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Campaigners Rally to Support Apple's Stance on Government Backdoors

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asiga said:
Well, actually, I don't let Apple have access to my personal data, but all the ones from the article picture don't care who has access to their personal data. So, what are they rallying for, if they don't have a single file nor mail message on their own storage?
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Let me explain. You trust your bank with your money. You trust Paypal with your money. You trust any site you sign up to with your personal information. You trust Amazon with your Credit Card details. You trust a doctor with your personal health details. You trust a corner shop with your credit card. You trust your locksmith with your house keys.

There is an element of trust in everything, and those are people/services you have chosen yourself to trust with your stuff. I do not expect anyone else to be able to delve their greasy little fingers in to the files of any of the above without my express permission - and this is what the US Government is trying to do, and I do not trust ALL FUTURE GOVERNMENTS (because that's who will have access to it if all goes well, if the tool is leaked then that's even worse..) with my data.

That aside - Apple have expressly and specifically said they do not delve into our personal data for whatever reason. Of course there is an element of trust there, but I have no reason to not believe them.
 
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I'm floored that Apple's PR spin worked this well, just shows how gullible we all are. Without siding with the FBI's request in any sort of way, I find that Apple's stance is only a way to hide the awful truth: the iPhone isn't as secure as they claimed.

As explained in various articles, the real issue isn't that Apple refuses to create a backdoor, it's that the backdoor already exists and Apple only patched it up with a "10 tries and you're out". The FBI is asking for Apple's "help" circumvent the patch that will lock them out if they use brute force.

And Apple is playing the civil rights card in a PR spin to look like they're working hard at keep the little people's data safe.

This is a show of smoke & mirrors to keep appearances up that the iPhone is secure, since they've been getting hit on all sides since the iCloud leak and have adopted such a strong stance on security since then.
 
Rogifan said:
No I don't have trouble reading. Apple doesn't get to decide what's a valid subpoena or search warrant. If Apple complied with everything being asked for there would be no reason for Cook to write that letter and this wouldn't be all over the news.
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LOL, so you put full faith in our corrupt government and judicial system on what's a valid subpoena?? This is perfect example of our government doing as they please and as they see fit, just like the NSA violating our privacy.

I understand the need to prevent terrorism and how important that is, but our right to privacy from the government is just as important. To put the privacy risk of literally millions of people at stake for the sake of one phone that may or may not have any information on it...as if this one phone is the FBI's only method of thwarting possible future terrorist attacks is ridiculous.
 
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Of all the most useless things to do...only Apple hipsters would think to do that. If you're going to rally against government decisions, do it at the capital or local government buildings. Not the damn Apple Store.
 
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asiga said:
Who decides if and when your iOS device will download system updates? Apple controls it, you cannot disable updates download.
Who decides if developers can build apps for your iOS version? Apple decides when an iOS version cannot receive app updates anymore.
Where are your personal files? Stored on Apple servers (iCloud)
Who knows where are you in this moment? Google Maps knows it. Apple Maps too. Your tagged photos as well. Shazham might know it too.
Where is your personal mail? Stored in a third-party webmail server.
Who has the legal rights for your social networks personal photos? Facebook owns them.
Who gets a copy of every URL you type on Safari? Apple does (this caused a global Safari failure the other week).

Aaahh...yes, but Apple won't disclose to the FBI the contents of the iPhone from a terrorist, so we are really impressed how they protect our privacy even if they have every single piece of confident personal data from you.
Please: wake up
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It's not Apple or Google for what matters that decide what YOU share (social networks, tags, email ), they protect what you do NOT share and stays in your phone!!

Who decide what he/ she wants to be shared?
Please: wake up
 
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Tunster said:
I take Apple's stance; but it's equally as dangerous in a world where criminals are becoming much more clever into what products to use in order to disguise their communications and data.

Having a good conversation with a colleague of mine yesterday; they made me see that why is this any different to the police putting in a warrant to search your property? They can't just come into your property at any moment to seize objects for evidence. The law enforcement clearly want legal access to reaffirm the prosecution of the individuals who are clearly against the state and potentially hiding information of possible informants, other cells, collaborators and so forth.

Anyone taking a totally defense stance on this issue; you're effectively saying that your private data should come over the security of your country. The US government (or any around the world) needs a way/method/framework of allowing that data to be accessible from all digital devices that have communication capabilities without technical backdoors or open compromises to innocent individuals. That's what we should all be supporting.
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Getting a search warrant for a house is similar to Apple handing over their iCloud data to the FBI. Developing a backdoor into iOS so the FBI can brute-force crack the iPhone is on a different level.
 
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Rogifan said:
No I don't have trouble reading. Apple doesn't get to decide what's a valid subpoena or search warrant. If Apple complied with everything being asked for there would be no reason for Cook to write that letter and this wouldn't be all over the news.
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Because no judge has made a stupid call ever before... this is ONE person, Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym, deciding something I bet she doesn't understand the full implication of and can you imagine the pressure the would be under from the friction' FBI.

