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Clearly, the phone does pick up performance from 64-bit, even though it’s got just 1GB of total system memory.

And this from an author who's spinning as fast as he can to avoid completing retracting what he wrote just 5 days earlier. (Note his little strawman argument about "people" claiming that the performance gains were due solely to 64-bit)

The Anandtech tests clearly show what effects are solely due to 64-bit, and the Geekbench result also shows the performance gain from 64-bit when you control for the other factors (the 32-bit tests demonstrate the gains from the CPU architecture, while the 64-bit tests show the gains from 64-bit).
 
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A good analogy is the number of lanes on a freeway. I know that "technically" it's not a perfect analogy, I'm a computer engineering major.

Anyhow, 32-bit is like a freeway with 32 lanes. So 64-bit would be like a freeway with 64 lanes. Which freeway do you think will be faster and more efficient, given that all other factors are controlled for (same)? The 64-bit or 64 lane freeway.

Neither, cause some d****** just swerved in front of a semi and they shut the whole thing down for 2 hours.

(in my analogy, Candy Crush is a semi)
 
And where does this "plain english" come up? And what is it that you are trying to say about it?

the original thread title was 'can someone please explain 64 bit in plain english'
yet here we are, all fapping to technical jargon diarrhea that are mostly cut and paste off 'technical' articles haha

at the end of the day, the 64 bit transition is a long term strategic move.
64bit allows more calculations to be calculated at once and can use more memory for more complex applications.

can today's phones benefit from the architecture change? limited at best. In 2-3 years time? You bet.
And when that time comes, Apple will be ready - all its phones will be 64 bit by then, developers will be ready - they've seen 64bit phones for 2-3 years by then, and you will in turn benefit.

And since Apple is selling you an ecosystem, a roadmap, not just a single phone, that fact is worth marketing.
 
This was already hashed over last year, and you're regurgitating an article that was proven wrong. The ExtremeTech article came out before they did any actual testing, and was nothing more than a bunch of uninformed speculation. Once Anandtech's benchmark test results came out, it precisely documented the exact performance changes that result from the 64-bit migration.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/4

Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you read the follow-up article (written by the same author) that ExtremeTech wrote 5 days after the one that you posted?

iPhone 5S reviews prove Apple got everything right – including 64-bit performance

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That article states that gains are relatively modest because of 64bit.

You know what else is relatively modest as well? 4k from 1080p.

End of the day, the user will not notice a dramatic improvement with 64bit or 4k.

So stop talking as if though 64 bit is a godsend at this time and point now.

It eventually will. Not when it was released a year ago.

Waiting till the feature is mature and "just the right time."

Hey doesnt that sound like a certain company? Ring a bell?

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the original thread title was 'can someone please explain 64 bit in plain english'
yet here we are, all fapping to technical jargon diarrhea that are mostly cut and paste off 'technical' articles haha

at the end of the day, the 64 bit transition is a long term strategic move.
64bit allows more calculations to be calculated at once and can use more memory for more complex applications.

can today's phones benefit from the architecture change? limited at best. In 2-3 years time? You bet.
And when that time comes, Apple will be ready - its phones then will all be 64 bit, developers will be ready - they've seen 64bit phones for 2-3 years then, and you will in turn benefit.

And since Apple is selling you an ecosystem, a roadmap, not just a single phone, that fact is worth marketing.

This i completely agree with.

In a couple years, yeah 64bit will benefit the devs, users, etc.

Not right now or 1 year ago.
 
That article states that gains are relatively modest because of 64bit.

You know what else is relatively modest as well? 4k from 1080p.

End of the day, the user will not notice a dramatic improvement with 64bit or 4k.

So stop talking as if though 64 bit is a godsend at this time and point now.

It eventually will. Not when it was released a year ago.

Waiting till the feature is mature and "just the right time."

Hey doesnt that sound like a certain company? Ring a bell?

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This i completely agree with.

In a couple years, yeah 64bit will benefit the devs, users, etc.

Not right now or 1 year ago.
Even some benefit now is still a benefit, right? And starting to make things ready for the future earlier rather than later is also a benefit in itself, right? Right.
 
Listen to Bahroo. Excellent summary.

There's more to 64 bit than the bitness. A casual user might not notice a difference today, but in a year or two when applications (and iOS) start to leverage the capabilities of the new architecture, 32-bit devices will start to be left behind, as we've seen in the PC world.
 
That article states that gains are relatively modest because of 64bit.

