bookmarks, mail accounts, and calendars. If they're available on both Google Play and the App Store, some of your free apps will also transfer. After the transfer completes, you can download any free apps that were matched from the App Store."
 
It was in a later comment to a different user:


Feel free to explain why you give Apple a pass on that one as well if you'd like.


Regardless of whether or not they're both "phones," it doesn't change the fact that in the mid-2000's, feature phones were a mature product category and smartphones were a product category still in it's infancy. It also doesn't change the fact that smartphones killed off feature phones.
Smartphones didn’t ‘kill off’ feature phones. They’re just a progression from the original cell phone. There will be more progressions in this field, but it doesn’t make them inherently different, as a horse is to a car, and the life changing things that did to the world.

If I ask Siri to search, it uses my default search engine which is a self hosted searx instance that I run. Admittedly- I use an extension which enables that, and also enables a bypass to apple’s ridiculously limited ability to add your own search engine to safari, I’m not sure how Apple deals with it natively. There are issues here, but it’s not as clear cut as you make out.

You specifically stated that Apple are hypocrites for taking money from Google to have Google as the default search engine, implying safari. I was calling this out, as there is no obligation to use Google as the default search engine in safari. Moving the goalposts to include Siri at the last minute doesn’t change this fact.

If there was a option upon opening safari for the first time to choose your own default, it would likely be a better option. I doubt a great deal of people would deviate from Google, but I agree that’s a good path to go. You didn’t say that though. You said it should be DuckDuckGo as the default instead. But doesn’t that just defer the issue? As I said before, my Nan wouldn’t know what was going on if it wasn’t Google.
 
Is that couple of years really affect the validity of my claims or change the fact that Apple is no stranger in smartphone industry by now? Even if it is technically not 20 years (it would be 2027). The gist here is no one would say Apple dont know how to build smartphones, same for Google. And those 15 years of experience is hard for a newcomer to catch up.
Actually it is a valid claim and yes someone could. Last I checked Blackberry was around 15 + years and no one thought they could be undone... and yet Apple came along and then Google. Also, how long were the other phone manufactures around that dominated the mobile market? So yes, 15 years does actually make your point more so there seems to be a president for another company to come along and dethrone someone. I guess no one should try then huh. I mean computers, cars, heck you name it... I mean Tesla has disrupted the entire vehicle and vehicle purchasing industry in just under a few years.
 
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An iPhone IS a phone.
Technically yes.
Practically no.

The dominant feature and main use of "dumbphones" was making calls and texting SMS.
Whereas for Smartphones it's using non-phone applications, most of which are provided by third parties and/or use the internet.

In other words: Smartphones like the iPhone are portable handheld computers and internet communication devices.
While earlier phones were ...phones and texting devices (some of them could even use the internet through WAP and etc. but hardly anyone did that.

Smartphones didn’t ‘kill off’ feature phones. They’re just a progression from the original cell phone
About as much as the car is the progression from horses.

Horses drew carriages. Then someone thought of an alternative to their carrying power. And eventually put the engine inside the car, rather in front of it.
 
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Well, I took that statement as Apple being the champion of privacy while western regulator are not.

Yet Apple was quick to release users data ... abandon privacy .... to a government and invest in such a market to maintain the App Store modus operandi ... which actually the topic being regulated.

As much as Apple would like this topic to be about Privacy actually is not. In that respect it lost all credibility already if not for the uninformed.
They have no choice other than move from the market. But that’s not a viable option for a company trying to make money. And besides, do they just move out of every market that regulates them? The U.K.? The whole eu? The us? No of course not. They’re trying to make a reasonable stand against privacy, and they have largely succeeded- but if that’s regulated out of existence it’s hardly their fault or something they can do much about. They’re certainly not going to hang themselves. Perhaps they should, but it’s obvious they wouldn’t. Rarely would a company do such a thing.
 
Right so we're back to sacrificing privacy on things that make Apple $$$. Also, how does this comport with Siri using Google for web searches, even with a different browser selected as the default for Safari?
Not sacrificing anything. Or put it another way, we disagree. Why would Siri make a difference, please explain and be precise.
 
