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Iv also been told that it's not the FAA that is concerned about a phone disrupting the avionics in a plane but the FCC being concerned about using multiple towers at once from altitude that consequently ties up the towers. Idk?
 
For those that don't understand aviation, there are 2 pilots in most commercial planes and even without and iPhone, pilots usually have their handful with charts, approach plates and a variety of other paperwork or technology. This is nothing new and not dangerous. We are not talking about making phone calls and being distracted, we are talking about pulling up important information in a more efficient way than flipping through pages in a book.

If anything, it is safer.


Plane crazy: NWA flight misses MSP by 150 miles
http://www.startribune.com/local/65619367.html

Sounds about right
 
Iv also been told that it's not the FAA that is concerned about a phone disrupting the avionics in a plane but the FCC being concerned about using multiple towers at once from altitude that consequently ties up the towers. Idk?

To be honest, I'm not sure of that. The only time I have had instruments disrupted by a cellular device is when I do a weekend trip with my friends or family in a little Cessna. You can hear little clicks and pops in the headset when the device is sending or receiving info or a call. It's not enough to hurt communications, it's just annoying.

In a larger commercial aircraft, you can leave your phone on the whole time and I promise you nobody will notice (as long as you're not making a call and are visually obvious). Don't expect a cell phone in your pocket that is powered on and not in airplane mode will escalate to the pilot coming into the cabin and hunting you down.
 
people are STILL calling reps with questions on the reception? its been talked about so much on here that its overkill. what more is there to know other than what we will find out when there is an official statement?
 
Since when do they allow you to have an iPhone in the cockpit? I figured you were a private flyer. Not for a major airline!
 
Since when do they allow you to have an iPhone in the cockpit? I figured you were a private flyer. Not for a major airline!

I call BS on the OP EVER having been in a cockpit for a major airline, especially not as a pilot...unless, of course, you count the time he got to sit behind the controls when he was 8 and the plane was on the ground.
 
90 of the time a plane is in air it is being autoflown. pilots typically have most influence over the aircraft during liftoff and landing -- which coincidentally is when most incidents occur.

you act as if pilots are not allowed to have their hands off the aircraft control devices at any time. what about the guys who drink coffee?

dopes.
 
God you people are such idiots. Why is it so hard to believe that a pilot uses modern technology to help him do his job safer and more efficiently?
 
Yeah I kind of just gave up trying to prove things to a bunch of kids on a forum. I don't need to prove myself to anyone. I could scan my pilot certificate or even post some pics or video I have taken over the years but it's not relevant to the topic and gain the admiration of people I will never meet is not important to me.

At least those with some knowledge of cockpit duties in an ACTUAL aircraft and FAA rules and regs according to the FAR/AIM understand.
 
Yes that's absolute BS what that apple rep told you. I'm a pilot as well.

I fly the Embraer if that tells you anything, and yes I'm a poor F/O that still manages to maintain apple currency. I flew the CRJ for 3 years though.

What kind of programs are you using? Shall we compare notes? I just normally use mine for weather. I get better weather than the company's release! ha
 
I call BS on the OP EVER having been in a cockpit for a major airline, especially not as a pilot...unless, of course, you count the time he got to sit behind the controls when he was 8 and the plane was on the ground.

That's ridiculous. I've been a commercial pilot flying for a major US airline for 4 years and I've had my iPhone out and ready, and using it while moving on the taxiways getting updated radar images, reviewing data (my manuals are on my iphone and ipad) as pertinent to the operation, and of course my flight time logging is all managed by my iPhone. Electronics are authorized in the cockpit. Neither the OP or myself are breaking any regulations or putting the flying public at risk. We know the times to put the phone down and pay attention, and when to pick it up and resume gathering whatever data we were gathering.
 
Yes that's absolute BS what that apple rep told you. I'm a pilot as well.

I fly the EMB for AMR if that tells you anything, and yes I'm a poor F/O that still manages to maintain apple currency.

What kind of programs are you using? Shall we compare notes? I just normally use mine for weather. I get better weather than the company's release! ha

I want to start using my iPad but since these devices are not completely approved for IFR conditions I just use it for reference. I have a Garmin in the personal planes I fly but for quick approach information and weather, I use ForeFlight. As far as frequencies and such on weekend getaways, I just built a list of favorites on the AOPA app. It has runway lengths, elevation, frequencies etc... for VFR flights. Also when I'm VFR I have the E6B from Sportys and a crosswind component calculator.

The weather is great on ForeFlight and I have never had it inconsistent with ATIS. It's a lot quicker than tuning into ATIS or calling Lockheed for a short trip.

I fly out of KVNY.

PS. I fly charter. I wanted to work for an airline but the hiring process has been tough so I'm actually waiting for my FAA date in Oklahoma to become a controller after finishing CTI.
 
I want to start using my iPad but since these devices are not completely approved for IFR conditions I just use it for reference. I have a Garmin in the personal planes I fly but for quick approach information and weather, I use ForeFlight. As far as frequencies and such on weekend getaways, I just built a list of favorites on the AOPA app. It has runway lengths, elevation, frequencies etc... for VFR flights. Also when I'm VFR I have the E6B from Sportys and a crosswind component calculate.

