Can I swap iPhones and not tell verizon

[Blondie&Dagwood]

Maybe you should learn to read. Two other people have also been told by Apple that the SIM card will auto-activate. There was no lie to catch me it. Nice try though. I see you are really working for it.

Oh I see. Before you were stating that others have had experiences where the SIM card activated automatically on its own. Now you have changed your position to the fact that two people have only been told that the SIM card will auto-activate. I guess seeing that they were told this, then that makes it fact does it?

My mom once told me that the earth was actually square, so that must be true too.

Let me ask you another question. Have you heard from anyone who has actually had their unused SIM card auto-activate?

 

[C DM]

Before you were stating that others have had experiences where the SIM card activated automatically on its own.

Curious, where was this?

 

[Mlrollin91]

Yes because you’re wrong

If I’m paying cash and my device is not in stock, I’m not required to enter details for a carrier I don’t have

Where in the world are we talking about paying with cash. I’m not wrong. Sorry. Nice try.

My ignore list is filling up today. Before today I have never ignored someone. Over 9 years.

Macrumors has become reddit. It’s become nothing but name calling and argumentative nonsense. This is a community meant to help people. Stick to the opening post and don’t deviate. It’s not hard.

 

[Blondie&Dagwood]

Curious, where was this?

on page 2 of this thread where he goes

"And two other people have already confirmed the auto-activation of SIM cards."

When I read the word confirmed, I interpret this to mean that it has actually happened to them. Looks like these guys were only told that the SIM card auto-activates which as we all know is hardly a confirmation.

 

[C DM]

on page 2 of this thread where he goes

"And two other people have already confirmed the auto-activation of SIM cards."

When I read the word confirmed, I interpret this to mean that it has actually happened to them. Looks like these guys were only told that the SIM card auto-activates which as we all know is hardly a confirmation.

Seems in the context of the discussion that statement was in relation to confirming that policy that was being mentioned/discussed, as in there were others who have been told about the same policy, confirming that it wasn't some totally weird isolated and unheard of (let alone, made up) thing that the poster experienced personally.

Now, perhaps some stores and/or representatives are going by their own rules in one way or another, which don't correspond to what it should be like or at least what it's like in other stores, but that's somewhat different than some customers essentially simply making something up.

 

[Blondie&Dagwood]

Seems in the context of the discussion that statement was in relation to confirming the policy that was being mentioned/discussed, as in there were others who have been told about the same policy, confirming that it wasn't some totally weird isolated and unheard of (let alone, made up) thing that the poster experienced personally.

Nope, the context was he was trying to dispute my previous statement which I pasted below. In that context, he ends up looking very foolish by doing so based on the mere fact that two people were told by Apple that the SIM cards will auto-activate. My statement was that not a single person has actually had that happen to him/her.

"FACT - Not a single person who has purchased an iPhone X has experienced the SIM card activating automatically because 60 days went by"

The reality is that Mlrollin91 has been caught posting false and misleading information. He/she is incorrectly passing off his/her own experiences as fact. Then when this is pointed out to him/her, he/she goes on the defensive and starts ignoring posts. If Mlrollin91 no longer chooses to address me, then that is his/her right, however, as I posted previously, to deny FACT is to combine ignorance with arrogance and that will only lead to heartache. It can however be fixed with honesty and introspection, and to acknowledge the situation is a sign of strength because it allows for the fixing to start.

 

[C DM]

Nope, the context was he was trying to dispute my previous statement which I pasted below. In that context, he ends up looking very foolish by doing so based on the mere fact that two people were told by Apple that the SIM cards will auto-activate. My statement was that not a single person has actually had that happen to him/her.

"FACT - Not a single person who has purchased an iPhone X has experienced the SIM card activating automatically because 60 days went by"

It seems that the statement you posted below came after the earlier statement you quoted from that poster, so it would seem that that statement couldn't be a previous statement, and the earlier statement from the poster couldn't have been made to try to dispute it.

