We have a new HP Elitebook at work and there is absolutely nothing on it that even comes close to any of Apple's laptops. The trackpad is absolute rubbish, the volume control is totally unintuitive, the keyboard doesn't feel as good, it's thicker and heavier. Oh and good luck connecting that 2560x1600 res screen with HDMI when pretty much nobody implements HDMI 1.3/1.4.
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But seriously, spec's aside MBP's/MBA's have little or no competition ...
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We have a new HP Elitebook at work and there is absolutely nothing on it that even comes close to any of Apple's laptops. The trackpad is absolute rubbish, the volume control is totally unintuitive, the keyboard doesn't feel as good, it's thicker and heavier. Oh and good luck connecting that 2560x1600 res screen with HDMI when pretty much nobody implements HDMI 1.3/1.4.
Those stickers are so pointless, A+ to the sticker companies for a perfect con.
Thanks, but I bought the damn computer, I know what's inside! You already sold me on this piece of crap, the game is over, you won, isn't that enough?!
It would be like a car dealer calling you at home after you bought a car, "did I mention it has a third row and a steering wheel?"
Thanks, but I bought the damn computer, I know what's inside! You already sold me on this piece of crap, the game is over, you won, isn't that enough?!
It would be like a car dealer calling you at home after you bought a car, "did I mention it has a third row and a steering wheel?"
If you think the ENVY is comparable, you must have never seen/used one in person before.
I have. The 13 and 15 felt more solid than a MacBook Pro, lol. I will agree they aren't perfect, but then again nor is the MBP - the envy has a bit of a 'lip' where the metal is cut by the webcam, but the MBP has a very sharp edge around the recess you stick your finger in to open the lid.
However, the Envy's trackpad leaves much to be desired.
However, the Envy's trackpad leaves much to be desired.
Well I don't exactly make it a point to twist laptops on display. Besides, from experience the MacBook I just sold off a couple of weeks ago had plenty of body flex lol 
However the HPs are made out of several pieces of metal, so not surprised in particular. Then again, this sony is made out of plenty of plastic and when I pick the behemoth up by the corner of the palm rest there is no flexing.
I think there's far, far more reasonable reasons to pick the MBP over the Envy, such as the touchpad, or that the envy can't run OS X (hackintosh or not), because the video config won't work with it (as far as I know).
However the HPs are made out of several pieces of metal, so not surprised in particular. Then again, this sony is made out of plenty of plastic and when I pick the behemoth up by the corner of the palm rest there is no flexing.
I think there's far, far more reasonable reasons to pick the MBP over the Envy, such as the touchpad, or that the envy can't run OS X (hackintosh or not), because the video config won't work with it (as far as I know).
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screen quality: average yes, and macbook pro 15 could have a higher res. version for pro software (programming, music, video - multimedia in general). A lot of software needs a high res. for a good workflow.
the touchpad is really great. Hard to find anything that comes close.
The trackpads are unbeatable, although Dell, to name one, has been adding buttonless trackpads to their notebooks too...
It's sad how they can so shamelessly STEAL things and integrate them into their own notebooks. It's oh so funny how Michael Dell put Apple down and said they would die in the 90's, yet his company is always picking Apple's breakthroughs from a catalog.
Windows is my biggest problem. Microsoft was founded by and is run by a sleazy sniveling car salesman and has that same attitude. Remember Biff from Back To the Future II?
They lie, steal, and they just DON'T CARE! They want their products to be just GOOD ENOUGH that people still buy them. Considering the monopoly they've created by lying and deceiving the ill informed, their products have to function and do little at all.
The Windows environment looks like it was thrown together in a moment's notice, it just doesn't look finished. There's no order to it, the graphic designers must have been schizophrenic.
It's sad how they can so shamelessly STEAL things and integrate them into their own notebooks. It's oh so funny how Michael Dell put Apple down and said they would die in the 90's, yet his company is always picking Apple's breakthroughs from a catalog.
Windows is my biggest problem. Microsoft was founded by and is run by a sleazy sniveling car salesman and has that same attitude. Remember Biff from Back To the Future II?
They lie, steal, and they just DON'T CARE! They want their products to be just GOOD ENOUGH that people still buy them. Considering the monopoly they've created by lying and deceiving the ill informed, their products have to function and do little at all.
The Windows environment looks like it was thrown together in a moment's notice, it just doesn't look finished. There's no order to it, the graphic designers must have been schizophrenic.
Who uses a trackpad in permanent use, though? How can you do detailed graphics in Photoshop comfortably with a trackpad for hours and hours, daily?
RSI/Carpal-Tunnel city.
Get a nice bluetooth/wireless mouse. Then you'll find you'll never touch the trackpad ever again. The trackpad becomes a moot point.
As are stickers. Simply peel them off! Can't believe that is a sticking (ho ho) point.
17" MBP has WLED screen, but other PC laptops have RGBLEDs including options on all screen sizes, not just restricted to 17".
The number of implemented ports on the Apple is next to useless.
I think PC laptops were the first to use chiclet keyboards, Apple merely followed suit. Most are backlit.
Time Machine. Unremarkable. There are plenty of PC equivalents that offer better options.
RSI/Carpal-Tunnel city.
Get a nice bluetooth/wireless mouse. Then you'll find you'll never touch the trackpad ever again. The trackpad becomes a moot point.
As are stickers. Simply peel them off! Can't believe that is a sticking (ho ho) point.
