Buyer's Remorse?

[mashinhead]

No remorse here. I've been watching Netflix and getting around 8 hours battery life. Easily get more than that if just surfing Safari.

I don't think remorse is the right term here. I'm not remorseful that I bought it, nor do I think anyone else is. I'm disappointed with how it performs. If it performed well, even in small tasks, I would more than happy with it. But even the most basic functions are painful.

On top of that, a lot of people waited a long time to get there theirs, and prices weren't cheap, so you pay $1700 bucks for a computer that takes a month to arrive, to find out that it can barely keep up with safari or youtube. That isn't a function of remorse.

 

[bcaslis]

I don't think remorse is the right term here. I'm not remorseful that I bought it, nor do I think anyone else is. I'm disappointed with how it performs. If it performed well, even in small tasks, I would more than happy with it. But even the most basic functions are painful.

On top of that, a lot of people waited a long time to get there theirs, and prices weren't cheap, so you pay $1700 bucks for a computer that takes a month to arrive, to find out that it can barely keep up with safari or youtube. That isn't a function of remorse.

I'm not sure what computer you are using, but the MacBook I have can do basic tasks just fine, including safari and youtube. The amount of moaning on this forum about "lag" is amazing. Examples I've seen posted about stuttering webpages, etc... produce the same results on a 13" MBP, so it's not a function of the MacBook.

It's fine if a computer is not for you, but things like it can't keep up with basic tasks is just wrong. If yours really can't do this than take it to Apple, there is something wrong with it.

 

[mashinhead]

I'm not sure what computer you are using, but the MacBook I have can do basic tasks just fine, including safari and youtube. The amount of moaning on this forum about "lag" is amazing. Examples I've seen posted about stuttering webpages, etc... produce the same results on a 13" MBP, so it's not a function of the MacBook.

It's fine if a computer is not for you, but things like it can't keep up with basic tasks is just wrong. If yours really can't do this than take it to Apple, there is something wrong with it.

We'll its hard to make that argument because you're basically saying your experience trumps everyone else's. If a lot of people are complaining about lag then that means it's a pattern. That means it's an issue. You don't get to dismiss that because it isn't happening to you.

It's pretty arrogant to sit there and say "Stop complaining about lag because it isn't happening to me." You sound like some rich dude acting like people that don't have as much money as you don't have a right to complain about their issues as a result of it. (I'm using that as an analagous example, I'm not saying this is you)

And I don't think it's too much to expect that this computer should handle those tasks with ease, I would imagine you'd agree.

In my case sometimes those tasks are fine and sometimes they are just bottlenecked and slow.

 

[bcaslis]

You are saying the computer can't adequately perform for safari or youtube. I'm calling BS based on my own usage. I think if you even look at other accounts here you would see the same as what I am saying. Maybe there is some corner condition for these apps that you are seeing. But that is not what you said.

 

[judethat]

No remorse at all very happy with it.

 

[Daum]

No ragrets!:d

 

[PBG4 Dude]

No ragrets!:d

Not even a letter?

 

[Mcdevidr]

We'll its hard to make that argument because you're basically saying your experience trumps everyone else's. If a lot of people are complaining about lag then that means it's a pattern. That means it's an issue. You don't get to dismiss that because it isn't happening to you.

It's pretty arrogant to sit there and say "Stop complaining about lag because it isn't happening to me." You sound like some rich dude acting like people that don't have as much money as you don't have a right to complain about their issues as a result of it. (I'm using that as an analagous example, I'm not saying this is you)

And I don't think it's too much to expect that this computer should handle those tasks with ease, I would imagine you'd agree.

In my case sometimes those tasks are fine and sometimes they are just bottlenecked and slow.

I do not think a few people on this forum constitutes "A Lot" of people. There is lag on the base model when running flash video and switching desktops that is the worse lag i have seen on mine. Guess what I don't care. I don't usually watch videos and switch desktops the whole time, so it don't bother me. If it bothers you or anyone else return it.

 

[johngordon]

We'll its hard to make that argument because you're basically saying your experience trumps everyone else's. If a lot of people are complaining about lag then that means it's a pattern. That means it's an issue. You don't get to dismiss that because it isn't happening to you.

It's pretty arrogant to sit there and say "Stop complaining about lag because it isn't happening to me." You sound like some rich dude acting like people that don't have as much money as you don't have a right to complain about their issues as a result of it. (I'm using that as an analagous example, I'm not saying this is you)

And I don't think it's too much to expect that this computer should handle those tasks with ease, I would imagine you'd agree.

