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End this thread and admit iPhone is good but not great and a marketing blunder?

  • Yes - Redshovel is right!

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If i go out in public, and i'm using an iPhone, people will be like "Hey, that's an iPhone!". Now, if i go out in public with a Nokia N95, no one is basically going to say "Hey man, is that the new Nokia N95!?".

I dont want people to 'notice' my phone like that. People who wish that to happen are insecure sad little muppets with no life. The type who mask of their iPhone to cleam the chrome bit with Brasso. :p
 
The main problem with your posts is that you say that the iPhone is a "marketing failure".

I understand that you do not like the sales model of the iPhone but as I said earlier, even with the sales model that you may or may not like - the iPhone is the most successful selling mobile phone in recent times in the Western World.

Apple may have sold more iPhones had they have gone down the conventional mobile phone sales route or they could have sold less - we'll never know. But the way the sales model currently is shows nobody has sold anything like what Apple has sold in the time it has taken Apple to sell them.

Not only are there nearly 5 million genuine users, but these people also need to use and register iTunes accounts.

The term "marketing failure" is something you dreamt up simply to fan flames. The truth is very much the opposite, the iPhone is the biggest mobile phone marketing success we have had for quite some time.
 
I dont want people to 'notice' my phone like that. People who wish that to happen are insecure sad little muppets with no life. The type who mask of their iPhone to cleam the chrome bit with Brasso. :p

But Apple markets likes this, and it's successful.
 
3. I was feed up of people moaning that I keep on sending them two text messages with only one word in the second message. All this due to the iPhones lack of a simple character counter.

good point. i hadn't even thought about this until now. i send quite a lot of more expensive international texts and try to keep what i want to say in one text. this won't be so easy now i have iphone.
 
Just what we needed, another of these threads. It is the first of 2008 though. :rolleyes:

Spare us your trials and tribulations. The iPhone's limitations are well known, especially to European buyers as it was out in the US for almost 5 months prior. My only question, given these limitations, why the heck did you buy it? :rolleyes:
 
isnt a long text msg contradictory to the whole SHORT message system? I think some people want to use SMS as e-mail and that simply is not it.

i suppose so. but i sent texts to people who people in a certain country who generally don't have easy access to email.
 
Before I got the iPhone I was using a K800i with 3.2 MP camera. It performed just as well as my CyberShot 3.2MP digital Camera. My new N95 8GB sports a 5.0MP Carl Zeiss lens. It produces better results my freinds samsung 5MP stand alone camera. So your argument is void. Unless your a professional photographer you should not need to carry a seperate camera in this day and age. The camera on the iphone behind the times. Apple got this so so wrong. EDGE is ok but 3G leaves it for dead. Another bad apple. Hell with the Opera Mini Browser on my N95 8GB I can surf the web (FULL SIZE PAGES) faster on GPRS connect than an iPhone on EDGE!

sorry, unless there is something wrong with your friend's samsung there's no way it would be noisier and have worse colour balance etc. than the n95. There are plenty of comparisons on the web that bear that out. Also, given that there was a comparison posted on here a few weeks ago showing that the iPhone on edge rendered pages as fast as a nokia on 3g I find it hard to believe that the nokia on GPRS is faster than the iPhone on edge.

Still, at the end of the day if you don't like the phone you were right to change it. It'd be boring if there was only one phone on the market after all. :)
 
Actually...texts can only be a certain length so the original poster has a valid argument there. I believe its only like 150 characters or maybe up to 300. If it goes over that, the iPhone will split it up into two or even three messages if you send an essay for a text message. We may see it as one bubble in the text app but to whoever you sent it to will see it as seperate texts.

All cell phones split long messages into multiple texts. Some, like the iPhone, will reassemble those messages upon receipt. Presumably, the cool phones that the Thread Starter's friends use can't do that.
 
So... the 5 million units are poor compared to the imaginary projections in your head? Ok.

5 million units sold is an imaginary number. out there with the 700 000 units sold during the lauch weekend.
 
Well i'm sure you're gonna love
looking at your pictures
listening to your music
sending emails
browsing the real web
flawlessly syncing your infos from your mac
...on your N95
Plus you'll get to practice weight-lifting!!! what a lucky boy you are!!

