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just relax man.

Apparantly you can use the single user version on one desktop, and one laptop. How about two laptops?

An extra fifty dollars is a waste of my valuable money!!! lol

Where did you get the idea that you can use the single on one notebook and one desktop? As far as I know, it's limited to one Mac total.
 
just relax man.

Apparantly you can use the single user version on one desktop, and one laptop. How about two laptops?

An extra fifty dollars is a waste of my valuable money!!! lol

no you cant. a single license is for one computer. you are confusing apple's policy with microsofts.


50 dollars really isnt that much......less than one 360 game or 9 chipoltle burritoes or 6 carwashes...

or you can try it and see what happens to
 
installing my Leopard DVD on my Imac?

Hello guys

I ordered my macbook this night. when it comes, does anyone know that can i also install the leopard DVD that comes with my macbook on my Imac G5?

Is their a way of installing it to my Imac?

Or do I need to buy another Leoaprd DVD for my Imac G5?

thanks...
 
Recovery or Install

Hello guys

I ordered my macbook this night. when it comes, does anyone know that can i also install the leopard DVD that comes with my macbook on my Imac G5?

Is their a way of installing it to my Imac?

Or do I need to buy another Leoaprd DVD for my Imac G5?

thanks...

If it is a recovery DVD then I think not, but if it is a full featured DVD then it could work. I think you would run afoul of the license however.
 
Thanks for your reply vansouza

I bought my Imac with Tiger pre installed (DVD)

And my macbook will come with original leopard DVD.

I am a little bit confused. Some says that Leopard DVD coming with my macbook is confined to one MAC and that is my macbook that I ordered.

What if I try to install the same original leopard DVD to my Imac?

Imac doesnt allow me to install that leopard DVD to install?

or can i just simple install it ?

or does my imac understand that that Leopard DVD is only for my macbook?

Thanks ...
 
Thanks for your reply vansouza

I bought my Imac with Tiger pre installed (DVD)

And my macbook will come with original leopard DVD.

I am a little bit confused. Some says that Leopard DVD coming with my macbook is confined to one MAC and that is my macbook that I ordered.

What if I try to install the same original leopard DVD to my Imac?

Imac doesnt allow me to install that leopard DVD to install?

or can i just simple install it ?

or does my imac understand that that Leopard DVD is only for my macbook?

Thanks ...

The disk that comes with your macbook is indeed intended only for the macbook. This is because the disk is considered a "free upgrade." If you install Leopard on your iMac, you are technically in violation of Apple's policy. If you really want to have Leopard on your iMac, I suggest you go out and buy a copy. If you don't think it'll be worth it, then just leave it with Tiger.
 
Really not sure...

Thanks for your reply vansouza

I bought my Imac with Tiger pre installed (DVD)

And my macbook will come with original leopard DVD.

I am a little bit confused. Some says that Leopard DVD coming with my macbook is confined to one MAC and that is my macbook that I ordered.

What if I try to install the same original leopard DVD to my Imac?

Imac doesnt allow me to install that leopard DVD to install?

or can i just simple install it ?

or does my imac understand that that Leopard DVD is only for my macbook?

Thanks ...

I just don't know how transposeble(sp) your DVDs are. I have always read, and assumed, that the disks that come with the specific unit are unit specific.

If someone with specific knowledge does not speak up you are going to have to experiment and let us all know for sure. Sorry, and good luck.
 
If someone with specific knowledge does not speak up you are going to have to experiment and let us all know for sure. Sorry, and good luck.

Well even if someone did know, it would really be against the rules for them to post about it. If anyone wants to try, we can't stop them, but we certainly won't help them do it.
 
Whoa...

Well even if someone did know, it would really be against the rules for them to post about it. If anyone wants to try, we can't stop them, but we certainly won't help them do it.

This forum had a front page article on Cat Night about a forum member in Germany who had stolen a copy of Leopard and installed it. Debate wore numbing on about the correctness of that posting; but because we were all anxious for any word on the New Cat a blind eye was turned. (My opinion, remembering I have a degree in Moral Theology).

If I understand this persons question correctly he already owns the Apple hardware and software. He intends to upgrade his new machine with Leopard and take the install DVD that came with that unit and install it on an older unit. All of which he owns and which will have only one install per unit. How is that against the rules? Or as is usual for me did I misunderstand something?
 
arn differentiates between discussion/mention of license violations and soliciting/providing help on how to commit said license violations via workarounds. So people are free to discuss the pros and cons of violating the license by installing a single user license on more than one Mac.

Getting back to the poster's question, if your MacBook comes with Leopard preinstalled, it will be as a set of restore discs that can only install on similar MacBook models. It will not install on your iMac, and so you will need to buy a single Leopard license for that machine.

If the MacBook instead comes with Tiger pre-installed and a drop-in Leopard upgrade disc, it should install on both machines, although the license only allows you to do so on one machine.