You know what else is relatively modest as well? 4k from 1080p.

End of the day, the user will not notice a dramatic improvement with 64bit or 4k.

Wow. You're spinning even harder than the author of that article! At least he halfway admitted he was dead wrong, and didn't try to change the subject.

"Modest" benefit > "no benefit" -- you do understand that, don't you?

And if you look at the Geekbench results, the iPhone 5s had a 97% performance increase -- nearly half of which can be directly attributed to 64-bit. "Modest" yuh ... :D

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So stop talking as if though 64 bit is a godsend at this time and point now.

Show me where I make that claim. You posted a bogus article and I refuted it with actual test results and the author's own semi-retraction. Next time you do a Google search, it might help if you post an article that was written after the actual product was tested.

swy05 said:
It eventually will. Not when it was released a year ago.

Waiting till the feature is mature and "just the right time."

Hey doesnt that sound like a certain company? Ring a bell?


Oh, so now it's an "eventual" benefit. How can 64-bit result in "eventual" or even "modest" benefit when you were claiming "no benefit"? Is this the same thing as multiplying by zero, and expecting a gain?
 
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the original thread title was 'can someone please explain 64 bit in plain english'
yet here we are, all fapping to technical jargon diarrhea that are mostly cut and paste off 'technical' articles haha

at the end of the day, the 64 bit transition is a long term strategic move.
64bit allows more calculations to be calculated at once and can use more memory for more complex applications.

can today's phones benefit from the architecture change? limited at best. In 2-3 years time? You bet.
And when that time comes, Apple will be ready - all its phones will be 64 bit by then, developers will be ready - they've seen 64bit phones for 2-3 years by then, and you will in turn benefit.

And since Apple is selling you an ecosystem, a roadmap, not just a single phone, that fact is worth marketing.
I'm not sure why you guys keep spreading misinformation about iOS devices not taking advantage of 64-bit technology.
Just to give one example the most used app/apps takes full of vantage of 64-bit technology you want to take a guess at what it is I'll tell youit's the Camera app.this is why the iPhone pictures take such great pictures with less than superior camera hardware.

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That article states that gains are relatively modest because of 64bit.

You know what else is relatively modest as well? 4k from 1080p.

End of the day, the user will not notice a dramatic improvement with 64bit or 4k.

So stop talking as if though 64 bit is a godsend at this time and point now.

It eventually will. Not when it was released a year ago.

Waiting till the feature is mature and "just the right time."

Hey doesnt that sound like a certain company? Ring a bell?

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This i completely agree with.

In a couple years, yeah 64bit will benefit the devs, users, etc.

Not right now or 1 year ago.
stop spreading miss information. It's always the ones that really do not have a use for a iPhone that want to downplay its abilities!
 
That article states that gains are relatively modest because of 64bit.

You know what else is relatively modest as well? 4k from 1080p.

End of the day, the user will not notice a dramatic improvement with 64bit or 4k.

So stop talking as if though 64 bit is a godsend at this time and point now.

It eventually will. Not when it was released a year ago.

Waiting till the feature is mature and "just the right time."

Hey doesnt that sound like a certain company? Ring a bell?

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This i completely agree with.

In a couple years, yeah 64bit will benefit the devs, users, etc.

Not right now or 1 year ago.

I can actually tell a immediate difference between 4k and 1080p, that is just completly rubbish and untrue, I bet 85% of people can tell the difference between 4K and 1080p, 4K is almost Retina like...it just looks like a painting almost, it is ridiculously clear
 
I'm not sure why you guys keep spreading misinformation about iOS devices not taking advantage of 64-bit technology.
Just to give one example the most used app/apps takes full of vantage of 64-bit technology you want to take a guess at what it is I'll tell youit's the Camera app.this is why the iPhone pictures take such great pictures with less than superior camera hardware.

