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Downloading license-free films is not stealing. Many of these films are uploaded by studios or some government's cultural departments. This is how I was able to watch many foreign films that were never released here either in theater or on DVD

I knew someone would mention iCloud Drive, but it stores its contents on Apple's server not on the internal storage. Without data/wifi connection, I can't access my contents (although i mentioned LTE connection as advantages of tablets...). It seemed to take a bit more steps to organize/import/download contents in iCloud Drive than conventional file system we are used to. And i can't directly access iCloud Drive with USB.. Furthermore I only have 5Gb... Yeah I can pay to have more storage but if I pay money on these devices, I want to be done with it. No more payments. Also, I can do this on Google Drive, don't I..?

This also brings interesting question. Can phones only work on cloud storage? For example, apps are installed and stored on Apple's servers, etc. I guess phones have to have some form of storage to store icons, settings, etc. but it is a possibility

Another thing you cannot do with the iPad Pro is play 8-track tapes. Can your MacBook do that? If not, then completely useless to me! Can it read an 8 inch floppy disk? Useless!!

Sorry for the sarcasm, but yes if you want to use older technology, the newer devices are not going to be ideal, so I would stick with legacy stuff. And yes, hard drives and USB are legacy. You just haven't realized it yet. Kind of like how serial ports were still coming on most computers as late as 2005, but most people stopped using them 5 years earlier. USB is going bye bye. Better keep your old MacBook.

The only wire that should be plugged into a computer is the power cable, and even that will probably not be needed in a few years.
 
Another thing you cannot do with the iPad Pro is play 8-track tapes. Can your MacBook do that? If not, then completely useless to me! Can it read an 8 inch floppy disk? Useless!!

Sorry for the sarcasm, but yes if you want to use older technology, the newer devices are not going to be ideal, so I would stick with legacy stuff. And yes, hard drives and USB are legacy. You just haven't realized it yet. Kind of like how serial ports were still coming on most computers as late as 2005, but most people stopped using them 5 years earlier. USB is going bye bye. Better keep your old MacBook.

The only wire that should be plugged into a computer is the power cable, and even that will probably not be needed in a few years.

Until there is a universal wireless standard for transferring data used by everyone, USB is not going to die. DVD's replaced floppy, USB replaced DVD's. WiFI Direct is a good contender, but it is not something widely implemented yet.
 
Until there is a universal wireless standard for transferring data used by everyone, USB is not going to die. DVD's replaced floppy, USB replaced DVD's. WiFI Direct is a good contender, but it is not something widely implemented yet.
Actually, other than for more specific purposes, there is already a substitute for USB.
Nowadays, I don't see people sharing files via USB sticks anymore. The substitutes are cloud service, email (since email providers now allow larger attachments), or even whatsapp/facebook messenger.

Now there are still uses for USB, especially the versatile USB C. External display, huge file transfer, thunderbolt, etc. For the common low bandwidth things, USB is obsolete, replaced with bluetooth, wifi, and the cloud.
 
Actually, other than for more specific purposes, there is already a substitute for USB.
Nowadays, I don't see people sharing files via USB sticks anymore. The substitutes are cloud service, email (since email providers now allow larger attachments), or even whatsapp/facebook messenger.

Now there are still uses for USB, especially the versatile USB C. External display, huge file transfer, thunderbolt, etc. For the common low bandwidth things, USB is obsolete, replaced with bluetooth, wifi, and the cloud.
Speaking as someone that does a lot of business where we exchange files a lot, I haven't had anyone try to use USB with me in more than a year. Everything is "hey I'll send you the Dropbox link" or "I'll email it to ya". So much easier than having to manually hand someone something and expecting them to return it to you later on
 
Speaking as someone that does a lot of business where we exchange files a lot, I haven't had anyone try to use USB with me in more than a year. Everything is "hey I'll send you the Dropbox link" or "I'll email it to ya". So much easier than having to manually hand someone something and expecting them to return it to you later on
Yup. And there's one thing that the cloud has solved, file system compatibility. I no longer have to wonder if the external storage I have is Mac formatted or NTFS or FAT32. The last thing you want is for your "friend" to reformat your thumb drive just because it was HFS formatted and his Windows machine asked him to format it, or that I cannot put my files in his thumb drive because it's NTFS formatted.
 
Another thing you cannot do with the iPad Pro is play 8-track tapes. Can your MacBook do that? If not, then completely useless to me! Can it read an 8 inch floppy disk? Useless!!

Sorry for the sarcasm, but yes if you want to use older technology, the newer devices are not going to be ideal, so I would stick with legacy stuff. And yes, hard drives and USB are legacy. You just haven't realized it yet. Kind of like how serial ports were still coming on most computers as late as 2005, but most people stopped using them 5 years earlier. USB is going bye bye. Better keep your old MacBook.

The only wire that should be plugged into a computer is the power cable, and even that will probably not be needed in a few years.
 

