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Re: Re: The scale

Originally posted by manitoubalck
I agree there are many terible programs ot there, Hence I try before I buy(download the app) and then sometimes forget to buy:rolleyes: opps?.

My PC is 4 years old in Feb, and I won't lie to you; I've had problems, but in fixing thoses hardware and software glitches, and building and re-building my and other's machines several times (mostly just to swap cases, or building machines for friends) I have become a more informed user. I don't have the luxuray of calling up a help desk, I just have to nut it out myself.:)
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That's my point, for important projects and data, I use my Mac because I can't call the help desk at home, I don't want to nut it out if there's a nice solution that runs all the time. I own an old Jeep and a Ford Focus SVT. Why? The Jeep is fun to tinker with, but if I have to get somewhere on time I drive the SVT. PCs are great to fiddle with, but when something absolutely must get done my PB rocks the house.
 
Originally posted by manitoubalck
What it with mac fans and DELL's, I wouldn't be caught dead using a DELL. Take the challenge build your own machine.:D
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It is nice building your own machine. I've built my last three. Kind of a satisfaction. Think Dells just a Universal example used though lol.
 
Re: Market Share

Originally posted by hulugu
I know that MS has often emphasized its total marketshare by using total copies shipped
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I'm pretty sure most of Asia (bootleg capital of the world) uses windows. That's a good 2.5billion people or so, howeer most wouldn't own a computer.

People don't want to speed $2000AUD on a computer in Australia, they want to spend less than $1000, and in this case apple can't compete. Not with the Big players (DELL, HP, etc...) they're just as bad, but with the local computer store who can peice together a system with DVD-ROM, CD RW, 60GB HDD, AMD 2500+, Gigabyte/MSI/ASUS motherboard, 512MD DDR333 RAM, Radeon 9000 and a case for around $900.

Apple can't compete with this because the cost of there overheads (shop location, advertising, Slick staff, etc) are just too high. Where I buy my parts the sales staff can hardly speak english, but when the cash is raised the prices fall.

Just a thought.
 
manitoubalck-
Calling me childish ain't a great way to make your point. ;)

My goal here is for you to see how your attitude and posts bring out the worst the forum has to offer. We've had plenty of PC trolls come through and we send them on their merry way when the get out of hand. For you to say, "Gee whiz, quit picking on me" comes off pretty weak. Nothing personal, you're just dealing with the shrapnel from those who have come before you. Try some other Mac sites (MacNN, SpyMac, etc.) and see how far you get. ;)

I bring up Dell because both Dell and Apple distribute systems and Dell is the number 1 PC distributor (along with HP, but they're new and have less of a history of copying Apple). Since you can't build a Mac from parts (without a whole lot of scouring eBay), it's not a valid comparison. Comparing apples to apples...

Oh yeah, and I've built 3 PCs, all AMD based. :p
 
Re: Re: Market Share

Originally posted by manitoubalck
I'm pretty sure most of Asia (bootleg capital of the world) uses windows. That's a good 2.5billion people or so, howeer most wouldn't own a computer.

People don't want to speed $2000AUD on a computer in Australia, they want to spend less than $1000, and in this case apple can't compete. Not with the Big players (DELL, HP, etc...) they're just as bad, but with the local computer store who can peice together a system with DVD-ROM, CD RW, 60GB HDD, AMD 2500+, Gigabyte/MSI/ASUS motherboard, 512MD DDR333 RAM, Radeon 9000 and a case for around $900.

Apple can't compete with this because the cost of there overheads (shop location, advertising, Slick staff, etc) are just too high. Where I buy my parts the sales staff can hardly speak english, but when the cash is raised the prices fall.

Just a thought.
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I was also under the impression that China was making its own OS, and many places were beginning to accept Linux instead.
 
*nix variants are starting to become much more widely used in Asia and Europe as countries find MS' agreements to be undesirable.