This is a BAD example. There isn't much, if any difference in image quality between the 5 and the 5s. Put 5/5s pictures side to side and you'll have a hard time telling them apart. Certainly it isn't the huge difference that you portray it to be.

http://snapsnapsnap.photos/how-does-the-iphone-6-camera-compare-to-previous-iphone-cameras/
 
This is a BAD example. There isn't much, if any difference in image quality between the 5 and the 5s. Put 5/5s pictures side to side and you'll have a hard time telling them apart. Certainly it isn't the huge difference that you portray it to be.

http://snapsnapsnap.photos/how-does-the-iphone-6-camera-compare-to-previous-iphone-cameras/

Are you kidding me? dynamic local tone mapping, and a bunch of other features of the ISP on the A7 that makes it much noticeably better then the 5, look at how it handles all the lighting and detail over the 5 in a multitude of lighting conditions, gets the color more accurate and detailed, less muddy, and also performs a bit better in low light
 
Are you kidding me? dynamic local tone mapping, and a bunch of other features of the ISP on the A7 that makes it much noticeably better then the 5, look at how it handles all the lighting and detail over the 5 in a multitude of lighting conditions, gets the color more accurate and detailed, less muddy, and also performs a bit better in low light

Tell me, which of those buzzwords would you attribute to 64 bit and which you would to the faster lens, larger pixel size, and newer CMOS technology of the 5s.

Apart from purple flare of the 5's lens, I doubt you can identify which phone is which in a blind test. The differences are minor, at best.

From the 5s -> 6, you also see minor differences, but it is still very hard to tell the pictures apart. If anything, the jump here is more noticeable to me. Are you going to attribute those differences to the change to 64bit again? But.. the 5s is 64bit as well!
 
Tell me, which of those buzzwords would you attribute to 64 bit and which you would to the faster lens, larger pixel size, and newer CMOS technology of the 5s.

Apart from purple flare of the 5's lens, I doubt you can identify which phone is which in a blind test. The differences are minor, at best.

From the 5s -> 6, you also see minor differences, but it is still very hard to tell the pictures apart. Are you going to attribute those differences to the change to 64bit again? But.. the 5s is 64bit as well!

Part of the 64 bit bump is slo mo.
 
Not talking about android. Afaik, 5c cannot do slomo. At any rate explanation to lay person may be difficult, but Apple is clearly setting themselves up for the future.

You are making it seem that moving to 64bit opened the door for slow motion video capture, with the implication that it cannot be done w/32bit.

The ability to capture slow motion video is not exclusive to 64bit processing.
 
Tell me, which of those buzzwords would you attribute to 64 bit and which you would to the faster lens, larger pixel size, and newer CMOS technology of the 5s.

Apart from purple flare of the 5's lens, I doubt you can identify which phone is which in a blind test. The differences are minor, at best.

From the 5s -> 6, you also see minor differences, but it is still very hard to tell the pictures apart. If anything, the jump here is more noticeable to me. Are you going to attribute those differences to the change to 64bit again? But.. the 5s is 64bit as well!

Actually there is a percetiple difference between the 5S and 5, depending on certain conditions, the 5S handling of contrast and dynamic range in certain scenarios would be a huge advantage to the 5S, just like with the sun scene and the picture of the girl, more color accurate instantly and a better balance to the photo, and not only that, in video, the 5S handles dynamic range tons better and 5S video handles over exposure and others noticeably better because of 64 bit yes

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You are making it seem that moving to 64bit opened the door for slow motion video capture, with the implication that it cannot be done w/32bit.

The ability to capture slow motion video is not exclusive to 64bit processing.

720p at 240 fps isnt done without 64 bit
 
Actually there is a percetiple difference between the 5S and 5, depending on certain conditions, the 5S handling of contrast and dynamic range in certain scenarios would be a huge advantage to the 5S, just like with the sun scene and the picture of the girl, more color accurate instantly and a better balance to the photo, and not only that, in video, the 5S handles dynamic range tons better and 5S video handles over exposure and others noticeably better because of 64 bit yes

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720p at 240 fps isnt done without 64 bit

Source?

So 720p @120fps is no problem with 32 bit, but double the frame rate and it suddenly REQUIRES 64bit? :rolleyes:

Are you telling me that the Panasonic FZ-1000 is a 64bit camera? Are DSLRs 64 bit because they have better dynamic range, color accuracy, and white balance? Hint: No they aren't.

You guys keep saying that XYZ can't be done without 64 bit. Don't just spout buzzwords and state things without backing them up. Prove it.
 
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Source?

So 720p @120fps is no problem with 32 bit, but double the frame rate and it suddenly REQUIRES 64bit? :rolleyes:

Are you telling me that the Panasonic FZ-1000 is a 64bit camera? Are DSLRs 64 bit because they have better dynamic range, color accuracy, and white balance? Hint: No they aren't.

You guys keep saying that XYZ can't be done without 64 bit. Don't just spout buzzwords and state things without backing them up. Prove it.


The fz 1000 is not 7.1 mm.
 
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