In fact, in response to that particularly statement that you quoted, the following statement seems to have been made:

"FACT - Shadowbench clearly stated that he was told it would auto-activate after 30 days, with the purchase of his iPhone 7 (over a year ago)."

He/she is incorrectly passing off his/her own experiences as fact.

Seems like experiences are being passed on as experiences:

Everyone needs to stop claiming only THEIR experiences matter. EVERYONE will have different experiences based on different STATES and STORES.

People need to stop claiming other experiences are wrong. That is blatantly wrong and has been proven in this thread. Everyone has a different experience. Stop getting hung up on issues that may or may NOT affect you and move on.

 

[Myzhi]

If the new sim auto activate, wouldn’t the old sim be deactivated? Imagine the uproar that will cause when people’s cellphone just seems to randomly stops cell service. What if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere. That’s why I highly doubt any company will let this will happen.

 

[Martyimac]

Without replying to the one poster, I take what they were saying was that I can't walk into an Apple store in California and buy a phone as a present for somebody else since I don't have their account info, and I'm pretty sure that I could. I have some friends in CA and I will ask them if anybody knows.

 

[C DM]

Without replying to the one poster, I take what they were saying was that I can't walk into an Apple store in California and buy a phone as a present for somebody else since I don't have their account info, and I'm pretty sure that I could. I have some friends in CA and I will ask them if anybody knows.

Seems like what was being said is as those various posters said:

Then my local stores are complete sticklers. I have never been able to just walk in and get a phone for a different carrier. Either my stores do things differently or I have bad luck. I’ve purchased iPhones from 6 different Apple stores.

Every Apple store has it's own way of handling this kind of things. Apple Store near me does ask what carrier, size, color you want, they ask for your phone number for the reservation and they queue you up. Tax-Free states don't allow any walk-ins and strictly online order pick ups (not sure if that is lifted yet). YMMV.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Without replying to the one poster, I take what they were saying was that I can't walk into an Apple store in California and buy a phone as a present for somebody else since I don't have their account info, and I'm pretty sure that I could. I have some friends in CA and I will ask them if anybody knows.

I will gladly give you the name of the 6 Apple Stores that I have purchased iPhones from. All paid in full. Every single one asked for my AT&T info.

This thread needs to die. Seriously.

 

[Blondie&Dagwood]

It seems that the statement you posted below came after the earlier statement you quoted from that poster, so it would seem that that statement couldn't be a previous statement, and the earlier statement from the poster couldn't have been made to try to dispute it.

What are you talking about? The poster made a comment that SIM cards will auto-activate. I called nonsense.

 

[Mlrollin91]

If the new sim auto activate, wouldn’t the old sim be deactivated? Imagine the uproar that will cause when people’s cellphone just seems to randomly stops cell service. What if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere. That’s why I highly doubt any company will let this will happen.

The idea is to just activate it as soon as possible. This is clearly a new policy as Apple themselves is telling the customer this. Whether it’s carrier dependent I don’t know. But for a fact, Apple has said the AT&T sim will auto activate and the old will deactivate if you do not activate it within 60 days.

 

[C DM]

What are you talking about? The poster made a comment that SIM cards will auto-activate. I called nonsense.

Simply commented on the quotes you brought up and how they didn't seem to match up with the narrative.

 

[Blondie&Dagwood]

The idea is to just activate it as soon as possible. This is clearly a new policy as Apple themselves is telling the customer this. .

But you previously said that this was communicated by Apple a year ago. A year ago is hardly new no?

 

[Mlrollin91]

Simply commented on the quotes you brought up and how they didn't seem to match up.

Don’t bother anymore. It doesn’t matter at this point. I know what I was told and shawdow was told the same thing.
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But you previously said that this was communicated by Apple a year ago. A year ago is hardly new no?