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No trackpad (mouse support) is the reason why productivity is limited and the desktop versions of office are far superior.....it's not a laptop replacement yet

I would say that Apple has created the pencil to be the new pointer and they have actually done a reasonable job with the touchpad feature for the keyboard and typing. I would love to see them expand this functionality.

Developers have also been catching up slowly with these new inputs particularly the pencil. I have seen some pretty incredible things done with certain apps in the last few weeks. It's only gonna get better.

My point is that the nature of the iPad is fundamentally different mostly because of touch. Apple is starting to show improvement in the usability as a computer by including various levels of input.

The iPad Pro is much closer to replacing laptops than I think a lot of people seem to realize. Still not there yet in a lot of cases though....
 
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Sure it is. Want the movie off your iPad, delete it. Want it back, re-download it. Want to watch it without downloading it, stream it. Pretty painless if you ask me.

That's not a solution. Even apple recommends making a copy of your purchases, because when movies are removed from the iTunes Store you can't redownload them anymore from the cloud.
 
That's not a solution. Even apple recommends making a copy of your purchases, because when movies are removed from the iTunes Store you can't redownload them anymore from the cloud.
When they are removed from the store, they still keep a purchased copy in the cloud for people to download
 
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Not always.
There were old stories years ago about someone buying a movie and it being removed from the store and someone being **** out of luck. Those were corrected by Apple keeping a copy of purchases in the cloud separate from the store listings. Now your purchases are your purchases
 
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There were old stories years ago about someone buying a movie and it being removed from the store and someone being **** out of luck. Those were corrected by Apple keeping a copy of purchases in the cloud separate from the store listings. Now your purchases are your purchases

Apple still recommends backing up your purchases here

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201272

I believe there are some situations still where you might lose access to content, such as when the distribution rights to content have been bought by another company. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.

Apple certainly cannot guarantee they will have the rights to store copies of content and make them available for redownload forever. That's why they tell customers to make backups.
 
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Apple still recommends backing up your purchases here

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201272

I believe there are some situations still where you might lose access to content, such as when the distribution rights to content have been bought by another company. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.

Apple certainly cannot guarantee they will have the rights to store copies of content and make them available for redownload forever. That's why they tell customers to make backups.
Of coarse it's recommended to back things up. That's the default advice for everyone. But if people were routinely buying content on their Apple tv's and it just disappearing all the time, there would be a huge outcry and nobody would ever have confidence in purchasing things through iTunes anymore. This would be a PR nightmare. There are a lot of people that JUST have products like an Apple TV where nothing even can be backed up since everything is streamed. Which is why they have the right to distribute via store and the right to keep a copy on their server for people that have already bought it are separate. I have hundreds of movies purchased through iTunes. A few of them were taken off the store. NONE of them were removed from my purchased list for later download
 
Of coarse it's recommended to back things up. That's the default advice for everyone. But if people were routinely buying content on their Apple tv's and it just disappearing all the time, there would be a huge outcry and nobody would ever have confidence in purchasing things through iTunes anymore. This would be a PR nightmare. There are a lot of people that JUST have products like an Apple TV where nothing even can be backed up since everything is streamed. Which is why they have the right to distribute via store and the right to keep a copy on their server for people that have already bought it are separate. I have hundreds of movies purchased through iTunes. A few of them were taken off the store. NONE of them were removed from my purchased list for later download

I never said they disappear all the time. I said it can still happen and I'm sure it still does. I have copies of all my iTunes purchases - I'll have a look and see if it's all still available for redownload. Last time I checked I'm pretty sure at least two movies were no longer available for redownload. In both cases the distribution rights in the country were purchased by another company.

I am very confident that Apple in no way has a contract that permits them to store content and make it available for download to customers who purchased it forever. Again, the circumstances where content might be removed will be rare, but I'm sure it does still happen.
[doublepost=1460105725][/doublepost]Anyway regardless of whether iCloud purchases might vanish occasionally for a period of time, it doesn't really alter the reality the iPad Pro can and will serve as a laptop replacement for an ever increasing number of people. It's a fantastic product and easily meets the computing needs of a significant number of people.

I love the Mac, but I wouldn't place a very large wager that it will still be around as an actively supported Apple platform in ten years time. I'm not even confident Apple will still be selling Macs in five years.
 
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The debate started due to one simple reason: the very launching of the iPad Pro last November. It's been slightly reconfigured (smart connector and accessories) and re-marketed as a productivity machine. For those that passed on the 12.9" Pro, now the 9.7" Pro has launched and renewed some interest. I personally didn't bite until the 9.7" launched.

So--for the people who never though of the iPad this way, some of them are starting to re-evaluate what they use an iPad for and if that usage can evolve and increase to the point where maybe the Pro really IS the machine they've been waiting for. The other side is the people who are holding on to their laptops for dear life, either because the iPad doesn't do essential things they need to do yet, or because they just aren't willing to change the way they do their computing. Or maybe a little of both. I know I scoffed at the notion of a "Pro" iPad at first too--and it's well documented.

