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Of course it has the oomph. Apple usually always artificially restricts at least a couple of features to the latest phone.

No, with this one I'd figure that the image processor in the iPhone 5 probably can't handle what the A7's image processor does.
 
I'm shocked at how confident people in these forums sound when they say stupid things with no basis at all. Oh yes, you all have "burst mode", even your iPhone 4... Yes, just because you can hold down and it will shoot pictures, totally burst mode.
 
I'm shocked at how confident people in these forums sound when they say stupid things with no basis at all. Oh yes, you all have "burst mode", even your iPhone 4... Yes, just because you can hold down and it will shoot pictures, totally burst mode.
That is a brand new feature and it is a burst mode in a basic general definition of it, it's just not a the burst mode that iPhone 5S has or even other phones have.
 
Even my iPad 2 has "burst mode," even though it is left out of airdrop and the blur effect. Does anyone have an iphone 4 they can see if this works on?

Your iPad 2 does not have burst mode in the way Apple are marketing it. Only the iPhone 5s does at the moment.

And it's not possible for AirDrop to work on the iPad 2 due to the wifi chip.
 
I also argued the difference here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1633668/

Everyone else was happy with the 'lite' feature as it exists in non-5S devices. But me, if I need to take lots of photos like that I can take them twice as fast tapping manually, so meh.

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Sadly, not true on iPhone 5. Holding = up to 3 per second. Tapping = up to 7 per second (YMMV)

I noticed this as well. Tapping manually is (was?) much faster.
The so-called "burst" mode is actually slow-as-syrup mode on my iPhone 5.
The problem is, if I try tapping quickly now (on GM) I get a loading/throbber icon instead.
How can I prevent that from happening?
 
I noticed this as well. Tapping manually is (was?) much faster.
The so-called "burst" mode is actually slow-as-syrup mode on my iPhone 5.
The problem is, if I try tapping quickly now (on GM) I get a loading/throbber icon instead.
How can I prevent that from happening?

That's odd, I have no problem tapping quickly on GM, not seen this loading/throbber icon? Could you post a pic?
 
Reason for this, being the A7 chip is what handles those algorithms and heavy lifting. A6 likely doesn't have the oomph.

No, it's because otherwise all the 5S would have over the 5/5C is a fingerprint sensor. Sharpness detection doesn't require as much processing power as you think. The iPhone 3GS could pull it off in half a second.

Burst mode needs even less processing power. My HTC One does something like 35-40 pictures per second. So the 5/5S's limits are purely artificial in nature.
 
No, it's because otherwise all the 5S would have over the 5/5C is a fingerprint sensor. Sharpness detection doesn't require as much processing power as you think. The iPhone 3GS could pull it off in half a second.

Burst mode needs even less processing power. My HTC One does something like 35-40 pictures per second. So the 5/5S's limits are purely artificial in nature.

I'm not talking about JUST the burst....

Its already been confirmed that the 5 does burst mode in the iOS 7 GM. I'm referring to all the algorithms and stuff the processor does behind the scenes to give you the best picture and chooses the photos that show movement, action etc...

But your probably right. Apple is just being greedy and holding back features because that makes perfect sense.... the 2x increase in power is simply superficial. No reason for it at all. /s
 
I'm not talking about JUST the burst....

Its already been confirmed that the 5 does burst mode in the iOS 7 GM. I'm referring to all the algorithms and stuff the processor does behind the scenes to give you the best picture and chooses the photos that show movement, action etc...

But your probably right. Apple is just being greedy and holding back features because that makes perfect sense.... the 2x increase in power is simply superficial. No reason for it at all. /s

Come on... of course Apple could have allowed the 5 to do the extra computational stuff of picking out a photo. And it might have been twice as slow. Compared to what? Fractions of a second.

the 5S marketing focus is 1) touch id 2) improved camera

they had to restrict most of the camera software improvements to 5S else 2 wouldn't consist of much.

they already have to say things like "a dual LED flash on a smartphone is ahead of its time". this is pretty much verbatim from their site.

honestly! my htc hd2 had that in late 2009/early 2010.
 
Come on... of course Apple could have allowed the 5 to do the extra computational stuff of picking out a photo. And it might have been twice as slow. Compared to what? Fractions of a second.

the 5S marketing focus is 1) touch id 2) improved camera

they had to restrict most of the camera software improvements to 5S else 2 wouldn't consist of much.

they already have to say things like "a dual LED flash on a smartphone is ahead of its time". this is pretty much verbatim from their site.

honestly! my htc hd2 had that in late 2009/early 2010.

Shh, you're not allowed to talk against Apple here. They do no evil whatsoever. Either you get your nose nice and moist brown or you get banned.
 
they already have to say things like "a dual LED flash on a smartphone is ahead of its time". this is pretty much verbatim from their site.

honestly! my htc hd2 had that in late 2009/early 2010.

They're actually talking about a very specific implementation of a dual-LED flash, where one LED is white and the other is amber in color. By adjusting the brightness and / or timing of each LED separately, they can produce a flash that is pure white, pure amber, or something in-between.

Professional photographers have used tinted flashes (by using gels, tapes and other color filters on their flash equipment) for a long time. What Apple claims is that this is the first time it's been done on a smartphone by using two LEDs of a different color.
 
They're actually talking about a very specific implementation of a dual-LED flash, where one LED is white and the other is amber in color. By adjusting the brightness and / or timing of each LED separately, they can produce a flash that is pure white, pure amber, or something in-between.

Professional photographers have used tinted flashes (by using gels, tapes and other color filters on their flash equipment) for a long time. What Apple claims is that this is the first time it's been done on a smartphone by using two LEDs of a different color.
But come on, there's no innovation there at all! /s
 
But come on, there's no innovation there at all! /s

That's an opinion that depends on how much the feature affects someone and which part of the definition of "innovation" they cling on to. Dual LEDs have been done before in smartphones. Flash color filters have been done before in photography. If someone never takes photos with your smartphone in low light with the flash then this doesn't even address a problem they've experienced. I can see how the feature doesn't look like much of a headliner from that perspective.

But it's equally true - assuming the feature actually works as advertised - that a dual color LED that improves low light flash photography on a smartphone is new and possibly even novel, assuming it's never been done before on a smartphone as Apple claims. I wouldn't know since I'm not an expert in such matters. And yes, also assuming how someone defines novel - as something that's never been done anywhere before, even partially, or as something that's never been done in this particular manner in this particular product category.

Naturally Apple wants to take the opinion that this is something worth talking about. The rest of us can feel differently about it and skip the product if it fails to fill an important need. Such as being an innovative phone (?).
 
Even my iPad 2 has "burst mode," even though it is left out of airdrop and the blur effect. Does anyone have an iphone 4 they can see if this works on?

I do, and I know it's not burst mode, but hold down the shutter key on an iPhone 4 and it'll take like 2 frames per second.
 
So much fud gets spread.

I think it's pitiful true burst functionality hasn't been included for the iPhone 5. The processor and camera sensor is more than capable.

The older HTC One X does a superb job of it. S3 too and some of the Sony camera phones. It's all about the software.

There's an app called Fast Camera which does an ok job albeit the quality suffers.
 
No, they literally say "A dual LED flash on a smartphone is ahead of its time." That's the exact sentence.

I'm a fan of Apple as much as the next guy here. But when people take the piss out of their marketing crap, you can't help but think Apple only ask for it ;)

You're right - I hadn't viewed the iPhone 5S info site. I was going by what they said in the keynote, where they specifically talked about "True Tone Flash" and how this was the "first time it's ever been done in not just a phone but a camera of any kind".
 
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