I was told last month. Shadow was told a year ago.
[doublepost=1512511864][/doublepost]This thread is now truly a waste of time. I will no longer be participating. I have finals to study for.

 

[Martyimac]

I will gladly give you the name of the 6 Apple Stores that I have purchased iPhones from. All paid in full.

I would like that because I have a son in CA I would like to buy an iPhone for and I don't have his account info. When you give me that list, I will not call those Apple stores. Thanks.

 

[C DM]

But you previously said that this was communicated by Apple a year ago. A year ago is hardly new no?

In the context of Apple selling iPhones for about 10 years, seems like a policy that suddenly showed up a year ago or so could still fit in with it being seen as fairly new.

Curious, is trying to nitpick and split hairs when it comes to effectively inane minutia something that fits with "introspection", or goes more along the lines of "arrogance"?

 

[Mlrollin91]

I would like that because I have a son in CA I would like to buy an iPhone for and I don't have his account info. When you give me that list, I will not call those Apple stores. Thanks.

I couldn’t care less if you called the stores or not. I know what has been required of me and every family member of mine for the last 10 years.

One of the Apple Stores has closed (Simi Valley, it was a MacRumors article incase you don’t believe me).

The Oaks, (iPhone 3G,3GS,6s,8Plus)
Manhattan Beach, (iPhone 6)
Santa Monica, (iPhone 5)
Topanga, (iPhone 4s, 7Plus)
UTC, (iPhone 5s)
Fashion Valley, (iPhone 4)

Those are just my purchases, not including family members. Family stores include Simi, Bakersfield, and Los Cerritos.

Mind you, every purchase has been made with a credit card and within 1 week of launch day. Post iPhone 4, each have been paid in full until 7Plus. Then I switched to IUP.

 

[Martyimac]

I couldn’t care less if you called the stores or not. I know what has been required of me and every family member of mine for the last 10 years.

One of the Apple Stores has closed (Simi Valley, it was a MacRumors article incase you don’t believe me).

The Oaks, (iPhone 3G,3GS,6s,8Plus)
Manhattan Beach, (iPhone 6)
Santa Monica, (iPhone 5)
Topanga, (iPhone 4s, 7Plus)
UTC, (iPhone 5s)
Fashion Valley, (iPhone 4)

Those are just my purchases, not including family members. Family stores include Simi, Bakersfield, and Los Cerritos.

Mind you, every purchase has been made with a credit card and within 1 week of launch day. Post iPhone 4, each have been paid in full until 7Plus. Then I switched to IUP.

Thanks, since my boy lives on the central coast, I called the San Luis Obispo store and they would be happy to sell me an phone without any carrier information other than being Verizon compatible. All I have to do is tell them it's to be activated later. Same with the Tucson store, no account information required. And while the CA store was hesitant about not being activated on site, they did agree they would sell me a phone, sim OR sim free. You're close enough in Ventura, you might try buying through them, but not on IUP.
So,while we don't have the auto activate question answered, my comment about not needing carrier information to buy an iPhone has been confirmed as possible.
This thread also indicates that it is possible to do in case you don't believe me. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tell-them-i-dont-want-to-activate-it.2081235/

 

[Mlrollin91]

Thanks, since my boy lives on the central coast, I called the San Luis Obispo store and they would be happy to sell me an phone without any carrier information other than being Verizon compatible. All I have to do is tell them it's to be activated later. Same with the Tucson store, no account information required. And while the CA store was hesitant about not being activated on site, they did agree they would sell me a phone, sim OR sim free. You're close enough in Ventura, you might try buying through them, but not on IUP.
So,while we don't have the auto activate question answered, my comment about not needing carrier information to buy an iPhone has been confirmed as possible.
This thread also indicates that it is possible to do in case you don't believe me. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tell-them-i-dont-want-to-activate-it.2081235/

While that may be so. You still can not discredit my experience. And in all fairness just because a rep says something over the phone does not mean for certain it will be the same in store.

