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But seriously, spec's aside MBP's/MBA's have little or no competition ...

lilo777 said:
First, there are many EliteBook models. New models have all kinds of CPUs up to i7 which is obviously faster than MBP.

In my office everybody has EliteBook and I have yet to hear about any issues with HDD or battery or anything else. Obviously that's just an anecdotal evidence, not very accurate but so is yours.

EliteBooks enclosures are made not from plastic but from magnesium alloy. If you are interested, you may read this article "Business-rugged HP EliteBook Notebook PCs: tested to meet Military Standard MIL-STD-810F"

EliteBooks also have much better graphics, better higher resolution screens (some models even had IPS panels) with RGB LED backlit option available (only white LED backlit for Macbooks)
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I don't know, we have had nothing but issues with our elitebooks, the whole company uses them and I can venture to say 75% of them have had issues of some sort. I really miss the Thinkpads we had before, those were rock solid. I just looked at my notebook, it has an aluminum top or some sort of metal, the bottom is plastic.

Screen wise there is no comparison to my MBP screen. Speed wise as I said, my MBP "feels" faster.

Basically I use my MBP for web browsing while sitting on the couch or our and about, some email, chatting, skype, maybe ill use FCE to make/edit a movie 1 time a year and some very brief CS2 editing (I have a i7 extreme machine with Vegas Pro and CS4 if I need to do heavier things). I'm perfectly fine with its performance, I know there is better out there but why waste money on a new one when this one suits me fine :)
 
Spec's aside:

My car is MUCH nicer than your car
My phone is MUCH cooler than your phone
My house is much better than your house
My computer has a much better user experience than yours


Yea. Spec's aside, it's like talking about that AWESOME movie they made back when with that one guy. . and all that STUFF Happened! It was the BEST!!!


The problem here is that many people are starting to realize they can buy "user experience" for $2000 or $800. Given the choice between computer A and computer B, and knowing nothing else about either one, which would most "normal" computer shoppers buy?

Because we are keeping specs out of this, I do not have to have examples of either one. Both are "good enough".

Now explain how you justify $1200 more for "user experience". But don't explain it to me, explain it to John Q Public that doesn't know anything about specs or operating systems. He barely knows how to check his E-mail and get on his favorite websites. He cannot be called a "PC". He cannot be called a "Mac". He is a drone. A sheep. like 98% of the consumer base across the entire world. He will buy what is cheapest. User experience be D*mned.

For everyone else, there are specs. A way to compare apples to apples [as it were, irony aside] and determine the actual best price per dollar, outside some imaginary "user experience" bubble. And I hate to pop yours, but at this time there is no way to offset the $1k + premium the current MBP line carries vs it's competitors.

and "good enough" is a crock, since ostensibly if I'm buying now, it needs to be "good enough" 3-5 years into the future, not "good enough" today. Time and money are precious, and I have little enough of both to waste on constantly upgrading my "good enough" technology a year and a half into the future when it has become completely obsolete in one fashion or another. Yes, there will always be new technology moving forward, but that doesn't mean I have to spend a premium amount on End of Life hardware.

And the REAL irony is that, when the new MBPs are finally released, all the "throw out spec" people are going to be flocking to see how much better those newly spec'd MBPs stack up, how much better they work, how much more one can do with them in a time where it looks like gaming could soon go mainstream on Apple hardware.

Portal 2, huh? And Steam?? Is the 9400 integrated chip "good enough" for that? Do gamers somehow not count, because they use their rigs for more than word processing and pr0n surfing? Or are the current MPBs simply "good enough" for you, so they should be "good enough" for everyone?

The Apple landscape is changing. "Those who do not embrace technology are doomed to be replaced by it".

Better hurry Steve, before the iPad bombs and you have no ground to fall back on :D
 
Mindinversion said:
Now explain how you justify $1200 more for "user experience". But don't explain it to me, explain it to John Q Public that doesn't know anything about specs or operating systems. He barely knows how to check his E-mail and get on his favorite websites. He cannot be called a "PC". He cannot be called a "Mac". He is a drone. A sheep. like 98% of the consumer base across the entire world. He will buy what is cheapest. User experience be D*mned.

