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Burger King's new monster sandwich

mcadam said:
Arguments like this appear to be an American speciality and allways strike me with great wonder. On one hand you're supposed to be living in a country based on (individual) freedom.
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Where did you get this idea? Are we free to choose? Yes, we have many choices we can make as American citizens everyday. We can choose to buy and cook healthy food, if we want. That is, if we have the money (healthy food is by no means economically competitive with fast-food crap in this country) and, as I said earlier, the time. Unfortunately, people have to work. Why? Oh, because the price of real estate is almost always rising, as is the cost of living, while the real income for most Americans is decreasing. And let's not mention the tentative plan to privatize our social security.

As for food quality: fat and caloric content are'n't the only concerns about eating fast food, sure. Your point?

That, along with everything I mentioned before, tends to make it difficult for people to have those square meals everyday. Especially for people with families to provide for (needed income for survival goes up, free time goes down).

And I don't really see why this can be considered healthy just because it's veggie - It's still served in crap bread and with lots of mayo...
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Thank you for illustrating my point.

So, yeah, you're not wrong to say that we have choices, if you like making gross over-simplifications. I'm not villifying fast food restaurants or taking the blame for you not eating healthy off of anyone but you, but there are many more factors at play here than you seem to believe. Eating fast food and eating a healthy meal are far from equally convenient. And when you look at what many people have to do in this country in order to build a better/more economically secure life (A.K.A. working 50 hours a week), it isn't all the individual's fault. It may not be anyone's fault, but something has to change.

As for the innumerable choices you seem to think we Americans pride ourselves on--sometimes it's the lady or the tiger.
 
DavidLeblond said:
Hmmph lightweights.
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that is totally unreal

we have a bbq place in town called aj spurs which dishes out about the same amount of calories in an appetizer, salad, drink, main meal, and dessert for a similar big price

it's ok once or twice a year, but eating that type of meal every week would take 20 years off of one's life...last time i checked, nobody has the genes to accomodate for that type of fat and cholesterol

...unless you are the conan the governator of collifornia or anna nicole smith :)
 
These are choices that people make. Nobody is forcing people to buy these. Some people will buy them because they like it, just like others buy beer and wine to drink.

I'd try one. Its less than 1/3 my daily calorie limit, and since breakfast is one of 3 meals I eat each day, I don't mind. It actually looks good. :)
 
Burger King has the wright to make the new breakfast sandwich. I just hope that consumers are now more enlightened. If no one buys the sandwich, then it will soon be withdrawn. Look like to me that it would be more than enough for two to eat. The problem still would be its lack o healthy nutrition.
 
Kind of surprised they didn't top it off with ranch dressing. It seems ranch dressing is everywhere these days. People put it on their fries, ladel it over steaks, dip their pizza crusts in it...

The shameless gluttony is unreal. "Just pound one," "It's late eat more," and my all-time favorite "I'm lovin' it."

BK will sell a ton of these.
 
apple2991 said:
Where did you get this idea? Are we free to choose? Yes, we have many choices we can make as American citizens everyday. We can choose to buy and cook healthy food, if we want. That is, if we have the money (healthy food is by no means economically competitive with fast-food crap in this country) and, as I said earlier, the time. Unfortunately, people have to work. Why? Oh, because the price of real estate is almost always rising, as is the cost of living, while the real income for most Americans is decreasing. And let's not mention the tentative plan to privatize our social security.
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You ask where I got the idea that America is a country based on indiviual freedom, hmmm.... maybe it was something I heard... from your president, or was it his predesessor or the one before that ... or perhaps I read it somewhere...like, mmm, in your constitution (did I just mention a the constitution in a thread about Burger Kings new breakfast sandwich, wooops...he he).
You are absolutely right that the actual freedom of choice is limited by many factors, like ones real income, genetic heritage, upbringing, advertisements, etc... but I don't think anyones freedom of choice is really expanded if Burger King put a low fat burger on the menu.
It's treating the symptoms instead of the decease.