J/k :) I really hate that phone, I took a look at it and found it nowhere intuitive and utterly clutter in my opinion.
But then if it fits your needs go with it.

That being said, you shall be cursed and regret it for the rest of your life :)
 
Sounds to me like the OP should've done more research before he jumped on the Apple bandwagon and bought the "newest toy out there". Could've saved him some heartache.
 
Well i'm sure you're gonna love
looking at your pictures
listening to your music
sending emails
browsing the real web
flawlessly syncing your infos from your mac
...on your N95
Plus you'll get to practice weight-lifting!!! what a lucky boy you are!!

J/k :) I really hate that phone, I took a look at it and found it nowhere intuitive and utterly clutter in my opinion.
But then if it fits your needs go with it.

That being said, you shall be cursed and regret it for the rest of your life :)

Yes, Yes, Yes, No (using a PC with it) and eh?.....have you seen the size and weight of the iPhone. Slimmer and better in a jeans pocket it might be but the N95 8GB fits better into the hand.
Plus guess what....you can change ringtones, sms tones, swap files, send MMS msgs and best of all Nokia wont attack these features with firmware updates.
 
Sounds to me like the OP should've done more research before he jumped on the Apple bandwagon and bought the "newest toy out there". Could've saved him some heartache.

I take your point onboard and understand why you say that. But in reality it’s impossible to make the right choice of mobile phone before buying it. You can read as many reviews/forums and play with the demo phones in shops for hours. But until you actually live with the phone for a couple of weeks you will never really know if it’s the one for you.
 
I take your point onboard and understand why you say that. But in reality it’s impossible to make the right choice of mobile phone before buying it. You can read as many reviews/forums and play with the demo phones in shops for hours. But until you actually live with the phone for a couple of weeks you will never really know if it’s the one for you.

Point taken. Real world experience is better than showroom demos. :)
 
redshovel said:
But until you actually live with the phone for a couple of weeks you will never really know if it’s the one for you.

The same goes for marriage...of course you aren't supposed to return a spouse for refund...though our divorce rate suggests that we make as fickle marriage partners as we do consumers. :rolleyes:
 
OP your obviously a bit of a willy waver

You bought the iphone because you wanted people to go ooooh i've got an iphone, had you actually thought about how you use the phone then you shouldn't have got one..although quite honestly if you still 'bluetooth files to your mates' and use mms, then your an idiot. I don't know anyone that does either of those things other than the uber geeks, and you've basically traded down to a phone that is clunky, unimpressive with piss poor battery life.

Good Riddence
 
Well to me the iPhone is two things.. It's a phone and an iPod. As a phone it is the best phone I have ever used. And I can say I have used a few. I currently own a Treo 700wx and an HTC Kaiser and I will state again as a phone the iPhone is the best. And as the second thing being an iPod it is also the best iPod I have ever used with exception of storage capacity. But I think to myself do I really need more than 8gig of space on an iPod I can carry daily? The answer to that would have to be no. I load all of my current favorite albums on the device and still have room to spare. Now onto the browser.. If you honestly think that Opera Mini even compares to safari I think you are just fooling yourself. The web experience on the iPhone is unmatched by any current mobile phone period. Yes it could use flash and java but that is not an end all for the device. As for the camera I could care less. If I wanted to use a camera I would use a Canon DSLR and not some crappy cell phone camera anyway. Text messaging is very popular in the UK and other places I know and it is quite popular here as well but it is not the end all of the device either it is not perfect no but it is damn good and is getting better. Lack of MMS means nothing to me on a device that has internet. If I want to send a photo to someone I will just send it to an email address. If they haven’t got email on their phone I guess too bad they will have to wait till they get home because my iPhone emails better than any other phone as well. Custom ringtones.. Not a problem since iTunes 7.5 and FW 1.1.2 so I see no fault there either.
 
OP your obviously a bit of a willy waver

You bought the iphone because you wanted people to go ooooh i've got an iphone, had you actually thought about how you use the phone then you shouldn't have got one..although quite honestly if you still 'bluetooth files to your mates' and use mms, then your an idiot. I don't know anyone that does either of those things other than the uber geeks, and you've basically traded down to a phone that is clunky, unimpressive with piss poor battery life.

