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Both products are ridiculously over-priced and I question anybody's sanity who willingly pays that much money for a phone. For 200 bucks, you can buy a Chinese smartphone that has more than enough horse power for everything you could actually want to do with a phone.

Anyway: Yes, it's amazing what both products can do with their tiny cameras, but if I really care about photography, I use an SLR with a good lense attached to it, not some Apple or Samsung gadget.

But that is the whole point. These gadgets cost so much that you can buy an actual tool for getting a job done, you don't have to use a phone for it. I'm pretty sure that when you go to a doctor, you also wouldn't want him to use an Apple Watch to measure your heart beats. Something tells me you'd rather want him to use something more serious and reliable.
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I completely agree that no mobile shall be bought at that price or even at $1200 or even less!

But on the SLR point, there are many things probably SLRs can do better than a Mobile phone cameras with respect to quality of image (though in relative terms due to inherent nature of tools used) but ease of use, editing, immediate consumption and publication mobiles phones way ahead of SLR. Also, taking stage lighting sort of pictures in SLR requires tedious cropping work whereas in iPhone you can get this done instantaneously.
 
I completely agree that no mobile shall be bought at that price or even at $1200 or even less!

But on the SLR point, there are many things probably SLRs can do better than a Mobile phone cameras with respect to quality of image (though in relative terms due to inherent nature of tools used) but ease of use, editing, immediate consumption and publication mobiles phones way ahead of SLR. Also, taking stage lighting sort of pictures in SLR requires tedious cropping work whereas in iPhone you can get this done instantaneously.
Many DSLRs today have on-board WiFi, so that one can download pictures onto the mobile devices and use the tools available.
 
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You are correct about ridiculously over-priced smartphones, however, those decent Chinese smartphones you refer too are actually even lower than $200.

My company sources Android smartphones, from China, with 5" screens, a 2-year warranty, nice box, charger and cable, LTE chipset, decent camera (sorry I forgot the camera specs), 8GB storage with a micro SD card slot (yes I know 8GB is not a lot), but we are only paying $43/phone.

Before someone says those phone are not even in the same league as an iPhone or Samsung and you are purchasing at wholesale prices, you are correct they are not in the same league, which is why I use an iPhone personally, but for $43 (retail price about $80) it still makes me think smartphones from the leading brands are way over priced.
As you say that these phones that your company sources are not in the same league as an iPhone or Samsung and you have chosen to use an iPhone, it would be interesting (at least to me) to hear your summary of the pros and cons of the Chinese phone.
 
As you say that these phones that your company sources are not in the same league as an iPhone or Samsung and you have chosen to use an iPhone, it would be interesting (at least to me) to hear your summary of the pros and cons of the Chinese phone.

I am happy to share my experience thus far. I started out extremely skeptical and am now at a moderately accepting state. We utilize these phones for the low-income segment of the US market that can’t afford more expensive (popular) smartphones. When I first heard my company could purchase so-called decent 5” Android smartphones in the $40-$50 range that support LTE, I thought it was a joke. Heck just one of the core components of an iPhone or Samsung phone cost more than that.

When I saw the phones and supporting purchase orders I said, OK so you can purchase LTE, 5” Android smartphones for that low price, but they will probably break in a week. That was about five months ago, and so-far we have roughly 5,000 devices in the field. Returns for these phones are basically in line with other phones, so I guess I was wrong. But I remain a bit skeptical until we get larger numbers in the field and have at least 10-12 months of usage.

These phones don’t have the water resistance you find with the new iPhones or Samsung phones and the cameras are not in the same league, they are more like the cameras on the iPhone 4 / 5 which I will admit were not horrible, but I think many consumers expect current camera technology. The 8GB of storage is inadequate for most users, but with the micro SD slot, consumers can add more storage for a small amount of money. The CPU performance is a little sluggish (I would not like it because I’m a bit spoiled with my iPhone), but I have to keep reminding myself, this is still an LTE, 5” smartphone under $50.

These phones only operate on T-Mobile or AT&T (GSM / LTE), the model on Verizon (CDMA / LTE) costs about $25 more because Verizon is such a “closed” company. If Verizon doesn’t “preauthorize” the phone (doesn’t matter if your phone supports LTE on their bands), they will not allow the device to operate on their network. I forgot to mention, the phones we source also support dual SIMs.

Overall, I admit I am impressed with the fact that a company can produce a not-too-bad smartphone for well under $100 (under $50 is our wholesale price). It makes me pause when I think about the massive profit being made on iPhones, Samsung, the inefficiencies (gross waste) that probably exist at Apple and Samsung, and the fact that consumers are willing to pay a massive amount of money for a smartphone.

I will admit, however, I will stick with the iPhone because I love IOS, but I would say this, these low-cost phones make great “disposable” devices (good for kids who loose and break almost everything). Also, if I had a company that provided phones for its employees working in a harsher environment, maybe construction where equipment gets roughed up, these low-cost Android phones are a good alternative.
 