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mcadam said:
You ask where I got the idea that America is a country based on indiviual freedom, hmmm.... maybe it was something I heard... from your president, or was it his predesessor or the one before that ... or perhaps I read it somewhere...like, mmm, in your constitution (did I just mention a the constitution in a thread about Burger Kings new breakfast sandwich, wooops...he he).
You are absolutely right that the actual freedom of choice is limited by many factors, like ones real income, genetic heritage, upbringing, advertisements, etc...
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Yeah, I heard our President say that, too. Then I read the Patriot Act. America is all about perceived freedom. That isn't to say it isn't a wonderful country, and that I do enjoy many American freedoms everyday, but people take the whole pretense of "freedom" way too far. Even to the extent of the school-child attitude of "it's a free country, I can do what I want!"

but I don't think anyones freedom of choice is really expanded if Burger King put a low fat burger on the menu.
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Actually, that's exactly what it means. It WOULD give people a choice. I am not saying Burger King is arbitrarily obligated to provide that option, but, if they did, it would mean greater choice. If one could get a tasty, healthy meal for similar cost/convenience as disgusting lard meals, I am curious to see how that would effect many consumers' choices.

It's treating the symptoms instead of the decease.
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I call foul on your analogy. Calling it a disease makes it sound like there is some intrinsic flaw or culprit causing this lack of healthy eating in America, when in fact, it is a combination of so many factors and facets of American life that it would be impossible to pinpoint one, or even 10, as the "main" reasons. Treating the "symptoms" may be the only way.
 
apple2991 said:
Yeah, I heard our President say that, too. Then I read the Patriot Act. America is all about perceived freedom. That isn't to say it isn't a wonderful country, and that I do enjoy many American freedoms everyday, but people take the whole pretense of "freedom" way too far. Even to the extent of the school-child attitude of "it's a free country, I can do what I want!"
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I agree.

Actually, that's exactly what it means. It WOULD give people a choice. I am not saying Burger King is arbitrarily obligated to provide that option, but, if they did, it would mean greater choice. If one could get a tasty, healthy meal for similar cost/convenience as disgusting lard meals, I am curious to see how that would effect many consumers' choices.
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Yes, you're right, it would literally mean 1 more option to choose from. What I mean is that it is a completely insignificant one. Proper freedom of choice would happen when people had more time/money/were smarter/etc.
I think the effect of a "healthy" burger option would be that people would choose it every now and then and feel relived from their "sins" doing so. And it would possibly brighten Burger Kings image a bit too.


I call foul on your analogy. Calling it a disease makes it sound like there is some intrinsic flaw or culprit causing this lack of healthy eating in America, when in fact, it is a combination of so many factors and facets of American life that it would be impossible to pinpoint one, or even 10, as the "main" reasons. Treating the "symptoms" may be the only way.
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You are contradicting yourself here.

And it will never work in the long run to just treat symptoms, because they will never go away unless you get to the root of the problem.

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It looks good to me. But I only eat twice a day. Luckily I have amazing metabolism.

I ate fast food 10 times a week for a year and didn't gain a pound. However, when I turned 21 I drank about a case a week for three months and put on 10 pounds.

I've stopped drinking beer all the time and the weight has fallen right off.

If you don't agree with this sandwich, don't buy one. Plain and simple. Oh, try the new chicken bacon chedder ranch. It's tasty as can be. Unhealthy, yes, but that's my concern.
 
you have two options in life.

take care of yourself, or don't.

people will sell you anything that you will pay for, if you don't buy it, they won't sell it...stop blaming fast food chains and start blaming your own fat asses.
 
mcadam said:
Yes, you're right, it would literally mean 1 more option to choose from. What I mean is that it is a completely insignificant one. Proper freedom of choice would happen when people had more time/money/were smarter/etc.
I think the effect of a "healthy" burger option would be that people would choose it every now and then and feel relived from their "sins" doing so. And it would possibly brighten Burger Kings image a bit too.
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Yeah, and the Mac was just one more computer to choose from. Like I said, good luck trying to get people more money/time/intelligence. Remind me how you plan on going about that, again. And, supposing that you are wrong (which you very well may or may not be) about BK offering more healthy sandwiches, you think it would be "one choice"? It would mean fast-food chains all around America trying to compete, an all-around sea change for the industry.