In my case sometimes those tasks are fine and sometimes they are just bottlenecked and slow.

I don't think that's completely fair.

If there are two Macbooks of the same spec they should be expected to perform the same tasks equally well.

If some people are reporting issues with basic tasks and others are reporting there aren't any issues, then the explanations are:

1. The tasks are different - in which case it would be interesting to know which tasks were causing problems and under which circumstances.

2. The people reporting issues are maybe being a bit picky.

3. The machines with issues are faulty.

I read that these Macbooks were incapable of playing 1080 video on YT, but I've been able to play 4K without stuttering. Go figure.

 

[mashinhead]

I don't think that's completely fair.

If there are two Macbooks of the same spec they should be expected to perform the same tasks equally well.

If some people are reporting issues with basic tasks and others are reporting there aren't any issues, then the explanations are:

1. The tasks are different - in which case it would be interesting to know which tasks were causing problems and under which circumstances.

2. The people reporting issues are maybe being a bit picky.

3. The machines with issues are faulty.

I read that these Macbooks were incapable of playing 1080 video on YT, but I've been able to play 4K without stuttering. Go figure.

We'll maybe there is an issue with a small amount. To be fair mine was open box so maybe that's why the dude returned it previous to me. I will try mine for a week or so more, maybe try the 1.3 but if that doesn't work out, I'm just going to wait for V2.

 

[rahulr]

We'll its hard to make that argument because you're basically saying your experience trumps everyone else's. If a lot of people are complaining about lag then that means it's a pattern. That means it's an issue. You don't get to dismiss that because it isn't happening to you.

It's pretty arrogant to sit there and say "Stop complaining about lag because it isn't happening to me." You sound like some rich dude acting like people that don't have as much money as you don't have a right to complain about their issues as a result of it. (I'm using that as an analagous example, I'm not saying this is you)

And I don't think it's too much to expect that this computer should handle those tasks with ease, I would imagine you'd agree.

In my case sometimes those tasks are fine and sometimes they are just bottlenecked and slow.

With all due respect the same could be said about your opinions. When reading the forums, which will always sway negative because people here are looking for help, or looking for an outlet. The screaming voice always gets heard over the silent or even the whispers.

I think plenty of people are perfectly happy with this machine. I personally came from a rMBP 13.3 and have noticed zero issues.

I do believe lag to be an OS problem overall, someone posted here about how windows 10 on the rMB is amazing. Someone also posted how 10.10.4 fixes lag.

So while I think both sides of this argument may have some merit, I think there are many more with the rMB who are more than satisfied and the forums here aren't an accurate representation of that.

 

[MH01]

OMG not the lag!

It's a laptop for daily use not a Call of Duty tournament where FPS = more kills.

I'm sure you would not mind a car that stalled while driving , as its not a formula one race right ?

 

[MagicBoy]

I'm sure you would not mind a car that stalled while driving , as its not a formula one race right ?

A car that stalls while driving is a safety issue. I know, I've experienced it. Not even remotely comparable.

Obligatory

 

[burgman]

We'll its hard to make that argument because you're basically saying your experience trumps everyone else's. If a lot of people are complaining about lag then that means it's a pattern. That means it's an issue. You don't get to dismiss that because it isn't happening to you.

It's pretty arrogant to sit there and say "Stop complaining about lag because it isn't happening to me." You sound like some rich dude acting like people that don't have as much money as you don't have a right to complain about their issues as a result of it. (I'm using that as an analagous example, I'm not saying this is you)

And I don't think it's too much to expect that this computer should handle those tasks with ease, I would imagine you'd agree.

In my case sometimes those tasks are fine and sometimes they are just bottlenecked and slow.

I don't think its arrogant to call posters out when their complaints are so over the top on how poorly a machine functions. Then at the end you say it's an open box returned item. So I assume you wiped it and reinstalled the OS, or it is defective. Your "analogous example" makes no sense unless you mean people who challenge your (and others) claims are vapid silly privilaged people. Who is being arrogant, sounds like you are.

 

[iBilal]

I think it's a brilliant notebook. It's a vision of the future, as we increasingly move towards cloud computing .. Apple is always a step ahead .. it reinvented the way we use our phone .. it reinvented how we consume the web, with the iPad .. and, now, it's going to reinvent the way we compute ..

and what lag? .. I mean my rMBP can lag at times .. sometimes there's this kernal stuck thing that happens (very rare) .. but if I have 20+ tabs open, it lags .. not too much .. but it does ..