The weather is great on ForeFlight and I have never had it inconsistent with ATIS. It's a lot quicker than tuning into ATIS or calling Lockheed for a short trip.

I fly out of KVNY.

I bring my iPad with me in my flight case, and it does all that it needs to do for all my layovers and it has all my manuals on it. I still carry 100% of the manuals required, but 80% overall. The 20% reduction in space in my flight bag is wonderful. The iPad is a great pre-flight planner. Working at a 121 airline, I can get dispatch releases, email the dispatcher, text message (also through ACARS onboard the airplane), get up to the minute radar images and several other features that help me out tremendously. I am Chicago based.
 
I bring my iPad with me in my flight case, and it does all that it needs to do for all my layovers and it has all my manuals on it. I still carry 100% of the manuals required, but 80% overall. The 20% reduction in space in my flight bag is wonderful. The iPad is a great pre-flight planner. Working at a 121 airline, I can get dispatch releases, email the dispatcher, text message (also through ACARS onboard the airplane), get up to the minute radar images and several other features that help me out tremendously. I am Chicago based.

I added a post script to my last post. I'm not with a large carrier but I'm doing charter in Los Angeles. Hopefully by earlier next year I'll be a controller. Looking for something that keeps me local to my family and has normal hours =)
 
Personally I would have been shocked if the pilot (OP) said that he did have his hands on the controls for any significant period of time (assuming he's in a commercial airliner).

I assumed that at this point, most of the actual airplane maneuvers are done by autopilot.
 
I added a post script to my last post. I'm not with a large carrier but I'm doing charter in Los Angeles. Hopefully by earlier next year I'll be a controller. Looking for something that keeps me local to my family and has normal hours =)

I understand completely. I was hired by Mesa (yeah yeah I know) 3 years ago, and had a hell of a run there until I was laid off in January. Then I interviewed at my present company in February, started class in May, and I'm just finishing up my IOE stuff now.

If I didn't love flying so much I don't know why I do this. The money sucks, the time away from home sucks, being a reserve bitch sucks, the tiredness/fatigue sucks, and did I mention the money sucks? I made $24,000 on 3rd year F/O pay last year. Unbelievable. I don't blame you for going to ATC.
 
Personally I would have been shocked if the pilot (OP) said that he did have his hands on the controls for any significant period of time (assuming he's in a commercial airliner).

I assumed that at this point, most of the actual airplane maneuvers are done by autopilot.

At cruise altitude, most flying is done my AP. Takeoff, climb and landing is usually manual. But even when there is not autopilot on smaller planes, people need to understand it's not like driving. Air traffic control will have your desired altitude from your flight plan and once you get up to that altitude, you can level off, stay on your heading and take your hands off the controls. If the controller sees traffic in your area or you scan and see other traffic or even if you TCAS gives you an alert, that's when you would put your hands on the yoke and take control of the plane.

If you take your hands of the yoke in a plane it won't go crazy or fall out of the sky.
 
Personally I would have been shocked if the pilot (OP) said that he did have his hands on the controls for any significant period of time (assuming he's in a commercial airliner).

I assumed that at this point, most of the actual airplane maneuvers are done by autopilot.

Correct. When we are taxiing, or doing any manual control manipulation, there are NO distractions. Above 10,000ft normally, we can stop being so attentive and relax a bit. At no time are people "texting and driving" or so to speak. I've been in the major airline business for 4 years and have never seen anything like that before. We are professional pilots, but more importantly we are SAFE pilots. That being said, I'll use my iPad and iPhone when appropriate to assist me in completing the flight on time, as safely as possible. :) (edit - for example, checking the instantaneous radar on my iPad just prior to departure to make sure I'm taking a clear path and wont be getting into trouble... etc)

Edit: And yes the Autopilot does a wonderful job. It can be engaged at 500ft above the ground, and disengaged at 200ft on approach and landing. It is pretty much idiot proof and does everything for you. You just have to crosscheck and make sure you program it and the flight management systems properly, and keep a watchful eye on what the airplane is doing. Just because "George" is flying, doesn't mean we can stop paying attention. We just relax. We still pay attention. We're just letting him do all the work! haha
 
I understand completely. I was hired by Mesa (yeah yeah I know) 3 years ago, and had a hell of a run there until I was laid off in January. Then I interviewed at my present company in February, started class in May, and I'm just finishing up my IOE stuff now.

If I didn't love flying so much I don't know why I do this. The money sucks, the time away from home sucks, being a reserve bitch sucks, the tiredness/fatigue sucks, and did I mention the money sucks? I made $24,000 on 3rd year F/O pay last year. Unbelievable. I don't blame you for going to ATC.

Yeah I figure regular hours in a center or tower in LA could get me 6 figures in a couple of years. I used to fly Cessnas and Pipers 2-3 times a week then when I started flying for work it felt more like a job and less like a passion. It really is addicting.
 
Yeah I figure regular hours in a center or tower in LA could get me 6 figures in a couple of years. I used to fly Cessnas and Pipers 2-3 times a week then when I started flying for work it felt more like a job and less like a passion. It really is addicting.

It is, and I love my jet, and I love the airlines. There's a lot of BS that comes along with it, but once that passenger door closes, and it's just me, the airplane, and the captain. It's all good from then on.
 
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