Technically yes.
Practically no.

The dominant feature and main use of "dumbphones" was making calls and texting SMS.
Whereas for Smartphones it's using non-phone applications, most of which are provided by third parties and/or use the internet.

In other words: Smartphones like the iPhone are portable handheld computers and internet communication devices.
While earlier phones were ...phones and texting devices (some of them could even use the internet through WAP and etc. but hardly anyone did that.


About as much as the car is the progression from horses.

Horses drew carriages. Then someone thought of an alternative to their carrying power. And eventually put the engine inside the car, rather in front of it.
Again. A horse is an animal we trained to carry us places. A car is an invention to completely replace the horse and revolutionise the entire world.

A cell phone is something that was invented to enable mobile communications, starting with calls, developing into sms, mutating in to a feature phone, further mutating in to a smart phone. Etc.

These are two clearly different progressions.
 
What you mean is, as long as Apple says that's what they're doing, you're ok with it. Because you have no way of holding the accountable to their claims.
Correct, I take them at their face value. But taken another way, nobody, anywhere can be trusted. Correct? With apple I think it will be be one black eye if they are lying.
 
Smartphones didn’t ‘kill off’ feature phones. They’re just a progression from the original cell phone. There will be more progressions in this field, but it doesn’t make them inherently different, as a horse is to a car, and the life changing things that did to the world.
Do folks generally carry both a feature phone and a smartphone? No? Then smartphones killed off feature phones, as well as other products like standalone GPSs because the pocket computers that smartphones are, implemented those functions.

If I ask Siri to search, it uses my default search engine which is a self hosted searx instance that I run. Admittedly- I use an extension which enables that, and also enables a bypass to apple’s ridiculously limited ability to add your own search engine to safari, I’m not sure how Apple deals with it natively. There are issues here, but it’s not as clear cut as you make out.
Oh, so to get around the fact that Apple isn't concerned about your privacy here, you implemented a custom solution that 99.99% of the population will not do. Certainly you realize this is a terrible way to argue Apple puts customer privacy over $$$?

You specifically stated that Apple are hypocrites for taking money from Google to have Google as the default search engine, implying safari. I was calling this out, as there is no obligation to use Google as the default search engine in safari. Moving the goalposts to include Siri at the last minute doesn’t change this fact.
Moving the goal posts would necessitate me changing the condition which would render Apple hypocrites. That's not the case. I still maintain Apple is hypocritical for using Google as the search engine default. My position has not changed here. I simply point to Siri as yet another even more egregious way in which Apple is being hypocritical on this subject. The fact that you can't change the default for Siri from Goggle is even further at odds with Apple's claims of care and concern over user privacy.

If there was a option upon opening safari for the first time to choose your own default, it would likely be a better option. I doubt a great deal of people would deviate from Google, but I agree that’s a good path to go. You didn’t say that though. You said it should be DuckDuckGo as the default instead. But doesn’t that just defer the issue? As I said before, my Nan wouldn’t know what was going on if it wasn’t Google.
I said DuckDuckGo simply because it's one of the current options that's focused on privacy. You're correct, it doesn't have to be DuckDuckGo. Apple could even put their money where their mouth is and create their own privacy-focused search engine.
 
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Correct, I take them at their face value. But taken another way, nobody, anywhere can be trusted. Correct? With apple I think it will be be one black eye if they are lying.
The sooner you learn that, the better off you'll be.
 
Not sacrificing anything. Or put it another way, we disagree. Why would Siri make a difference, please explain and be precise.
Using Google doesn't sacrifice any privacy versus other options like DuckDuckGo? You sure about that?

If you use Siri to perform a search by voice rather than by typing in Safari, it uses Google who is known to lack the privacy offered by other search providers, rather than using the provider you've selected in your settings for Safari. Is that precise enough for you?
 