Now, if you were to ask how to hack the contents of the MacBook-specific restore disc to allow you to install it on the iMac, that would not be allowed here.
 
I understand

Thanks both of you Cal Boy and Vansouza


Sorry if I was not very clear.

I already own Imac G5 with Tiger (original one).

I ordered macbook with leopard, not arrived yet.

I want to install that leopard (comes with macbook) to my Imac G5 too.

BUt according to apple policy and CalBoy I think it means violating the rules.

So, then there is no option for me to upgrade from Tiger to Leopard for a discounted price. I have to buy Leopard!. Hmmmm.. OK. I understand

I will try to install the Leopard Disc (comes with macbook) to my Imac G5 if a message comes up during the installation stating that it is against the rules then i cancel the installation and buy Leopard

Thank you guys...
 
True. However, please don't do it. Apple doesn't do this at this point because it trusts its customers. By resorting to illegal means, you will harm others by forcing them to bother with activation codes, etc. Keep it above board, please :)

I think everyone's claims about Apple being nice because piracy is not rampant among Apple software are a little head-in-the-sand-ish. Apple doesn't really fight against piracy (let alone EULA abuse) because they know you are using their hardware, which is where they make most of their money. Microsoft is a software company, and thus has to take actions to protect their single income source. Apple is a hardware company that makes software to further their hardware sales. They give you the option of giving you more money, but it seems lately they have taken an unofficial lackadaisical stance on piracy for the consumer software products (OS X, iLife, iWork, etc.) because you have to have Mac hardware to run it.

Additionally, with regard to the EULA's, they are known legally as "shrink-wrapped contracts", and are usually included to keep their bases covered but have not been proven to be legally binding. For instance, if you bought Leopard, open it at home, read the EULA, and then find you disagree with the terms, you still cannot return it to the store (probably not even at an Apple store). If an Apple store refuses return of an opened copy of their own software because you don't agree to the shrink-wrapped EULA, then they have in effect voided their own EULA. Somebody should try this, actually, to see if this is in fact the case. For the most part, companies put EULA's in because every other company puts EULA's in, and nobody wants to seem like they don't care (most of them are very boilerplate).
 
Thanks

arn differentiates between discussion/mention of license violations and soliciting/providing help on how to commit said license violations via workarounds. So people are free to discuss the pros and cons of violating the license by installing a single user license on more than one Mac.

Getting back to the poster's question, if your MacBook comes with Leopard preinstalled, it will be as a set of restore discs that can only install on similar MacBook models. It will not install on your iMac, and so you will need to buy a single Leopard license for that machine.

If the MacBook instead comes with Tiger pre-installed and a drop-in Leopard upgrade disc, it should install on both machines, although the license only allows you to do so on one machine.

Now, if you were to ask how to hack the contents of the MacBook-specific restore disc to allow you to install it on the iMac, that would not be allowed here.

Thank you for the clarity and for your understanding.
 
...Additionally, with regard to the EULA's, they are known legally as "shrink-wrapped contracts", and are usually included to keep their bases covered but have not been proven to be legally binding......

not exactly true......court cases have indeed found them to be legally binding
 
not exactly true......court cases have indeed found them to be legally binding

...in the USA, under certain conditions, and assuming terms pass certain tests. I guess you are thinking of ProCD v. Zeidenberg and cases which refer to it, in which case one sentence that immediately jumps out to me as putting Apple EULAs in hot water is:
Notice on the outside, terms on the inside, and a right to return the software for a refund if the terms are unacceptable (a right that the license expressly extends), may be a means of doing business valuable to buyers and sellers alike.
 
I think everyone's claims about Apple being nice because piracy is not rampant among Apple software are a little head-in-the-sand-ish. Apple doesn't really fight against piracy (let alone EULA abuse) because they know you are using their hardware, which is where they make most of their money. Microsoft is a software company, and thus has to take actions to protect their single income source. Apple is a hardware company that makes software to further their hardware sales. They give you the option of giving you more money, but it seems lately they have taken an unofficial lackadaisical stance on piracy for the consumer software products (OS X, iLife, iWork, etc.) because you have to have Mac hardware to run it.

Additionally, with regard to the EULA's, they are known legally as "shrink-wrapped contracts", and are usually included to keep their bases covered but have not been proven to be legally binding. For instance, if you bought Leopard, open it at home, read the EULA, and then find you disagree with the terms, you still cannot return it to the store (probably not even at an Apple store). If an Apple store refuses return of an opened copy of their own software because you don't agree to the shrink-wrapped EULA, then they have in effect voided their own EULA. Somebody should try this, actually, to see if this is in fact the case. For the most part, companies put EULA's in because every other company puts EULA's in, and nobody wants to seem like they don't care (most of them are very boilerplate).

