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Here's the problem now though: The fact that you know about his scheme and aren't reporting it to the authorities makes you an accessory to a crime, which, you guessed it, can result in fines and/or jail time.

I can't do time man. I won't survive in there. I'll have to make a run for the Mexican border if they come after me. I won't go back to jail, not again. ;)
 
Moreso a statement. Of course not, but give your side, hire a good lawyer, and what other choice do they have? Not your fault if you don't know the funds are fraudulent.
That's like a pawn shop buying a hot item, cops coming and saying "this ___ is stolen, you're being arrested" (even though there's a law stating it's okay).
Umm, pawn shops are supposed to ensure, or take reasonable steps to ensure the items aren't stolen. I am not sure what they are, but they are supposed to afaik.

I said it once, someone else said it once, and I'll say it once more. Ignorance of the law does not prove innocence.
From what I've found (not a lawyer by any means) you'd be fined $1,000,000 go to jail for up to 10 years and lose all seized items.

Really? Citation? I mean for Squilly's sake. :)
 
Umm, pawn shops are supposed to ensure, or take reasonable steps to ensure the items aren't stolen. I am not sure what they are, but they are supposed to afaik.

I said it once, someone else said it once, and I'll say it once more. Ignorance of the law does not prove innocence.

If pawn shops operate like GameStop, they take your license information and make you sign something indicating you're representing the items as not stolen. Then if it turns out something you sold them WAS stolen, they have all your info.

At least, when I sold my aging Wii to Gamestop that's what they did. I was just happy to unload the damn thing.
 
They would be an accessory. So are you. You have knowledge and are advising him.

I have knowledge of it but I'm advising him not to do it. The same went for my retail theft thread.
 
I have knowledge of it but I'm advising him not to do it. The same went for my retail theft thread.

From Wikipedia

An accessory is a person who assists in the commission of a crime, but who does not actually participate in the commission of the crime as a joint principal. The distinction between an accessory and a principal is a question of fact and degree:

The principal is the one whose acts or omissions, accompanied by the relevant mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind"), are the most immediate cause of the actus reus (Latin for "guilty act").

If two or more people are directly responsible for the actus reus, they can be charged as joint principals (see common purpose). The test to distinguish a joint principal from an accessory is whether the defendant independently contributed to causing the actus reus rather than merely giving generalised and/or limited help and encouragement.


In some jurisdictions, an accessory is distinguished from an accomplice, who normally is present at the crime and participates in some way. An accessory must generally have knowledge that a crime is being, or will be committed. A person with such knowledge may become an accessory by helping or encouraging the criminal in some way, or simply by failing to report the crime to proper authority. The assistance to the criminal may be of any type, including emotional or financial assistance as well as physical assistance or concealment.
 
From Wikipedia

An accessory is a person who assists in the commission of a crime, but who does not actually participate in the commission of the crime as a joint principal. The distinction between an accessory and a principal is a question of fact and degree:

The principal is the one whose acts or omissions, accompanied by the relevant mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind"), are the most immediate cause of the actus reus (Latin for "guilty act").

If two or more people are directly responsible for the actus reus, they can be charged as joint principals (see common purpose). The test to distinguish a joint principal from an accessory is whether the defendant independently contributed to causing the actus reus rather than merely giving generalised and/or limited help and encouragement.


In some jurisdictions, an accessory is distinguished from an accomplice, who normally is present at the crime and participates in some way. An accessory must generally have knowledge that a crime is being, or will be committed. A person with such knowledge may become an accessory by helping or encouraging the criminal in some way, or simply by failing to report the crime to proper authority. The assistance to the criminal may be of any type, including emotional or financial assistance as well as physical assistance or concealment.

Squilly isn't worried: he has already decided to take "the plea bargain."

So Squilly, what kind of deal are you hoping for?
 
I have knowledge of it but I'm advising him not to do it. The same went for my retail theft thread.

It's about 2000 miles from Philly to the Mexican City, and from Mexico City to Lima, Peru is another 2600 miles. You should be able to find a country with no extradition treaty with the US from there.

If you leave now...you should be there before the Feds come knocking...
 
I have knowledge of it but I'm advising him not to do it. The same went for my retail theft thread.


If I tell you I'm going to murder somebody, you can beg and plead all you want with me to not do it, but if you don't turn me in, you're still an accessory.
 
....Also, even if the funds are legit (whoa, a pig just flew past the window!), sending the iPads overseas is not, and you can't get away with claiming ignorance of that law once caught.

That may not be true.......after a little bit of googling it appears that over the last 5 or 6 years there have been significant changes to export license requirements for what are now classified as "mass market encryption products", so much so that export licenses are no longer required as a general rule (there are exceptions of course) for many products. Apple, like many manufacturers, provides a compliance list for their products and they list iPads under the mass market category

That doesn't mean that Squally isn't getting himself in deep trouble some way, just that it might not be by violating export controls
 
That may not be true.......
Well, then, I guess that's the last of the red flags!

Surely, the Poles just decided to pay his brother $20K for doing something they could do themselves because the security guard liked him so much.
 
No contracts? Sounds like a sound business deal! Rags to riches, 'murica :D

Mock, if you will, Canadian mocking person...but when Squilly and Squally are rich and famous, you'll be mocking out of the other side of your frozen face! :cool:

Of course, when he ends up as an accomplice in some criminal case...well...:p
 
It's about 2000 miles from Philly to the Mexican City, and from Mexico City to Lima, Peru is another 2600 miles. You should be able to find a country with no extradition treaty with the US from there.

If you leave now...you should be there before the Feds come knocking...

Or Poland ;)
 
Well, then, I guess that's the last of the red flags!

Surely, the Poles just decided to pay his brother $20K for doing something they could do themselves because the security guard liked him so much.

lol....how do you even know they're Poles?
 
Couldn't tell if the last few posts were full of sarcasm or not...
 
Again, not a lawyer by a long shot, but it definitely has to do with exports. If I'm completely off on this and look like an idiot, let me know. ;)
http://osp.research.wvu.edu/export_controls/export_control_penalties

That link just lists penalties. You have to consult the current EAR list of countries to find out whether Poland is subject to export constraints or not, and exactly what any constraints are.

Summary, with links to US gov websites that have current regulations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States#Current_status
 
Mock, if you will, Canadian mocking person...but when Squilly and Squally are rich and famous, you'll be mocking out of the other side of your frozen face! :cool:

Of course, when he ends up as an accomplice in some criminal case...well...:p

Regardless of the outcome, I'm afraid my laughter from this thread may generate enough heat to melt my igloo :(


There's another variable that doesn't seem to have been mentioned: if the security guard is already in the states then why doesn't he just do the orders for the Poles? Seems quite generous to help some highschoolers who are eager to enter the business world!
 
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