What you mean is, as long as Apple says that's what they're doing, you're ok with it. Because you have no way of holding the accountable to their claims.
No way? How about NOT buying their products! That's the best way to hold them accountable.
 
Actually it is a valid claim and yes someone could. Last I checked Blackberry was around 15 + years and no one thought they could be undone... and yet Apple came along and then Google. Also, how long were the other phone manufactures around that dominated the mobile market? So yes, 15 years does actually make your point more so there seems to be a president for another company to come along and dethrone someone. I guess no one should try then huh. I mean computers, cars, heck you name it... I mean Tesla has disrupted the entire vehicle and vehicle purchasing industry in just under a few years.
While Tesla does Seem to bring much disruption to the general auto industry, that’s largely because of the EV concept and the whole “greener planet” ordeal. Despite that, Tesla doesn't magically take away over 80% of auto marketshare just because of a couple of EV, highlighting how difficult it is to dominate a market nowadays. Besides, other traditional manufactures also follow the trend and build their own EV, meaning the “advantage” Tesla could bring on the table isn’t as big as it would perceive.

All in all, while it is possible for “newcomers” to disrupt, it is getting harder and harder, especially when those established players keep moving forward, meaning unless there’s some truly groundbreaking advancement, “disruption“ is unlikely to happen. Also, Tesla was found back in 2003, a period where things just happen and world was sort of in a transitional state. Not quite the same nowadays.
 
Using Google doesn't sacrifice any privacy versus other options like DuckDuckGo? You sure about that?

If you use Siri to perform a search by voice rather than by typing in Safari, it uses Google who is known to lack the privacy offered by other search providers, rather than using the provider you've selected in your settings for Safari. Is that precise enough for you?
Siri strips away metadata, private relay (if you sub for it) completely anonymises it.

Anyway. I have just tested this by disabling my extension. Siri uses whatever search engine your default in safari is. So if I use ddg, then search with Siri, the results appear in ddg.

Edit: vocally asking Siri to search does search google though, in all circumstances
 
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The EU always think they are doing the right thing, but then they mess things up. Take cookie control for example.

I like the walled-garden. It’s safer in here.
 
Then what, pray tell, is the way to get there, if not through regulation?
Ironically apple was laughed out of the room for even making a phone. Computers are another place they were doomed, did I mention tablets? Just as Apple succeeded others can if they would focus on designing products for the customers instead of copying who ever they think will succeed and trying to beat them at what they are already doing.
 
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The EU always think they are doing the right thing, but then they mess things up. Take cookie control for example.

I like the walled-garden. It’s safer in here.
Cookie control is annoying. But without it, there is no control. So it’s become a little less convenient, but a lot more transparent. Now you can choose to not accept what you don’t want to accept, or avoid a site that won’t let you choose.
 
Yet, government-less society has its own problems once the population reaches a critical mass. Getting rid of them doesn’t magically solve all the problems. Reagan can say all he likes, that’s just not how world works.
Guess you missed the key part about limited government (not no government). And it was working just fine for the US as a constitutionally limited republic.
 
Siri strips away metadata, private relay (if you sub for it) completely anonymises it.

Anyway. I have just tested this by disabling my extension. Siri uses whatever search engine your default in safari is. So if I use ddg, then search with Siri, the results appear in ddg.

Edit: vocally asking Siri to search does search google though, in all circumstances
Yes, this is exactly what I'm saying. While you can specifically ask Siri each and every time to search DuckDuckGo or some other search engine, if you use a generic phrase like "look up..." or "search the internet for..." or "search the web for..." or you ask her for something and she responds with the dreaded yet predictable, "I found this on the web for...", she will use Google as the search engine.
 
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Well, I took that statement as Apple being the champion of privacy while western regulator are not.

Yet Apple was quick to release users data ... abandon privacy .... to a government and invest in such a market to maintain the App Store modus operandi ... which actually the topic being regulated.

As much as Apple would like this topic to be about Privacy actually is not. In that respect it lost all credibility already if not for the uninformed.
This is a great way to put it even though I do not agree that regulators should meddle here.
 
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