For everyone else, there are specs. A way to compare apples to apples [as it were, irony aside] and determine the actual best price per dollar, outside some imaginary "user experience" bubble. And I hate to pop yours, but at this time there is no way to offset the $1k + premium the current MBP line carries vs it's competitors.

and "good enough" is a crock, since ostensibly if I'm buying now, it needs to be "good enough" 3-5 years into the future, not "good enough" today. Time and money are precious, and I have little enough of both to waste on constantly upgrading my "good enough" technology a year and a half into the future when it has become completely obsolete in one fashion or another. Yes, there will always be new technology moving forward, but that doesn't mean I have to spend a premium amount on End of Life hardware.

And the REAL irony is that, when the new MBPs are finally released, all the "throw out spec" people are going to be flocking to see how much better those newly spec'd MBPs stack up, how much better they work, how much more one can do with them in a time where it looks like gaming could soon go mainstream on Apple hardware.

Portal 2, huh? And Steam?? Is the 9400 integrated chip "good enough" for that? Do gamers somehow not count, because they use their rigs for more than word processing and pr0n surfing? Or are the current MPBs simply "good enough" for you, so they should be "good enough" for everyone?

The Apple landscape is changing. "Those who do not embrace technology are doomed to be replaced by it".

Better hurry Steve, before the iPad bombs and you have no ground to fall back on :D
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One problem. 'John Q' is fattening Apple's $40bil wallet as we speak. MBPs are still flying off shelves despite the fact that it has 'old' hardware.

Your post is useless because it doesn't address why MBPs are posting record sales.

Hell, even smart thieves are going for MBPs.
 
vant said:
One problem. 'John Q' is fattening Apple's $40bil wallet as we speak. MBPs are still flying off shelves despite the fact that it has 'old' hardware.

Your post is useless because it doesn't address why MBPs are posting record sales.

Hell, even smart thieves are going for MBPs.
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So if the mbp is sellibg like hot cakes. John Q is being scammed. He is paying for OUTDATED HARDWARE. HE IS BEING SCAMMED MORE THAN 1 K FOR ****** CRAPPY OUT DATED HARDWARE.
 
I suppose I am completely off base, but the user experience vs. spec debate seems null and void. Doesn't one inform the other? Wouldn't the best OS ever produce a terrible user experience when run on a computer with bad specs? Isn't it really a question of combining the two? If a user experience is work 1k more in one machine with X specs, wouldn't it be that much better on a machine with X +1 specs?

I don't see the two as exclusive and in fact, user experience must, to at least some degree, be fastened soundly to specs.

As for Apple's record revenues and stock prices, I'm not sure those would be worse with better specs, or 'better' user experience. Would those that don't care about specs be happy if specs never increased? Would those that don't care as much about 'user experience' be happy if it never changed/improved? My guess, unfounded of course, is that if Apple's specs did not allow them to produce their user experience, they would not have those revenues (or at least whatever portion of those revenues are attributable to computers and not other devices).

To my mind, on my very very (8 years, I think) old Dell, my user experience is limited primarily by the specs, which won't allow me to upgrade my OS, which, in turn hurts my user experience...my guess is, this would be the case for most people.

Ho humm....this is the sort of thing that comes up when we all want a better user experience, fueled by better specs.....
 
The MBP is indeed underspecced for the $$. Definitely, no doubt IMHO.

The $1500 model should have the 3GHz Core 2 Duo and a Geforce 330m, at the very least. (The 330m is a fancy, overclocked 9600m).

It really should have an i5. I've seen smaller, lighter machines that got similar battery life with the i5. It's the i7 quads (which aren't quite arrandale anyway), that suck battery life like a drunken sailor XD
 
Your post is useless because it doesn't address why MBPs are posting record sales
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When they only have.. what, 10% of the market? 12%?

even if it were as high as 20% my post would STILL be relevant, as that leaves 80% of the market owned by PC, and in most cases that 80% is largely comprised of people just like Mr. The Q. Public.

With everything that's going on with steam, the future looks very bright for Apple assuming new hardware; GOOD new hardware comes into play. Going down that road with a 9400m or $2k to start for anything dedicated would [and admittedly this is my OPINION] be a HUGE mistake. If they can get mainstream software developers to start developing for mac as well as PCs it could REALLY break apple into the market. . . but the hardware *HAS* to be capable of supporting it, which goes right back to my first post and basically wasting$2k for a machine that isn't going to be able to handle the new potential software lines that are being built today.

In other words, again, Specs matter. Maybe not today, maybe not this week, but very very soon.
 
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