But things are changing. Computing is changing. Hardware and software capability is changing. There are a LOT of computer users out there who never truly NEEDED a full blown Windows or Mac machine to do what they need to do on a computer. That was just the tech that was available to the mass market for a long, long time. Now we have super computers that fit in our pockets, purses, and backpacks. Developers and users alike are starting to want to take full advantage of that freedom. Getting rid of legacy products takes decades because people are resistant to change. The is the phenomenon that the iPad Pro represents, and for some people, that's scary.
Totally agree with you on all counts here! And it's true what you say about part of the reason being is our slowness to adopt from legacy software to the newer kind, that definitely plays a role.

However, for most things, just about any smartphone or tablet can do the majority of things now for most people, but there are still certain things that only computers can do, but it is getting less and less as time goes by. One classic example that's relevant to me personally, is that while nearly every major software company has their own spreadsheet software of some kind, and they're all fine if all you really need are grid-lines and mathematical functions, but for the powerful things that only stuff like VBA for excel could do (not relevant for the everyday user, but essential for programmers like myself), it's the one thing that's still kept me hanging on to my windows machine. (but the sad fact is, I'm having to use my old windows 7 machine to even do it, because later versions don't seem to even fully support it). So I'm dreading the day that windows 10 upgrade becomes mandatory, as I need what it does to be able to fully do my job, and I can use Apple for nearly everything else, and in many ways, Apple simply so most of those things better, so for me personally, without VBA for Excel, Microsoft will simply stop being relevant.

If they start fully supporting it (fully) on the iOS versions of excel though, I do think that would be the future. It's reassuring to see that they seem to have made an attempt, but it's seriously a long way off. But as a programmer, I do strongly feel it's the only way that Microsoft could ever become useful to me again once windows 7 stops existing. (So hint hint Microsoft, sort yourself out!) lol. The post PC era is coming, and is more or less here, but this is no time for killing good stuff off, it's the time that both companies ought to realize what the things are that they do best. There are things that people love about both ways of doing things that need to be kept, and things that people universally hate about each company's methods that should be the focus of what they get rid of. We've all known what each of those things were for quite some time now, so all it would really take is for them just to listen to us! But the day they stop bickering and just bring all the good stuff together in one place, that's the dawn of a bright future (..and also where the money is!!) ;)
 
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Another thing you cannot do with the iPad Pro is play 8-track tapes. Can your MacBook do that? If not, then completely useless to me! Can it read an 8 inch floppy disk? Useless!!

Sorry for the sarcasm, but yes if you want to use older technology, the newer devices are not going to be ideal, so I would stick with legacy stuff. And yes, hard drives and USB are legacy. You just haven't realized it yet. Kind of like how serial ports were still coming on most computers as late as 2005, but most people stopped using them 5 years earlier. USB is going bye bye. Better keep your old MacBook.

The only wire that should be plugged into a computer is the power cable, and even that will probably not be needed in a few years.

I was talking about Android devices - a different approach to replacing laptops, and why Android has an edge. If I'm moving 10gb+ worth of files, I'm connecting USB to my Android device instead of waiting for these files to be uploaded to the cloud
 
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I was talking about Android devices - a different approach to replacing laptops. If I'm moving 10gb+ worth of files, I'm connecting USB to my Android device.

I do a lot of travel to places where cloud access is either totally non-existent or extremely spotty with low-bandwidth connections. If I need additional storage I use a wireless device for local transfers to and from a USB HDD. I cannot - and will not - depend upon Internet connectivity being available.
 
This is just a weird conversation to have. Like "pc " even means anything anymore.

Probably better to think about it less as a term describing a physical device but more as a term describing a logical set of computing-based capabilities that a person can use to perform a set of desired activities. In that sense it means different things to different people, hence why an iPad - or Chromebook - may or may not be a "PC" replacement.
 
And who said a Chromebook can replace a PC???
Google did.
"Chromebooks are built and optimized for the web, so you get a faster, simpler and more secure experience without all the headaches of ordinary computers."

For many people, the internet is their definition of a computer, and it works. Considering the iPad can do more, it can replace a PC for many people.
Do I want a chromebook? No. Do I think an iPad can replace my Mac? No. Doesn't mean I should dismiss the concept.
You, or me != majority of the consumers.
 
I would say that Apple has created the pencil to be the new pointer and they have actually done a reasonable job with the touchpad feature for the keyboard and typing. I would love to see them expand this functionality.

Developers have also been catching up slowly with these new inputs particularly the pencil. I have seen some pretty incredible things done with certain apps in the last few weeks. It's only gonna get better.

My point is that the nature of the iPad is fundamentally different mostly because of touch. Apple is starting to show improvement in the usability as a computer by including various levels of input.

The iPad Pro is much closer to replacing laptops than I think a lot of people seem to realize. Still not there yet in a lot of cases though....



That's pretty much my view with the Pencil (yes I'm a big ol Pencil fanboy, let's get that out of the way) it's so precise and just a pleasure to use. Hell, it's what I've wanted for decades ever since I got Deluxe Paint for my Amiga and thought, wouldn't it be awesome if I could just draw on the screen instead of using a mouse. :)
 
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