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69Mustang

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In between a rock and a hard place
The warmness can be dialed down easily in post with the camera app.
I am aware. I am just judging the photo's as presented. Point and click iPhone photos have always tended toward the cool side in my experience. Dan's photos from the Pro Max are the opposite. They remind me of the warmth of Samsung color science which favors red. It's not a criticism, it's just an observation. The photos look good, just warm.
 
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jclo

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I'm more interested in the detail and noise reduction. Can you, or anyone, post a few shots zoomed in of both cameras?

Uploading a couple full resolution photos for you so you can zoom in and take a closer look.
 

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69Mustang

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Maybe this is asking for too much, but what I wonder is why can't some of these software only tricks on photos be updated to work on existing or fairly recent iPhones? They wouldn't have the same amazing results, but there could and would be great improvements even on older equipment. I'm sure older iPhone users of the better models would even pay a nominal charge for such a software update.
Check the App Store. There are several apps that allow older models to approximate some of the software photography features. Neural Cam is one such app. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/neuralcam-night-mode-camera/id1474856599
 

konqerror

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Maybe this is asking for too much, but what I wonder is why can't some of these software only tricks on photos be updated to work on existing or fairly recent iPhones?

There's third party apps that do implement new features. For example, compare Neuralcam with Night Mode.

However, Apple does implement most of the processing in hardware due to issues of speed, lag, battery life.
 

roland.g

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I’m worried about Apple’s innovative future when an iOS release biggest feature is a color/theme option and new hardware has really nothing more than a better camera. For those really needing to upgrade, this is good stuff. For those who have an X or newer, it’s sad to say it’s now a 3 year upgrade.
 
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citysnaps

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"The ultra wide-angle lens has an f/2.4 aperture and no optical image stabilization like the other lenses in the iPhone 11 Pro Max, ....." So they will add that as a selling point for next years model. ? I know nothing about cameras, other than point and click. Why couldn't they add that to this years model?

Image stabilization is not very or as important for ultra wide angle lenses (the iPhone Pro is 13mm).
 

numbersyx

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Upgraded from XS Max and not much difference in day photos but a world of difference in low light. And the ultra wide shots are really useful for taking landscape and bigger areas. Don't need to use the full width but really helpful to adjust. So I'm content. Also have Deep Fusion to look forward to....
 

Freida

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I might be crazy, the jury is still out on that one. But I am also a tech enthusiast on a forum for Apple rumors that over analyzing features, so the upgrade bug is easy to get. I mostly only take pictures of my dog, sometimes during some hikes, yet I still am on the fence to upgrade from my XS Max. I know I shouldn't, but it's a whole year I could have the new thing.

I would be interested to know how many people are on the Apple upgrade program and get a new phone through that every single year.
Please don't! Please value your money.
 

sdilley14

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The Pro clearly looks much better in low light and ultra-wide photos. The rest look pretty indistinguishable. The XS Max photos look a little better on a couple examples.
 

yvr

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Ultrawide angle lenses, to quote the excellent discussion by Ken Rockwell, are the most difficult lenses to use well, and are not "for getting it all in." Ken has an excellent discussion of the use of this type of lens on his website. His examples of poor ultra wide angle photography are demonstrated in the examples in this article, with big expanses of paving bricks and lawn, filling the bottom half of the screen. Please read Ken's excellent post on this subject.
 
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chatin

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The 11 Pro earns its name as the lenses are bigger and higher quality.
 

ender21

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Ultrawide angle lenses, to quote the excellent discussion by Ken Rockwell, are the most difficult lenses to use well, and are not "for getting it all in." Ken has an excellent discussion of the use of this type of lens on his website. His examples of poor ultra wide angle photography are demonstrated in the examples in this article, with big expanses of paving bricks and lawn, filling the bottom half of the screen. Please read Ken's excellent post on this subject.
I hate to sound like a pompous photographer here, but I second this.

I have a great 11–16mm lens and I never use it to get items in to the shot. It’s always to create an effect and nearly universally results in me getting very close to my subject, not very far.

That said, if people use it to fit things in, eh. Their pictures, their choice.

My wife got the iPhone 11 (non-pro) and almost immediately noted that including the ultrawide lens instead of the telephoto made the phone a bit less valuable to her.
 

jase1125

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I was able to easily identify noise and sharpness improvements when comparing my XS Max and 11 Pro Max. As noted earlier, the XS smart HDR leaves images too flat. The 11 does a much better job processing. The wide angle lens has a great deal of distortion too.
 
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Cosmosent

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Keep an Eye Open for the upcoming iPhone 11T, a new version of the NON-Pro that swaps-out the Ultra-Wide for a Telephoto, & which will be promoted as Apple's "One More Thing" ...
 
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cardfan

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Upgraded from XS Max and not much difference in day photos but a world of difference in low light. And the ultra wide shots are really useful for taking landscape and bigger areas. Don't need to use the full width but really helpful to adjust. So I'm content. Also have Deep Fusion to look forward to....

Deep fusion equals vapor ware for now. Not a fan of Apple feeling like they need to put these things in their events to sell hardware. How’s that photoshop on iPad coming along? That’s all new iPad owners could talk about a year ago.
 

3oranges

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Jul 26, 2005
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The image is not only warm but lacking in magenta as well. Skin tones are lifeless and having to color correct every single photo is a deal breaker. It is a software auto white balance issue as third party camera apps look fantastic. If Apple is going to call an iPhone Pro, they need to let us pros adjust our own white balance because they obviously dropped the ball.
 
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ender21

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Sounds like a XS owner trying to convince himself that he still likes his phone...
It also sounds like someone who could be making an honest assessment as well, just as the words assert.

Kudos for deciding disingenuousness is a default in today’s world rather than taking someone at face value.
 
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Sounds like a XS owner trying to convince himself that he still likes his phone...

That’s kind of a disingenuous response to that member. I literally posted on the first page of this thread the majority of ‘average’ consumers probably can’t differentiate XS photos from the 11 Pro (With the exception of wide angle/night mode). What frumpy16 posted is probably accurate amongst _a lot_ of us, the differences between both Gen cameras (XS/11) isn’t that much different, its actually fairly comparable.
 

ChrisMoBro

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I think the author needs to look up the term “dramatically” because they really aren’t dramatically better. Yes, there’s the extra wide angle lens and night mode but apart from that, there’s not much of a difference.
 

WaterOz

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As someone who updated from an XS Max to a 11 Pro Max, the biggest upgrade is the battery. My battery life now is crazy; I’ve never had an iPhone battery last this long.
The night photos are obviously a lot better, and what convinced me to upgrade because I’m constantly complaining about how bad low light photos would look on my iPhone - but now they look great.
The battery life though is way better than imagined. Saying you get an extra 4 hours plus and actually experiencing it with the battery, are two different things. I can’t imagine having too many days where I have battery issues, with the exception of special trips when I’m snapping photos all day or on my phone way more than normal (like on a flight).
I charge it in my car on my 40 minute drive to and from work, and where before I’d go to bed with the life often under 15% (and usually much lower) to now going to bed with battery life over 70% - so much so that I didn’t even plug it in last night and just relied on the drive today. I’ve been home for 2 hours tonight and I’m still at 97% right now (with admittedly light use)

if you have battery issues at all with older iPhones, the 11 Pro Max is a very worthy upgrade - and you get better low light photos too!
 
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