 

[newellj]

I'm not sure what computer you are using, but the MacBook I have can do basic tasks just fine, including safari and youtube. The amount of moaning on this forum about "lag" is amazing. Examples I've seen posted about stuttering webpages, etc... produce the same results on a 13" MBP, so it's not a function of the MacBook.

It's fine if a computer is not for you, but things like it can't keep up with basic tasks is just wrong. If yours really can't do this than take it to Apple, there is something wrong with it.

Agree, mine did a lot more than "basic" tasks without any issues, other than the same UI issues I can induce in the same circumstances on my rMBP.

 

[Suxamethonium]

Agree, mine did a lot more than "basic" tasks without any issues, other than the same UI issues I can induce in the same circumstances on my rMBP.

Agree as well. I have no idea where the lag issues come from, maybe there is a gulf of difference with the 1.2 vs 1.1, but I can;
- use safari or chrome
- view videos
- do word processing
- prepare highly graphically intensive presentations
- work with large spreadsheets
- use a VNC client from anywhere to my workplace
- perform complex statistical calculations
- work on photos in Lightroom, Photoshop and pixelmator

Is it the fastest machine on the planet? No. Can I induce lag in the UI? Yes, but I can induce the same on my rMBP in the same scenarios, and it is nowhere near as portable.

Anyway to each their own. If you think the air is superior than buy one. Me, I am happy with my MacBook, it has confined my rMBP to the desk as I can bring this machine everywhere.

What more can I want?

 

[seong]

I know of no developer who thinks rMB can't perform their daily tasks. I bet all the negative comments are coming from users who use Mac Pros everyday

 

[bounou]

how many of you got the rMB?

anyone with buyer's remorse?

Very prone to buyers remorse, i think for me the process of getting the thing is more enjoyable then having it often.

I can honestly since then i just LOVE this thing.

In fairness i have pretty limited needs from my laptop but the only real complaints are battery life when using Chrome (seriously Google?!?!) and the 480p camera, not that I actually use it but still feels lame.

Love everything else.

 

[glhiii]

Just upgraded to the newest 10.10.4 beta. It seems much less laggy, more responsive.

 

[shenan1982]

We'll its hard to make that argument because you're basically saying your experience trumps everyone else's. If a lot of people are complaining about lag then that means it's a pattern. That means it's an issue. You don't get to dismiss that because it isn't happening to you.

It's a common problem around here. "If it's not happening to everyone it's only happening to you" ... LOL... god forbid these people ever go into the research field. LOL... they'll take one sample and close their project. LOL

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I know of no developer who thinks rMB can't perform their daily tasks. I bet all the negative comments are coming from users who use Mac Pros everyday

Surely if you talk to a Lamborghini owner they'll agree that a Toyota is simply incapable of getting on a freeway with its lackluster acceleration and performance. LOL

 

[drsox]

A car that stalls while driving is a safety issue. I know, I've experienced it. Not even remotely comparable.

Obligatory

Me too. I also had a car that "coughed" occasionally. Also scary but I had a cam shaft sensor changed and it went away. Next car will be a Merc I'm pleased to say.

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I'm sure you would not mind a car that stalled while driving , as its not a formula one race right ?

Rubbish.

 

[MagicBoy]

Me too. I also had a car that "coughed" occasionally. Also scary but I had a cam shaft sensor changed and it went away. Next car will be a Merc I'm pleased to say.

Crank sensor in my case. After it cut out on a motorway off-slip for the third time it went in to get diagnosed. No power steering or power brakes when a roundabout is heading towards you at 60mph isn't my idea of fun.

Same car also had a coolant temp sensor that went awry in rush hour traffic a couple of years earlier. Engine wanted to idle at 4500rpm and it would do 85mph with my feet off the pedals.

Turn of the century Volkswagens with petrol engines didn't have the most reliable engine electronics when new...

 

[seong]

Surely if you talk to a Lamborghini owner they'll agree that a Toyota is simply incapable of getting on a freeway with its lackluster acceleration and performance. LOL

And the engineers who make those cars will agree that both are capable of serving its own designated customers.

 

[Beau10]

I'm sure you would not mind a car that stalled while driving , as its not a formula one race right ?

Err... before SSDs became common-place every computer stalled like crazy.

Seriously, as a software dev I remember the day I upgrade to an Intel x25m back in 2008 or so. Had an 8 core 3.33 x-treme desktop, a 15k drive, and was used to waiting probably 3-4 seconds every time I attempted to switch applications, 5+ second app boot times. That all virtually disappeared in an instant. *That* kind of waiting is absolutely nothing like the graphical rendering stutters a ULV IGP pushing 5+ million virtual pixels out.