I seem to remember PCGAMER magazine trying this with several game titles. In some cases the store accepted the return but in most the article's author was referred to the software manufacturer. Most issued a refund but some just sent a shrink wrapped copy that could be returned to the place of purchase. I think only one or two refused to take the software back because the use refused the EULA.

There was also something about some EULAs being available on company websites but testing proved this was rarely the case so the consumer was stuck if they opened the product and disagreed with the EULA terms.

Cheers,
 
I just don't know how transposeble(sp) your DVDs are. I have always read, and assumed, that the disks that come with the specific unit are unit specific.

If someone with specific knowledge does not speak up you are going to have to experiment and let us all know for sure. Sorry, and good luck.

I'm surprised there haven't been any replies to this message.

Test:

Macbook with Leopard, this is a newly released Macbook.
iMac aluminum that came with Tiger purchased when they first came out.

We took the MacBooks restore DVD, disk one and inserted it in the iMac running Tiger. The screen prompted us and gave us the choice to upgrade Tiger to Leopard. We chose the upgrade option. After rebooting, the iMac began upgrading Tiger to Leopard. After about an hour it was complete and the iMac was now upgraded to Leopard using the Macbooks restore DVD. All updates were able to be installed and the iMac is now running 10.5.2.

So, not only can any Mac computer use another computers restore disks, but they can also be used to upgrade a previous version to the current as was in out trial. All the software that was installed on Tiger continued to function and no files were lost whatsoever. All the functionality was retained.

Of course, this is against the software license and agreement which is why this was a test only.
 
I'm surprised there haven't been any replies to this message.

Test:

Macbook with Leopard, this is a newly released Macbook.
iMac aluminum that came with Tiger purchased when they first came out.

We took the MacBooks restore DVD, disk one and inserted it in the iMac running Tiger. The screen prompted us and gave us the choice to upgrade Tiger to Leopard. We chose the upgrade option. After rebooting, the iMac began upgrading Tiger to Leopard. After about an hour it was complete and the iMac was now upgraded to Leopard using the Macbooks restore DVD. All updates were able to be installed and the iMac is now running 10.5.2.

So, not only can any Mac computer use another computers restore disks, but they can also be used to upgrade a previous version to the current as was in out trial. All the software that was installed on Tiger continued to function and no files were lost whatsoever. All the functionality was retained.

Of course, this is against the software license and agreement which is why this was a test only.

Well that is I guess good to know. But would the same DVD work well in a clean install situation? Just wondering. I guess Apple is just that much nicer then M$; because I can not do that with XP.
 
i bought Leopard and installed it already...can it be used again on another Mac??? or it will only work as an install disk for my laptop that i installed it to...cuz i plan to sell it.
 
The license accompanying the single-user retail disc for Leopard allows you to install it on only one computer. If you sell the disc, you are required to uninstall Leopard from your computer. But there is nothing physically preventing you from installing it on multiple computers.
 
The license accompanying the single-user retail disc for Leopard allows you to install it on only one computer. If you sell the disc, you are required to uninstall Leopard from your computer. But there is nothing physically preventing you from installing it on multiple computers.

wow...when i bought Leopard, i actually though it was gonna give me a serial number. But it didnt, i want to sell it, but i wasnt sure if the person i sold it to would be able to install it. Plus, who would actually uninstall Leopard on their computer just to give it or sell it to someone else???
 
I'm surprised there haven't been any replies to this message.

Test:

Macbook with Leopard, this is a newly released Macbook.
iMac aluminum that came with Tiger purchased when they first came out.

We took the MacBooks restore DVD, disk one and inserted it in the iMac running Tiger. The screen prompted us and gave us the choice to upgrade Tiger to Leopard. We chose the upgrade option. After rebooting, the iMac began upgrading Tiger to Leopard. After about an hour it was complete and the iMac was now upgraded to Leopard using the Macbooks restore DVD. All updates were able to be installed and the iMac is now running 10.5.2.

So, not only can any Mac computer use another computers restore disks, but they can also be used to upgrade a previous version to the current as was in out trial. All the software that was installed on Tiger continued to function and no files were lost whatsoever. All the functionality was retained.

Of course, this is against the software license and agreement which is why this was a test only.

I don't think this is true in every case. Before I was aware of the terms of the license agreement, I took the copy of Leopard that came with my Dad's Mac Pro and tried installing an upgrade from Tiger on my Macbook Pro. I got a message that said something like 'OSX will not install on this mac'. I'm really not sure why this would occur if the discs weren't unit specific... after all, the disc did explicitly say 'Mac Pro Leopard' on it.

Your statement that all Leopard discs are the same worries me, since it means that I might not be able to install 10.5 even if I buy a new copy. Does anyone know what the deal is?
 
Family Pack or Single license?

I think I just got scammed.. I bought what I thought was a family pack from ebay and it's missing the outer box that say's "family pack" is there another way to tell? I'm really hoping there is. Jeff
 
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