All I can do is report MY experience from the above listed Apple Stores. San Luis is also a good 2.5-3 hours from me.

All I can do is report what I know. And what I know is what I’ve said throughout this thread.

 

[C DM]

Thanks, since my boy lives on the central coast, I called the San Luis Obispo store and they would be happy to sell me an phone without any carrier information other than being Verizon compatible. All I have to do is tell them it's to be activated later. Same with the Tucson store, no account information required. And while the CA store was hesitant about not being activated on site, they did agree they would sell me a phone, sim OR sim free. You're close enough in Ventura, you might try buying through them, but not on IUP.
So,while we don't have the auto activate question answered, my comment about not needing carrier information to buy an iPhone has been confirmed as possible.
This thread also indicates that it is possible to do in case you don't believe me. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tell-them-i-dont-want-to-activate-it.2081235/

Realistically speaking now that the SIM-free model is out already all of this isn't that much of a factor and stores would likely be treating it differently too in some sense. Even prior to that it seems that things were changing at times, like the thread at https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-non-carrier-specific-sale-allowable.2089237/ shows, for example.

Ultimately based on those threads and various others, and this one as well, if there's anything that seems fairly apparent is that for whatever reason, different people at different stores at different times can and do in fact have different experiences and can be told different things and have different requirements.

 

[Martyimac]

While that may be so. You still can not discredit my experience. And in all fairness just because a rep says something over the phone does not mean for certain it will be the same in store.

All I can do is report MY experience from the above listed Apple Stores. San Luis is also a good 2.5-3 hours from me.

All I can do is report what I know. And what I know is what I’ve said throughout this thread.

Understood, but you can't discredit my and other posters experiences either.
All you have to do is tell them it's a gift and to "activate later" and they will sell you a phone.
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Realistically speaking now that the SIM-free model is out already all of this isn't that much of a factor and stores would likely be treating it differently too in some sense. Even prior to that it seems that things were changing at times, like the thread at https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-non-carrier-specific-sale-allowable.2089237/ shows, for example.

Yep, your posted thread and the thread I posted both confirm it is possible.

 

[C DM]

Understood, but you can't discredit my and other posters experiences either.
All you have to do is tell them it's a gift and to "activate later" and they will sell you a phone.
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Yep, your posted thread and the thread I posted both confirm it is possible.

Right, and the thread I posted was about it becoming possible for someone and that for many it wasn't possible prior to that. And that was in relation to doing it online as well, while stores at times still have their own policies that can either be different for one reason or another or aren't updated as quickly as they should be, or something else of that nature. Again, things being different and/or changing at times for different people.

 

[Abs_p]

What are you trying to avoid, the upgrade fee?

Currently you can't buy a phone from Apple without it being associated to a carrier. So yes, they will know you have a new phone.

Regardless, yes, you can still pop out your SIM and use your Thai SIM (may I suggest AIS) if you so choose. Even if it is purchased on a device payment plan through Apple or Verizon.

Not true. That hasn't been true since a couple of weeks now.
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Apple will not sell you the phone without making sure you have a legit Verizon account. You must give Apple your phone number and passcode to the account (if any). Doesn't matter if you pay in full or not. I bought two iPhone Xs in full, but it required all my AT&T account information and the phone number for each line. Until SIM free is available, it goes through carrier.

Yes you can activate later, but Apple will not sell it to you unless its tied to a phone number. And you must activate it with the number you purchased it before you swap out SIM cards. Its a new "security" measure Apple has added to prevent scalping. I had to activate my X with my phone number before giving it to a family member. Just inserting the family member's SIM card was not enough to "activate" the device. It must be activated with the SIM card it came with and the number it was purchased with.

NOt true at all. I have bought 2 iPhone X on Verizon without ever giving a phone number. You are misinformed. They give you an option to put carrier info later and you can buy those and never enter the phone number but all that is moot now that simfree is available.