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Wow.... you really are taking this to heart, aren't you? This is freaking hilarious. :D:D:D




Michael

No, you seem to think I am. I think Samsung commercials should focus on what the phone does and they should stay away from the trollish commercials like they have done in the past.

That's pathetic advertising.
 
No, you seem to think I am. I think Samsung commercials should focus on what the phone does and they should stay away from the trollish commercials like they have done in the past.

That's pathetic advertising.

Is it really pathetic? Is Coke or Pepsi pathetic for using the other one in their commercials? No one seems to have a problem when those companies put each other down. Why is Samsung different? This is marketing it works and a lot of people like it. If Apple did not like it they have every right to do something about it, but guess what they don't. It is only people on these type of forums that even give a crap about these commercials.
 
It shows Samsung don't need to approach the UK market by slagging off companies like Apple to get sales. Perhaps we are a little more savvy or their market research showed the UK consumer is turned off by negative marketing?

If sales are good for Samsung and they are, they don't need such methods.

Not sure what the reasons are for it (they would probably get sued over here for that)

For me though, If I watched an ad for a product and all I saw was negativity for the competition I would lose interest in the ad/product

If someone wants to advertise something to me, tell me what it can do, whats good about it, why should I but it, I don't want to hear any comments about the competition
 
Is it really pathetic? Is Coke or Pepsi pathetic for using the other one in their commercials? No one seems to have a problem when those companies put each other down. Why is Samsung different? This is marketing it works and a lot of people like it. If Apple did not like it they have every right to do something about it, but guess what they don't. It is only people on these type of forums that even give a crap about these commercials.

You market your product by selling it's strengths. Just saying. Everything else is a waste of money imho. Especially that stupid Nokia wedding commercial which does nothing to promote or market the Nokia.
 
Everyone saying "just show what the product does" isn't understanding advertising.

I'll just quote one of my old posts:

I also want to point out that advertising is not about selling a product, it's about selling a lifestyle.

Apple's current line of ads sell a fantasy land where everything just works instantly and perfectly and you're surrounded by happy family members. Like the one for the panoramic photo feature where the guy takes a photo of a line of kids. The message in all these ads is, you buy this phone, and you will have a seamlessly happy life. This of course reflects Apple's "everything just works" rhetoric.

Notice how there's an underlying tone even in Apple's ads? They are not about the features themselves at all. Who cares about the panorama feature really? We all know every other phone on the market has had it for years. But the demonstration of it in the ad is about the lifestyle of the person using it. And notice how we never see who's using the phone either. That's because you're meant to fill it in with yourself.

The bottom line is, Apple's ads are not meant to make you go "I have to buy this phone because it has a panoramic photo feature" or "I need this noise cancelling mic." It's meant to appeal to your emotions and make you buy the iPhone because at some subconscious level you believe it will make you happier and make your life better. That is how advertising works.

Now look at Samsung's ads here. They're going for a different approach but they're aiming for a similar result. You see these famous actors talk up Samsung and use these phones and you're laughing along. It makes you feel good about Samsung as a company and you think, hey, "these guys are cool, if I get one of those phones I'll be cool as well."

That's why attack ads work so well too. They play to emotions. Ads like this work because they take advantage of the us vs. them mentality of phone geeks and, again, they create comic value.

If anything Samsung's ads are a lot less patronising to their potential customers. They're not saying "we need to sit you down and show you how to use a camera", they're saying "we have the latest features right here, right now, let other people wait a few years and get it yourself today."

If you are going to criticise advertisements you have to keep all this in mind. The golden rule of advertisements is that they do not sell a product, they sell a lifestyle. Whether or not they show what the product does isn't even important. What matters is that they make the viewer associate the right positive emotions towards the company trying to sell whatever it is they're selling.
 
Everyone saying "just show what the product does" isn't understanding advertising.

I'll just quote one of my old posts:

Perhaps I don't understand how advertising works

But I can say for me personally, I want to know what the product I am buying does

I can't think what the new Samsung add looks like, will watch out for it on the TV

The Apple one you mention about taking the panoramic photo, when I see this I just think, AND.....what are you trying to sell me, this way of advertising does not work for me
 
Sure - Anyone can sue anyone for anything they want to (including defamation).

However, Apple would have no chance of winning and it would probably get thrown out of court though and they'd get a bit of a slap for bringing a frivolous lawsuit ;)
 
Perhaps I don't understand how advertising works

But I can say for me personally, I want to know what the product I am buying does

I can't think what the new Samsung add looks like, will watch out for it on the TV

The Apple one you mention about taking the panoramic photo, when I see this I just think, AND.....what are you trying to sell me, this way of advertising does not work for me

This is how advertisers think and it's what most people respond to regardless. Most ads on TV today don't demonstrate the product. Just look at the successful Compare the Market ads. They say absolutely nothing about the website they're advertising, they just make people laugh because there's talking Russian meerkats.
 
This is how advertisers think and it's what most people respond to regardless. Most ads on TV today don't demonstrate the product. Just look at the successful Compare the Market ads. They say absolutely nothing about the website they're advertising, they just make people laugh because there's talking Russian meerkats.

I agree with you on this, and the ads do get me talking about them

But they don't make me think, "I have to buy that", "I must use compare the meerkat for my car insurance" etc

The current ad for Sony phones, where they are taking pictures in India, I believe, all brightly coloured, doesn't give me any reason to buy a Sony phone, unless I only wanted to use it for photos
 
I agree with you on this, and the ads do get me talking about them

But they don't make me think, "I have to buy that", "I must use compare the meerkat for my car insurance" etc

The current ad for Sony phones, where they are taking pictures in India, I believe, all brightly coloured, doesn't give me any reason to buy a Sony phone, unless I only wanted to use it for photos

Those meerkat ads do work though. I've seen a lot of people ask about car insurance and get told to "check out the meerkats." And if you're looking for insurance or an energy supplier or something the meerkats thing might jog your memory. They stick in your head and get you talking.