You are contradicting yourself here.

And it will never work in the long run to just treat symptoms, because they will never go away unless you get to the root of the problem.
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Um, care to elaborate on how? I already called foul on that analogy, so stop using it or show me how I'm wrong to disagree with it.
 
jsw said:
I'm guessing "bulemic" is more apt than "fat cow". Not sure how, otherwise, a 100-lb person could eat 11 pounds of food in under 3 hours.
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http://www.ifoce.com/eaters.php?action=detail&sn=20

Check out her "resume". 105lbs too.

  • Hamburger: Giant Barrick Burger: 9 pound cheeseburger/ Plaza Hotel Casino / 48 minutes, 10 seconds/ Jan. 22, 2005
  • Hamburgers: 7 Burgers (3/4 pound) "Thickburgers" / 10 minutes
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maya said:
I get the feeling some "wise guy" or company for that matter will one day server up a full bovine in-between a bun. :rolleyes:
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depending on which version of our origin you believe in, man 6000 years ago, or hundreds of thousands of years ago, first started moving from being a mostly fruit and vegetable eater to an all around eater which would include hunting and eating meat

and being that there were not meat markets on every corner or every town, our makeup is basically to cram all the meat we can down our throats since we didn't know the next time we would catch a game animal

we may have more convenient ways to attain meat these days, but our bodies are still like ancient times and that inner, ravenous meat eater in us gravitates towards the fast food which is actually killing us

i don't think burger king, or whoever, will have any problem selling a mega hamburger or "happy" meal
 
apple2991 said:
Where did you get this idea? Are we free to choose? Yes, we have many choices we can make as American citizens everyday. We can choose to buy and cook healthy food, if we want. That is, if we have the money (healthy food is by no means economically competitive with fast-food crap in this country) and, as I said earlier, the time. Unfortunately, people have to work. Why? Oh, because the price of real estate is almost always rising, as is the cost of living, while the real income for most Americans is decreasing. And let's not mention the tentative plan to privatize our social security .... there are many more factors at play here than you seem to believe.

It may not be anyone's fault, but something has to change.
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right on, dude! lemme guess; you read Adbusters!!! heroic diatribe. no, i mean that. i enjoyed the heck out of it.

but, do tell: what exactly has to change, and more significantly, how? please emerge from your reverberant cavern of abstractions and provide a little real-world footing to your advocacy. lead the charge, baby!!!

wdlove said:
Burger King has the wright to make the new breakfast sandwich. The problem still would be its lack o healthy nutrition.
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"the wright"? brother, can you spare an airplane?

there's no nutrition in "fast-food". they were right (er, "wright", perhaps?) the first time, when they used to call it "junk food". nothing's changed except for the upsizing of the portions and the american arse to match.

"wright on brothas and sistas!"

Inspector Lee said:
The shameless gluttony is unreal. "Just pound one," "It's late eat more," and my all-time favorite "I'm lovin' it."
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i think this new crop (crap?) of uber-burgers calls for a new slogan:

"blecch"

mcadam said:
It's treating the symptoms instead of the decease.
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that's the funniest, best-contextualized thing i've read all month!!! i hope you did that on purpose, but with the way people write (uhh, "wright"?) on this forum, one can never be certain...

you made my day, mcadam!

apple2991 said:
Actually, that's exactly what it means. It WOULD give people a choice. I am not saying Burger King is arbitrarily obligated to provide that option, but, if they did, it would mean greater choice. If one could get a tasty, healthy meal for similar cost/convenience as disgusting lard meals, I am curious to see how that would effect many consumers' choices.
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dude, when did it become the burger king corporation's obligation to enforce the constitutional imperatives of the US government? i'm not talking 14th amendment stuff here, so don't take it there. to whom does BK owe the obligation to provide a choice? i think you'd agree that consumers is the answer to that question. then, who should enforce their obligation to provide consumers choices on the BK menu, the government? if that's your answer, as i fear it is given the flavor of your argument, then let me provide a hint at how to get broader acceptance for your point of view:

say you're doing it for the children.