Good Riddence

'Willy Waver'???.......Did you hear that one in the playground today??
Or you just like waving yours?

Using bluetooth to exchange files is the work of idiots is it. No No No....more like sour grapes as that apple you have cant. ;)

'Clunky, unimpressive with piss poor battery life'........well its a bit fatter than iPhone and shorter. Might suit your person being such a 'willy waver'

Unimpressive???...ok N95 8GB has no touch screen...but does everthing the iphone can do and more.

As for battery life.....the original N95 could have been considered piss poor on the battery life but the N95 8gb uses a differnt battery model all together offering 50-75% more standby.

I adivise you to go ly down in a darkened room with a cup of tea and have a wee rethink.
 
Well to me the iPhone is two things.. It's a phone and an iPod. As a phone it is the best phone I have ever used. And I can say I have used a few. I currently own a Treo 700wx and an HTC Kaiser and I will state again as a phone the iPhone is the best. And as the second thing being an iPod it is also the best iPod I have ever used with exception of storage capacity. But I think to myself do I really need more than 8gig of space on an iPod I can carry daily? The answer to that would have to be no. I load all of my current favorite albums on the device and still have room to spare. Now onto the browser.. If you honestly think that Opera Mini even compares to safari I think you are just fooling yourself. The web experience on the iPhone is unmatched by any current mobile phone period. Yes it could use flash and java but that is not an end all for the device. As for the camera I could care less. If I wanted to use a camera I would use a Canon DSLR and not some crappy cell phone camera anyway. Text messaging is very popular in the UK and other places I know and it is quite popular here as well but it is not the end all of the device either it is not perfect no but it is damn good and is getting better. Lack of MMS means nothing to me on a device that has internet. If I want to send a photo to someone I will just send it to an email address. If they haven’t got email on their phone I guess too bad they will have to wait till they get home because my iPhone emails better than any other phone as well. Custom ringtones.. Not a problem since iTunes 7.5 and FW 1.1.2 so I see no fault there either.

If you had bothered to read what I said you would have understood I rate the iPhone head and shoulders above any mobile for web browsing.......but only when connected to Wi-Fi. On EDGE (if you can get it) the iPhone performs just ok. Opera Mini can give a decent web browseing experance on GPRS.....iphone on GRPS is unusable. The fact of the matter is that iPhone should have been 3G. EDGE is not up to the job. Admit it you lot have wasted money on a phone designed for the US market place.
I have admited it and ditched the iPhone.
 
Before I got the iPhone I was using a K800i with 3.2 MP camera. It performed just as well as my CyberShot 3.2MP digital Camera.

I had a SE K790A here in the states and I had high hopes for the camera but I can't see how you can say it's just as well as a standard point-and-shoot camera. The lens sizes in phone camera's are just too small in comparison.

Outdoors in bright daylight, yes it is comparable but as soon as you are indoors or during the night time, the pictures come out incredibly grainy and the Xenon flash does not help matters much. The sensor inside the phone camera is just too small to capture any light.

Case in point, my now 10 year old Canon Powershot S10 is still better than the k790a.
 
I had a SE K790A here in the states and I had high hopes for the camera but I can't see how you can say it's just as well as a standard point-and-shoot camera. The lens sizes in phone camera's are just too small in comparison.

Outdoors in bright daylight, yes it is comparable but as soon as you are indoors or during the night time, the pictures come out incredibly grainy and the Xenon flash does not help matters much. The sensor inside the phone camera is just too small to capture any light.

Case in point, my now 10 year old Canon Powershot S10 is still better than the k790a.

Well for me the K800i / K790A was the first camera phone to allowed me to ditch my Sony Cybershot. I dont profess to be a photo wizard but over the year I had my k800i I used the camera for work, holidays, family events and being out in pubs/clubs. It producted great results all the time. Maybe if i had been printing out large versions of my pics there would be a differance between cameras. But you have to ask yourself....how good a camera does the average joe really need to carry.
One better than the iPhone is for sure.....but even though the 5MP on my N95 8GB is better than the 3.2MP on the K800i.......the 3.2MP was fine for me.
 
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