I agree those Sony ads are crappy though, they don't make me laugh, they don't show off the brand or the product, and they're not particularly memorable.
 
Those meerkat ads do work though. I've seen a lot of people ask about car insurance and get told to "check out the meerkats." And if you're looking for insurance or an energy supplier or something the meerkats thing might jog your memory. They stick in your head and get you talking.

Understand what you mean, they stick in your sub conscious and then you think about them later

Anytime, time for some good old uk tv now with some annoying ads :)
 
I'm not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV), but if I understand the libel law (slander is for spoken offenses), a couple of conditions must be met...the writer must know that the statements are false, and there must be malicious intent.

As I said, not being a lawyer, this is all conjecture on my part, and worth as much as any conjecture is worth...nothing!:p




OMG!

Aren't the courts clogged enough already. If that were possible, the entire legal system would grind to a total, and irreversible, halt.

It's still what he/she was asking about - not saying that it would of been a viable lawsuit. Which is why (in part) you don't have Apple initiating such a lawsuit.

And you could sue someone for stupidity if you wanted. Not going to promise you wouldn't get slapped down/fined for it though.
 
If I pushed my company to market our products by criticising our competitors we'd be sued pure and simple. It's a little different to a phone company as people rely on our products to save their lives in operating theatres, well at least the doctors do lol. Unfortunately consumers are swayed by silly tit for tat on adverts and forums and features are often realised once the product is purchased I'm sure.
 
This is how advertisers think and it's what most people respond to regardless. Most ads on TV today don't demonstrate the product. Just look at the successful Compare the Market ads. They say absolutely nothing about the website they're advertising, they just make people laugh because there's talking Russian meerkats.
I think you are painting all advertising with too broad of a brush. It depends on the product you are trying to sell. As seen on TV ads, for example, absolutely sell on features and product demonstration. There are a heck of a lot of as seen on TV ads.

When the iPhone came out few knew what it was or what it could. So the original ads showed how it worked and what it could do ("this is how you turn it on").

But now that the iPhone is well-known sure it can be sold by lifestyle. One could argue that it has to without major new features. Coke can't sell on features either ;).




Michael
 
Whatever inferior product commercial has the scene where the guy rips open his shirt to reveal a giant Apple logo tatoo is my favorite. I honestly don't remember which phone the commercial is for but I think of the folks on MR when the guy shows his tatoo.
 
Whatever inferior product commercial has the scene where the guy rips open his shirt to reveal a giant Apple logo tatoo is my favorite. I honestly don't remember which phone the commercial is for but I think of the folks on MR when the guy shows his tatoo.

Kinda funny you don't remember the phone. It was Windows phone making fun of the Apple vs Samsung bickering. :D



Michael
 
Kinda funny you don't remember the phone. It was Windows phone making fun of the Apple vs Samsung bickering. :D



Michael

Oh ok. A Windows phone. I am afraid of the word Windows now as it reminds me of my dislike of Vista and Windows 8. Maybe I was mentally blocking.
 
You market your product by selling it's strengths. Just saying. Everything else is a waste of money imho. Especially that stupid Nokia wedding commercial which does nothing to promote or market the Nokia.

You know very little about marketing. Showing your product being better than a competitor's product is a STAPLE in marketing.

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I agree with you on this, and the ads do get me talking about them

But they don't make me think, "I have to buy that", "I must use compare the meerkat for my car insurance" etc

The current ad for Sony phones, where they are taking pictures in India, I believe, all brightly coloured, doesn't give me any reason to buy a Sony phone, unless I only wanted to use it for photos

So if that's the example you want to use to claim marketing against the competition is bad or unsuccessful marketing, what do you say to people who don't want to buy everything based on a commercial that does show what the product does?

For example, the iPhone 5 ad that shows the amazing noise cancellation feature did not make me want to buy an iPhone 5. Would you say then that that's an ineffective ad?

Just trying to keep things consistent here.

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PS. Where's the Youtube link to one of the first iPhone ads? It didn't show the iPhone in action at all. All it showed was people picking up telephones and saying hello. Then the iPhone came in at the end implying this is the new way you'll pick up your phone.

I think it's a great ad. All these people claiming that a good ad has to show what the phone can do would have to say this is a bad iPhone ad.

Consistency, please.

Found it. So according to a lot of people here, this is a bad ad:

 
You market your product by selling it's strengths. Just saying. Everything else is a waste of money imho. Especially that stupid Nokia wedding commercial which does nothing to promote or market the Nokia.

Samsung promotes it's strengths too. They also promote strengths they think they have over the competition. I am not saying I totally agree with hoe they go about it, but that seems to be the way companies market these days. People singling out Samsung like they are the only company that does it is crazy. Yes I know people get a bit too excited when people talk badly about Apple, but come on.

Look at the Ford commercials that show people driving the Escape or the Fusion. All of them are talking how much better the Ford is then their car. Some people even go as far as to say the name of the car they have. We all know these are not real customers, but paid actors. Do you have a problem with these ads? If people do then why is there not an out cry about it?

Edit: here is one of the Ford commercials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruK8hnpKWDA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
How is this any different?
 
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I dont see anything wrong with pointing out a feature, directly or indirect that is on one's own product, that isn't included on one's rivals product in an advertisement.
 
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