Or even more fundamentally, both are completely capable of getting ANYONE to the grocery store, to the airport, around town, and to do what a normal consumer wants to do, LOL
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Or even more fundamentally, both are completely capable of getting ANYONE to the grocery store, to the airport, around town, and to do what a normal consumer wants to do, LOL
EXACTLY! I just finished making a website for a client of mine, and it worked just fine
EXACTLY! I just finished making a website for a client of mine, and it worked just fine
Surely the website must be underpowered and lag. They say the power of this laptop is like a 2011 computer.. and there was no internet or web pages then. ;-)
The MacBooks problem is not SSD though
.Either way, lagging on a system in 2015 that costs as much as the MB is not acceptable . We even expect out mobile phones to be lag free.
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You believe websites are run of portable laptops ?
I agree with MH01, it isn't acceptable to just cast aside people's complaints about the laggy UI and say "oh but it happens on the MBPr too! So it's no problem!" Nope, that doesn't make it acceptable. When an ipad air 2 half the price of the Macbook has a considerably smoother UI we have a problem. When you pay this much for a machine you shouldn't have to suffer lag. It was a problem on the MBPr 13" and it's even worse with this one, Apple need to work on it. I think a lot of people here are just trying to make excuses for the Macbook and defending their purchase though so I understand.
Show me a video where the UI is actually smooth on the Macbook and I will believe you that it doesn't lag. Opening folders with a large number of apps, switching between 1080p video and other apps by swiping, other animations etc. The experience deteriorates doing any of these and brings the whole premium feel down. I've never seen such a video, even the ones claiming to be proof that they don't lag have lag.
Show me a video where the UI is actually smooth on the Macbook and I will believe you that it doesn't lag. Opening folders with a large number of apps, switching between 1080p video and other apps by swiping, other animations etc. The experience deteriorates doing any of these and brings the whole premium feel down. I've never seen such a video, even the ones claiming to be proof that they don't lag have lag.
I love buyers remorse. Thats why I just spent $2401 on an underpowered phaptop
Srsly though, I'm coming from an anti-glare mid 2010 MBP 15 inch. I think i'll survive. The only thing i'm sweating is the smaller screen.
Srsly though, I'm coming from an anti-glare mid 2010 MBP 15 inch. I think i'll survive. The only thing i'm sweating is the smaller screen.
I'd think a lot of the UI lag is on the software side rather than hardware though when even an iPad can run 1080p video without a sweat, no?
I don't have my rMB yet but when I do get it I'll be playing around with it and will decide between it or upgrading my 2012 15" rMBP.
I don't have my rMB yet but when I do get it I'll be playing around with it and will decide between it or upgrading my 2012 15" rMBP.
Which is unacceptable, and this one does it worse. I compared while I was at the Apple Store. Software problem or hardware problem Apple must do something about it.
A better car analogy might be turbo lag. Some expensive performance cars are sluggish off the line until the turbo spins up, then it takes off like a rocket a few seconds later. Still has a good 0-60 time and still gets you to the grocery store, but not nearly as pleasing to drive as a car with linear acceleration (which turbo configurations can achieve). But luckily we aren't so invested into ecosystems with cars.
Got bad news for you. My brand new 2015 13" rMBP 2.9 has the same stall when switching desktops. I didn't really see any other issues in that video, and I certainly didn't see anything rendering the computer unusable as some are saying.
Maybe Apple's marriage of software and hardware isn't as happy as everyone says? How hard is it to write software than runs well on hardware you spec? Maybe they should avoid doing things that look crappy on most of their hardware. It doesn't affect usability but it sure affects the experience and perception.
Were you watching this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ia3l0oWbY
My current macbook does not have this lag, but 2 others did. It is not normal by any means. If you proclaim that as normal, bad news....something is not right. I have two videos on youtube from two different rMB with very different UI lag.
This is the video I watched that claims "no lag" but has lag: http://youtu.be/uaZ8Z8OxQtc
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He isn't opening folders with lots of applications in that vid, which is a good way to see the lag.
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It is unacceptable for a machine that costs this much. The ipad air 2 has a considerably smoother UI.
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He isn't opening folders with lots of applications in that vid, which is a good way to see the lag.
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It is unacceptable for a machine that costs this much. The ipad air 2 has a considerably smoother UI.
Same settings as far as scaling, transparency, etc.? That can make a significant difference.
I bought and returned the 1.3. Why? Yes, I agree with you that the MB can perform the tasks you mentioned above. But there is A CATCH. You can't do all these tasks at once. The MB is very poor in multitasking. In personal tests, the 1.3 MB is hyper lag and slow during my stress tests, where I ran Parallel Win 7 (with Excel + Word running) + Keynote + Safari + iTunes + Photoshop + Statistical software simultaneously.
My 2013 MBA performs these tasks without a single glitch. If you just run one app at a time, there is no significant different in performance between MB and MBA. For example, with a mere 1-2 background apps running, MB and MBA take the same amount of time to execute a photoshop task. However, when there are heaps of background apps, the MB struggles to catch up with MBA's superior performance.
I am not remorse as I can return it to Apple. I am just disappointed that the MB, to me, is an underpowered machine that suits for very basic single task oriented computing. As much as I love MB's superior screen and sexy footprint, I have to let it go. Meet the MB again in V2 or V3.
My verdict: Get the MB if you don't need to do extreme multitasking computing.
Then you might as well buy an ipad air 2 which has a considerably a smoother user interface and buy a keyboard for it. And jailbreak it for multitasking.
UI lag
Check my lag! I'm on a 1.3GHz running 10.10.4, transparency disabled and display set to look like 1440x900. See this video, it clearly lags/stutters when switching in preferences. Note the processor is between 10-15%. Can anyone who are NOT seeing lag on their 12" replicate this and see how they perform? Thx
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4g1w86z97u52a1/12" 1.3ghz UI lag.mov?dl=0
Check my lag! I'm on a 1.3GHz running 10.10.4, transparency disabled and display set to look like 1440x900. See this video, it clearly lags/stutters when switching in preferences. Note the processor is between 10-15%. Can anyone who are NOT seeing lag on their 12" replicate this and see how they perform? Thx
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4g1w86z97u52a1/12" 1.3ghz UI lag.mov?dl=0
I don't own a MB, but have played with one on a few occasions at an Apple store. To me the UI smoothness is pretty close to my late 2014 13" rMBP.
All Apple retina laptops have lag - it's been this way since the first 15" rMBP (which I think it much better now but the difference is still obvious when using an MBA back to back). HiDPI is a crazy amount of work... depending on what "looks like" it upscales to 4x that resolution in the background, then it downscales it to the target appearance. If you try any of these virtual resolutions in non-HiDPI lag is a non-issue.
Exactly.
My 2012 rMBP 15" is laggy and stuttery, compared to this 2015 rMB. The new MacBook is fast and responsive.
Which does tell me I need to do a bit of fine-tuning on my rMBP, but nevertheless, the response on the rMB is just fine.
My one-liner view of it is: there is no lag.
That is true. I have a 15 retina and I do experience the graphic lag, mind you it is not ideal, though apple has improved it since it first launched . And to be honest i forgot about the lag, as I had huge issues with the wifi for a long time. All working fine now, but it took quite a few software updates to sort .
I drive a turbodiesel nowadays. Drive it properly and you won't get caught off boost. That said, I've been known to provoke the turbo lag, then grin like a madman when getting pushed back into my seat very hard...
Each to their own I guess.