The very fact this is "INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE" - Basically being forced to do something against your will with no remuneration is guess what... slavery! And no that is not overstating it.

Although I could see if Apple relented, just saying sure we can do it. We took 8 Years to get to this point in encryption ... see you in 8 years.
 
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To bad they are in the wrong - and nobody is asking for a "back door". The responsible thing for Apple, me and everyone else to do in this case is to help the FBI however we can.
 
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a.gomez said:
The responsible thing for Apple, me and everyone else to do in this case is to help the FBI however we can.
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They did..... you either have missed:

"We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. "

Or don't thrust them.... but that is another problem!
 
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a.gomez said:
To bad they are in the wrong - and nobody is asking for a "back door". The responsible thing for Apple, me and everyone else to do in this case is to help the FBI however we can.
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Explain.

Cuz I read the details and Apple has already handed over their iCloud Data and from Verizon the FBI already has a large amount of cell phone data.

What the FBI wants is for Apple to develop a new version of iOS with the delete after 10 tries function removed. Not only that but they want to be able to enter each passcode attempt through the high-speed USB connection to speed up the brute-force cracking. It's a completely a backdoor.

Forcing a private company to develop software that will bypass the security of their existing software is an unprecedented move with HUGE GLOBAL ramifications. This is something you'd expect from evil China or the KGB, not the US.
 
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a.gomez said:
To bad they are in the wrong - and nobody is asking for a "back door". The responsible thing for Apple, me and everyone else to do in this case is to help the FBI however we can.
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Modifying iOS in order to allow a specific piece of software that once connected to an iPhone can open up the phone without the user knowing the passcode or iOS lock.

You think this isn't a backdoor? It's pretty much the definition of a backdoor!!
 
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Why is it that people only believe in the slippery slope argument when it suits their stance on a position?
 
People are getting two sides of this topic mixed, even Apple is. Frankly i'm not touching either of them, not enough people seem to understand what is really happening with this particular case.
 
Jsameds said:
They are protecting the population and that includes you, me, George Clooney and also "Islamist terrorist"
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So we now trust a corporate fascist tax dodging monopolist slave laboured multinational corporation over our elective representatives. Wow. What a sad state of affairs...unlock the goddamn phone! Screw apple and their faux concern ie. corporate propaganda.

If the San Bernardino killers were some christian fundamentalist killing gay people, I'm fairly certain Apple would make "exception" to their so called privacy rule.

And you don't need to put Islamist terrorist in parentheses as if it's a imaginary boogie man. It's real and it's motivated to kill anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them. And I'm speaking as a muslim. No wonder liberalism is dying and nationalism is rising and Donald Trump is winning. All thanks to the moral bankruptcy of liberals (or should I say regressive liberals) and their divorce from reality.
 
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If this backdoor get made, anyone scared of it falling into criminal hands doesn't know how digital signatures work.

The court order is for a special version of iOS that is hard coded to work on the ID of a specific iPhone 5c that does not have a secure enclave. If the FBI or some criminal tries to modify that backdoor for other iphones, the digital signiture is broke and won't be installable.

The iphones won't let any modified iOS get installed, only ones that are properly signed by a key only Apple has.

If people think the courts will just rubber stamp OK to any police request, then there is a bigger problem than privacy in USA if courts can not be trusted.
 
I always wonder what all these protestors do in life/work. I mean, if there are hundreds of people standing around outside a store for hours, do all those people just take a PTO day from work or are they jobless or do they have no obligations/responsibilities to attend to in that they can just waste a day (or more) standing around on the sidewalk.

Edit: Nice to see, after reading the boards, others have the same thoughts on the matter.
 
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Jsameds said:
Modifying iOS in order to allow a specific piece of software that once connected to an iPhone can open up the phone without the user knowing the passcode or iOS lock.

You think this isn't a backdoor? It's pretty much the definition of a backdoor!!
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Is it a backdoor if only Apple has access to the firmware, it can only be signed by Apple and a court order is required?
 
Tunster said:
Anyone taking a totally defense stance on this issue; you're effectively saying that your private data should come over the security of your country. The US government (or any around the world) needs a way/method/framework of allowing that data to be accessible from all digital devices that have communication capabilities without technical backdoors or open compromises to innocent individuals. That's what we should all be supporting.
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Not sure I followed that. "The US government...needs a backdoor...without technical backdoors..."

If you make a method for allowing access to a phones data, is that not a backdoor. If made available to one person, it is inevitable it will be available to all.

Make the phone less secure does not hinder criminals. They can easily encrypt communications and the government still wouldn't have access to the data, but I would have an insecure phone.

I'm not worried about the government having access to my data, I have nothing to hide, but I do object to criminals having access to my data.
 
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