FYI, there are versions of Linux that run on Macs, too. So much for the "no choice in OS" theory...
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
manitoubalck-
Calling me childish ain't a great way to make your point. ;)

My goal here is for you to see how your attitude and posts bring out the worst the forum has to offer. We've had plenty of PC trolls come through and we send them on their merry way when the get out of hand. For you to say, "Gee whiz, quit picking on me" comes off pretty weak. Nothing personal, you're just dealing with the shrapnel from those who have come before you. Try some other Mac sites (MacNN, SpyMac, etc.) and see how far you get. ;)
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I didn't say stop picking on me, I said just don't attack me for no good reason. Feel free to point out holes in my arguments and drill them home.
On this fourm Not once have I said Windows is better than OS X, and not once have I said that x86 is better than the PowerPC. I endeavour to offer fair and informed comments, not wild accusations. I offer a different opinion to most, yes; but I back up what I choose to say, and attempt to respond to any CONSTRUCTIVE comments in an effort for others to undertand my position.

Rower have a look at this...
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45519
Post 14 from maxvamp is the first person to constructivly tell me why they belive the AMD chips are flawed. He makes many good points, many of which I agree with. I can accept the critsism because they offers an informed opinion into why the intel chips are more advanced than the AMD chips. I could easily argue the other way but that would be out of place on this fourm.

P.S: your proviking tactics aren't working.
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Yes, statements such as "mac users don't know better" and your sig are very informed and constructive. :rolleyes:

Who's provoking who here?
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I can't remember saying 'mac users don't know better,' I changed my sig to something more to your tastes:D
 
Unlike Rower; you see the lighter side Sun Baked,

Rower, No and no,
The post in 3U Xserve was expalined and the other post about burnig CD's was to make a point about not only using apple software.
 
I do see the lighter side, and if you knew who he was referring to, you probably wouldn't be.

In both those cases you were neither being informative nor constructive and your comments were along the lines of "mac users don't know better", unless I'm not understanding some vagaries of Australian english.

As it is, this is way OT and unnecessary for public discussion. Let's not pursue this further.
 
Since the Cubs lost the Pennant, I feel that for my mental health's sake, to find something to hate. Because I use a Dell laptop at work with XP professional and has caught a cold not once, but twice last May, I have decided, strictly medicinal purposes, to hate MS. I also blame MS for slow download speeds, printer errors, sunspots, high humidity, and demonic possessions. There.... I have said it: Microsoft is the sole arbiter of eeviil of the world. Feel free to hate. No go on and take on the day!:cool:
 
I was just telling my wife how much I love my new iMac. I have used PCs since my Vic20 when I was 10 years old. I always felt like I had to futz with it. In fact, that was what made it difficult for me to "switch". I understood Windows and how to tweak it to my liking. I worried that I would be hopelessly lost going over to a Mac. When I got the computer home and booted up. I found out really quickly that I didn't need to play with the settings or preferences. It "just worked". (Is it just me or has this catch phrase become overworked?) I was really impressed. In fact, I am verturing into Applescripts territory now (Anybody know of a good book to teach myself with). I am so facinated with this program. Is my iMac slower than my 2gHz Dell lapop? I don't know. Does the lack of expansion bother me? No but I have owned laptps for the past 5 years so lack of expansion is no big deal. What about games? I love to play games, but my iMac plays Unreal 2003 very well as well as Diablo 2. I am happy. Besides, I will probably buy a PS2 this Winter. Bottom line FOR ME: my iMac has made computing more fun. I love to sit in front of my computer and... play. I don't have that exprience with my 'other' computer.

By the way, I think that it is kind of cheap to blame the user of the OS for all of its problems. Bill Gates did this a couple of days ago by saying that all of Windows problems can be traced back to the user. It seems to me that an open port exploitation that shuts down a large protion of the 'net is a result of bad coding and not a user issue. If I want to ENSURE that I never get a bug, then I need to spend a 20-30 minutes a day at the MS website downloading the lastest security patch. That is a problem. I blame poor coding. I don't remember whose sig. it is but it states some thing about Micorsoft's ability to get people to expect mediocrity in their OS. I think that hits the nail on the head.

Am I a mac zealot. I don't think so. But I am very happy with my recent purchase. To each his own I guess. But please stop blaming the user for problems that should be attributed to the poor quality of the OS.
 
Originally posted by asphalt-proof
I also blame MS for slow download speeds, printer errors, sunspots, high humidity, and demonic possessions. There.... I have said it: Microsoft is the sole arbiter of eeviil of the world.
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Rower, While he is no doubt joking my point stands strong, but I do agree that the post saying"Crawl out from underneath your shell" was uncalled for, however the other one was on topic and relivant.