BrianKonarsMac said:
you have two options in life.

take care of yourself, or don't.

people will sell you anything that you will pay for, if you don't buy it, they won't sell it...stop blaming fast food chains and start blaming your own fat asses.
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i just wanted to see that sentiment that well expressed up here once more. right said fred.
 
iindigo said:
Well I don't mind burger joints getting a little more healthy, but I don't want them to go all, "OMG ITS A CALORIE EVERYONE FREEZE!!!", or "FAT, COME OUT - WE'VE GOT THE ENTIRE PLACE SURROUNDED". I tend to like my burgers just the way they are...
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Not as bad as carb counting. Dare you to go into a health food store and yell

OH MY GOD LOOK AT THE CARB COUNT!!!

Watch everyone dive under the nearest counter/table.

That being said being the fat bastard that I am I still like eating out from time to time at a grease joint. I'm really enjoying Wendy’s Frescata deli-style sandwiches and their change over to a choice of side instead of the evil that is fries. A nice baked potato with one of those sandwiches is really good and there isn't anything deep fried there.

On a side note is anyone getting really freaking out by BK's ads? Seriously the guy in the King mask is just....Its like Jason but with a Burger King twist. :eek: Then there is the whole country song ad about some sandwich. I forget which one. All I know is I haven't see that much cleavage since last years swimsuit issue. Honestly could they be anymore obvious about selling their product with sex or more accurately breasts. :rolleyes:
 
apple2991 said:
Um, care to elaborate on how? I already called foul on that analogy, so stop using it or show me how I'm wrong to disagree with it.
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OK

How you contradict yourself:
I call foul on your analogy. Calling it a disease makes it sound like there is some intrinsic flaw or culprit causing this lack of healthy eating in America, when in fact...
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First you say it's wrong to claim junk food being an intrinsic part of America (which was not what I meant either).

...when in fact, it is a combination of so many factors and facets of American life that it would be impossible to pinpoint one, or even 10, as the "main" reasons. Treating the "symptoms" may be the only way.
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Then you claim that the causes is actually so deeply interwoven in American life, that the problem can probably never be undone and are in effect intrinsic, and there - a selfcontradiction!

And one last attempt to explain you my analogy and why I think you are wrong to disagree... Trying to deal with a problem the way you advocate is just scratching the surface, without ever breaking through to the good stuff inside. It's a thin layer of paint to cover a rusty wreck. You have talked a lot about the problem's complex causal relationships, but you only think of a very simple solution.
I believe the public have plenty of choices like that allready, they can go to Burger King, McDonalds, Tacobell, KFC, etc, etc... and they all have around 40 things to choose from including a few "healthy" choices allready.


vixapphire said:
that's the funniest, best-contextualized thing i've read all month!!! i hope you did that on purpose, but with the way people write (uhh, "wright"?) on this forum, one can never be certain...

you made my day, mcadam!
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I'm always happy to make someones day. And as much as I'd like to claim that I just did it to build extra satirical layers into my post, I have to admit it wasn't exactly so. The field of English spelling is a most difficult area to move in.

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I just wonder when Americans will drive up to the fast food window, stick their ass out the window, and have lard injected directly into it.
 
mac-er said:
I just wonder when Americans will drive up to the fast food window, stick their ass out the window, and have lard injected directly into it.
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As soon as somebody gives them that one more option to choose from lol

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