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Anyone in this thread can nitpick the smallest indifferences/features about these cameras, let’s look at it like this, they both take amazing photos/videos. General consumers are never going to be able to differentiate the differences between Samsung/Apples top-of-the-line smart phones.

I’m always stunned that people (On this site) that just can’t appreciate technology from both sides of the competition versus slandering one over the other, when both of these smart phones have amazing cameras.
So nitpicking on the nitpickers is okay? This is a tech site. That's what we do, nitpick. Please don't take that away from us!
depends on what you use your SLR for. if printing larger pictures is it than this fits the bill.

ill be selling my SLR once I get my ultra. the best camera is the one in my pocket. not a clunky camera I have to carry around and fiddle with.
You're right.
I was a an iPhone fanboy from 2007 until late 2017. I switched over to Android and a Samsung phone and love the operating system much more than I ever did iOS. There is much more that one can do with Android than iOS and it's much more customizeable and believe it or not, stable contrary to what Apple may want people to believe. Plus I am not stuck to the Apple ecosystem.

So regardless of the photo quality of one phone to the next, I do not see myself going back to Apple.

But with that said looking through these image comparisons, the Samsung quality is better in most of them.
Very well then.
You’ll wind up by lowering the bar on your photography.
How do you make the bar lower than "zero pics taken last year"?
when did I say I was a photographer ? did you read what I even wrote?

I want to print pictures of my family , so not having to take a dslr and getting good large photos I can print is what this provides for me. I can take 30mp+ photos if I want and print canvas or framed pictures with great quality.
Um...wait a minute; weren't you the one comparing to an SLR as if that is the benchmark by which all smartphones must be judged?
Many DSLRs today have on-board WiFi, so that one can download pictures onto the mobile devices and use the tools available.
Yeah, but do they have THEFT PREVENTION features? This may be a bit off-topic, but in nearly EVERY camera segment (and ESPECIALLY the SLR segment), the manufacturers have done nothing to make theft UN-appetizing to the thief. Meanwhile, smartphones (and tablets, which also have excellent cameras) have tracking technology built in. Don't bother telling me how important WiFi is when you have no technology available to make theft a thing of the past.
 
That's not too much of a surprise, though, because the sensor of Apple's ultra wide-angle lens isn't as good as the sensor in Apple's wide-angle camera lens.

The context makes it clear what was intended, but the second "Apple" still needs corrected.
 
When phones get replaced every couple of years a four-figure price tag is not worth it. I just can't afford flagships anymore, let alone anything Apple anymore. Its become such a bourgeoisie company.
 
Front-Facing Camera

As for the front-facing camera, there's a 40-megapixel selfie camera with an f/2.2 aperture in the Galaxy S20 Ultra, while the iPhone 11 Pro Max features a 12-megapixel camera with an f/2.2 aperture.

galaxys20ultraselfie.jpg
You might think the 40-megapixel camera is significantly better, but we didn't see a whole lot of difference between the S20 Ultra and the iPhone 11 Pro Max. Samsung does have a "beauty mode" that we turned off, while the iPhone has no similar mode that can be toggled on.

Another thing to note is that the iPhone's front facing photo is not reversed. Something that cannot be said for the majority of robotphone selfies.

Edit: And then there's this, on what monitor are we looking at these pictures, varies enormously.

I dunno, what monitor are you looking at them on?
 
Front-Facing Camera

As for the front-facing camera, there's a 40-megapixel selfie camera with an f/2.2 aperture in the Galaxy S20 Ultra, while the iPhone 11 Pro Max features a 12-megapixel camera with an f/2.2 aperture.

galaxys20ultraselfie.jpg

You might think the 40-megapixel camera is significantly better, but we didn't see a whole lot of difference between the S20 Ultra and the iPhone 11 Pro Max. Samsung does have a "beauty mode" that we turned off, while the iPhone has no similar mode that can be toggled on.
This is yet another case of trying to ignore S20 Ultra's camera system advantages vs iphone's camera system.
S20 Ultra's front facing camera is indeed objectively better. First it takes 10MP pixel binned photos by default(so it's not just a 40MP sensor for the sake of being a 40MP sensor), second it has better dynamic range being able to tame the highlights much often than the 11 Pro Max(this is also very visible in videos) and third, it has night mode shots in low light with the front facing camera.

Actually the S20 Ultra has night mode pictures for the Ultra-wide which iphone's obviously lacks, making it better then iphone's ultra-wide. Also it uses a similar CMOS sensor with the one found in last year's S10, Note 10 so a proper high end smartphone camera sensor for the ultra-wide.