Time to call it a day, I'll agree on that to. Until next post, good day:) This ones just for you:D
 

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Originally posted by manitoubalck
As you mentioned there are REAL benifits of the apple mac, as there are REAL benifits of the x86 platform, but currently the benifits of the apple mac are not strong enough to pull me over. Sorry;)
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I kinda have a newfound respect for you for the first part. But the second part has me wondering why you (and leet, and Aiden, and others) bother coming here. If you know that Apple is not for you, why are you here? This has been asked, I know, and kind-of answered, but really... why bother?

Leet, you say you've used a Mac... and it's not for you. Ok. But it is for us. You see, this is MacRumors. We come here to talk about Apple (and complain about them when they p*ss us off). Some of us even dislike M$ for various reasons. Most of them valid. Most of the time when someone says something wrong, we correct them. Most of us use both.

So, I guess all I'm saying is if you like PCs (Vlade, I'm looking at you), and/or don't like Apple, can you at least admit that there may be a reason we actually like them? Maybe Windows doesn't do it for us. Maybe there are people out there that would actually like Apple if they had a chance to see what they had to offer over Windows.

Most of us are very familiar with what PCs have to offer, thank you very much, some of us just think Macs are better (at least, for some things).
 
Originally posted by solvs
But the second part has me wondering why you (and leet, and Aiden, and others) bother coming here. If you know that Apple is not for you, why are you here?
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I like to keep up on both sides of the computer worlds. :D
 
Hey leet1 I thought you were going to tell me why the PC was any good in your opinion and couldn't a smart pro-PC guy like you find some marketshare data.
Besides, I think home and pro markets should tell us where all these computers are going and whether or not Apple is a true niche player or a jack-of-all-trades.
BTW, for everyone, I don't mind people like leet1 posting their pro-PC opinion it keeps the fire in our bellies so to speak.
Also, Dell/HP/etc. are the only way to compare the PC to Apple because to use the home-built numbers is grossly unfair. I know everyone who has built a PC has done so for around 900, but that's just raw parts cost, that doesn't add in the cost of your time, which if its a hobby you're basically working for free, otherwise you have to account for the number of hours you're working to build this machine as part of the overall cost.
Plus, you can't build a laptop or an all-in-one anyways.
 
Originally posted by hulugu
Also, Dell/HP/etc. are the only way to compare the PC to Apple because to use the home-built numbers is grossly unfair. I know everyone who has built a PC has done so for around 900, but that's just raw parts cost, that doesn't add in the cost of your time, which if its a hobby you're basically working for free, otherwise you have to account for the number of hours you're working to build this machine as part of the overall cost.
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Agreed but I also build comuters for family friends, and anyone elso who pays me a $50AUD build fee, + the labour charge of installing the sofware they want. Total cost is usually around $90 for a complete custom build machine. Still works out cheaper than buying a DELL/HP or wahtever from a 'glossy' department store.

If I could buy the parts for a mac
~$1300AUD for a G5 2GHz,
~$600AUD for the MOBO
(Prices are VERY rough guesses)
I would, I just don't want to pay a premium for all the other parts, eg RAM, Optical and harddrives etc...
 
Originally posted by hulugu
Plus, you can't build a laptop or an all-in-one anyways.
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Well....you can build a laptop, but when i priced it, I wouldn't have ended up saving much at all.

You basically buy a shell that includes lcd/board/optical drive/keyboard/battery and you go shopping for cpu/hard drive/ memory.

Ended up just buying a Compaq, after rebates only cost $800 with a 2 year warrantee.
 
have to agree here i spent a lot of time sorting out my PC from day one picking the case picking the right mother board picking the right sound card video card etc etc granted i did this all of my own back i dont do factory lines yet but iam getting there lol .. I spend roughly 4 hours at anyone time sorting out all the bits and bobs to get a system from the ground upwords. take in the times of formating drive installing OS'S Softwrae etc its a fair old amount of time.

A Mac also takes some time to install software as well abot an hour at least for most people for any OS i maybe wrong on older OS's as ive only ever used 10.2

but i do like the Mac for its all in one systems easy to get to memory but as for other bits in an all in one system bit tricky but it can be done and its satasfying to watch . only watched one apple fixer and what i saw i Liked not to messy not packed just right the way PC should be..

Over all There is only one major diffrince between Macs and PCs thats the names that are on the Cases lol
 
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