17" MBP has WLED screen, but other PC laptops have RGBLEDs including options on all screen sizes, not just restricted to 17".
The number of implemented ports on the Apple is next to useless.
I think PC laptops were the first to use chiclet keyboards, Apple merely followed suit. Most are backlit.
Time Machine. Unremarkable. There are plenty of PC equivalents that offer better options.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZT!! Wrong!
No matter what I'm doing with my notebook, if I have a mouse plugged in I find myself using the trackpad more than half of the time, it's THAT convenient and functional with its gestures and such. I cant stand to use + and - buttons, which I sometimes can't find, to adjust the size of some images in some programs, it's easier to just use the pinch on the trackpad.
I don't think you understand our point about the stickers. The fact that they put them on there in the first place is such a gimmick. It's like toy shopping, whereas Apple is more elegant, professional, and serious...while fun...in a professional and elegant manner.
I'll give you the trackpad for sure, but I end up using a mouse much of the time, so this benefit is minimized. The screen is average, and the build quality is good I guess. It's still all about the OS.Erm, the screen, the design, the build quality, the mousepad
Oh wait we had this discussion already right?
I have to disagree with some of you who say the screen is nothing special.
It may not be considered "amazing" based on specs, but if you have ever looked at one, it just looks amazing! I don't know what they do to their screens, but they definitely feed them some steroids.
It may not be considered "amazing" based on specs, but if you have ever looked at one, it just looks amazing! I don't know what they do to their screens, but they definitely feed them some steroids.
I have used Windows XP, Vista and 7 on my Macs, and I have to say it's software.
Windows, no matter how I configure the Display settings, is just a puketastic dim pastel...dump.
Working with Windows in any capacity has caused such nausea and headache that I absolutely do NOT work on Windows unless a really good friend has a small and simple problem.
Windows, no matter how I configure the Display settings, is just a puketastic dim pastel...dump.
Working with Windows in any capacity has caused such nausea and headache that I absolutely do NOT work on Windows unless a really good friend has a small and simple problem.
The new HP elitebook has a far better screen and way more power in a nice form factor. Dream color 2 by lucasarts, IPS display. DX11 video card with workstation power. Amazing machine that makes core 2 duo and Nvidia look like horse and buggy.
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I guess it's a trade off. Makes you look uneducated, but, hey, you get to type TWO less letters!
... now hear me out here
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Specs aside, I'm going to ask you:
If you desire something badly enough that the MacBook Pro doesn't have (be it Blu-Ray, higher res screens, more RAM, better procesosrs, better GPUs, etc), is it really "worth it" to compromise to have a MacBook Pro instead?
I'm just a nerd. At the end of the day, I use my computer to toy with new things, and I want to experiment with new stuff. As much as I love OS X, having a 9400M and 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo was way, way too limiting for me.
So I couldn't go the Apple route. I still think this thread is just a bunch of MacBook Pro owners trying to justify their lame hardware. So I'll justify my lame hardware! XD
If you desire something badly enough that the MacBook Pro doesn't have (be it Blu-Ray, higher res screens, more RAM, better procesosrs, better GPUs, etc), is it really "worth it" to compromise to have a MacBook Pro instead?
I'm just a nerd. At the end of the day, I use my computer to toy with new things, and I want to experiment with new stuff. As much as I love OS X, having a 9400M and 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo was way, way too limiting for me.
So I couldn't go the Apple route. I still think this thread is just a bunch of MacBook Pro owners trying to justify their lame hardware.
So I'll justify my lame hardware! XD
Correction - YOU'RE completely wrong ...
You should read thoroughly before you post ... I've owned Thinkpad T500's and 400's, an x301, Latitudes of all flavors NONE of which are sold in stores and ALL of which have one thing in common - poor screens. What's the use of a high res screen if the hardware it's running on is junk, I've had enough grainy low quality IBM/Lenovo/Dell screens, set them beside any MBP you'll see what I mean.
Didn't I say "spec's aside"? Yes, I did. And, for these high end spec's you ramble on about the vast majority people don't need them, what they use a computer for never requires these high end spec's.
For a laptop that provides the ultimate user experience, that's a pleasure to type on with a great screen, quality built, low maintenance for us that's a Mac, no PC comes close for enjoyable and reliable day to day user experience.
Hey, I'm not a volunteer Apple fan boy ... we came here because my Company was spending a lot of money on PC laptops with too much grief, Dell, Lenovo and yes, Sony's quality went down hill ... seems to me they went to making numerous colors of notebooks with fancy stickers and designs with high end spec's coming from low quality components and 'poof' you're lost in the frustrating, money gouging pc world, that's just our experience.
I wish there where more competitors, I have no problem with Win7 so far, but the hardware available to run it on ... NO thanks. I ended up here because I tried a MacBook Pro for fun ... and in 2009 we spent almost $100,000 on Apple computers ... you might say we never looked back ... that's right, works for us
No, your wrong. I can only customize my Dell to a 3.06GHz Core 2 Duo online. Not in stores.
There biggest advantage is design. No company comes close except maybe vooDoo, if there still in business.
Those things drive me nuts for some reason. I can't for the life of me understand why people leave them on, it looks incredibly tacky. Especially on Netbooks where the stickers are "bragging" about it's 10" screen and 1 GB of RAM... Do you need a daily reminder of how crappy your computer is?