The Zoom capability is obviously better on the Galaxy, like easily a few generations above the iphone. I mean you can take 4x and 5x zoomed photos in low light with night mode on the S20 something that isn't available on the iphone(which takes 2x night mode shots with the main camera and zooms in) and in this situation it pretty much beats any smartphone on the market by a big margin.

The 108MP sensor is not as bad as some users try to suggest. It produces excellent photos in day light with impressive dynamic range(I'm not talking about software HDR necessarily) and great detail, but obviously this is true mostly for the 12MP auto mode. I think Samsung can still improve the main camera a little but its practically limited by the lens system. Probably with the Note 20 we will see a decent jump in photo quality by just improving the lenses.

But the S20 Ultra has a major annoyance that I'm not sure Samsung will fix. Whenever the camera detects a face in the middle of the frame it tries to brighten the photo too much and I don't know why but it also softens the skin on people's faces. Maybe in Asia people prefer such photo processing techniques but I sure don't like it.

One other thing I see people ignore is S20 Ultra's Pro Mode for Photo and especially Video. I mean the 11 Pro Max default camera app doesn't really give users any Pro camera features although the main reason Apple called it "Pro" was for the camera. It would be interesting to see what can somebody do with S20 pictures and especially videos in pro mode.
 
This is yet another case of trying to ignore S20 Ultra's camera system advantages vs iphone's camera system.
S20 Ultra's front facing camera is indeed objectively better. First it takes 10MP pixel binned photos by default(so it's not just a 40MP sensor for the sake of being a 40MP sensor), second it has better dynamic range being able to tame the highlights much often than the 11 Pro Max(this is also very visible in videos) and third, it has night mode shots in low light with the front facing camera.

Actually the S20 Ultra has night mode pictures for the Ultra-wide which iphone's obviously lacks, making it better then iphone's ultra-wide. Also it uses a similar CMOS sensor with the one found in last year's S10, Note 10 so a proper high end smartphone camera sensor for the ultra-wide.

The Zoom capability is obviously better on the Galaxy, like easily a few generations above the iphone. I mean you can take 4x and 5x zoomed photos in low light with night mode on the S20 something that isn't available on the iphone(which takes 2x night mode shots with the main camera and zooms in) and in this situation it pretty much beats any smartphone on the market by a big margin.

The 108MP sensor is not as bad as some users try to suggest. It produces excellent photos in day light with impressive dynamic range(I'm not talking about software HDR necessarily) and great detail, but obviously this is true mostly for the 12MP auto mode. I think Samsung can still improve the main camera a little but its practically limited by the lens system. Probably with the Note 20 we will see a decent jump in photo quality by just improving the lenses.

But the S20 Ultra has a major annoyance that I'm not sure Samsung will fix. Whenever the camera detects a face in the middle of the frame it tries to brighten the photo too much and I don't know why but it also softens the skin on people's faces. Maybe in Asia people prefer such photo processing techniques but I sure don't like it.

One other thing I see people ignore is S20 Ultra's Pro Mode for Photo and especially Video. I mean the 11 Pro Max default camera app doesn't really give users any Pro camera features although the main reason Apple called it "Pro" was for the camera. It would be interesting to see what can somebody do with S20 pictures and especially videos in pro mode.
To make a sound bite out of this. The s20 camera is better than the pro max except when it’s not.
 
I took my S20U back. I had a family reunion this past weekend and was super excited to get some great pictures of family I hadn't seen in a long time. Alas, the stupid S20U camera couldn't focus for SH*T. I was super disappointed that a $1500 dollar phone did me dirty like that. Infuriating to say the absolute least. Crazy how Swappa already had them for $1030-$1100 already. Not sure if any other Ultra owners had this same experience with the focus?
 
I took my S20U back. I had a family reunion this past weekend and was super excited to get some great pictures of family I hadn't seen in a long time. Alas, the stupid S20U camera couldn't focus for SH*T. I was super disappointed that a $1500 dollar phone did me dirty like that. Infuriating to say the absolute least. Crazy how Swappa already had them for $1030-$1100 already. Not sure if any other Ultra owners had this same experience with the focus?

it was a bit off but only took less than a second for me. works fine.
 
Wow have to say the iPhone IMHO blows this thing out the water. The ONLY thing I can give Samsung kudos for is that 30x zoom, that was actually pretty darn good. But paying 1400 for a phone that is NOT better than the current model iPhone? no thanks. Full disclose i use Android now, as I go back in forth eavery other year it seems.
 
Wow have to say the iPhone IMHO blows this thing out the water. The ONLY thing I can give Samsung kudos for is that 30x zoom, that was actually pretty darn good. But paying 1400 for a phone that is NOT better than the current model iPhone? no thanks. Full disclose i use Android now, as I go back in forth eavery other year it seems.
Galaxy has a much sharper display, and superior hardware overall. Anyone that still buys iphone is a sheep & a sucker
 
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