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Can we please remove the vote buttons?
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It's not about thin skin, it's about downvoters lack of backbone. I really can't shake the feeling that downvoters are just whiny teenagers. To disagree is one thing, that is a foundation for discussion where both parts can learn and enrich each other, but a mere -1 is weak and serves no purpose. How is a badly formulated opinion helped in any way by negative points under it?
As I saw someone write in their signature - downvoting is for sissies.
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That is also a sollution I would agree on, that the downvote at the same time is argued for. I mean, I don't take it personally if I get downvotes, but the lack of explanation just seems so childish.
Downvoting
Poster 1: Blabla!
Poster 2: -1
Poster 1: Blabla!
Poster 2: -1!!!!
Poster 1: Blabla!
No downvoting
Poster 1: Blabla!
Poster 2: No, because blabla.
Poster 1: I see, you're right! Thanks!
Both posters: *intercourse and rainbows*
As I saw someone write in their signature - downvoting is for sissies.
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That is also a sollution I would agree on, that the downvote at the same time is argued for. I mean, I don't take it personally if I get downvotes, but the lack of explanation just seems so childish.
Downvoting
Poster 1: Blabla!
Poster 2: -1
Poster 1: Blabla!
Poster 2: -1!!!!
Poster 1: Blabla!
No downvoting
Poster 1: Blabla!
Poster 2: No, because blabla.
Poster 1: I see, you're right! Thanks!
Both posters: *intercourse and rainbows*
More like:
Poster 1: Blabla!
Posters 2-N: One of "No, because blabla", or "shut up troll", or "shut up Apple hater", or "shut up fanboy"
Poster 1: goes off to post drivel in a different thread
Much better.
If discussion over the internet with people you don't know well ever really facilitated learning and enrichment I'd be with you. But it's more like two people shouting till one of them dies.
I've learnt a lot on these forums. I find that if you avoid the rumours discussion bit, most people elsewhere are civil and helpful.
I am aware of this, but that's really up to them to waste their time. I am here to learn from people that know more than me, maybe help someone if I can and generally contribute to the community with input and opinions. If you are too we should talk more.
Well I see the whiny little flamers in this forum got what they wanted and Arny did the WORST POSSIBLE thing by leaving a half-baked stupid "you can only vote YES" system in place rather than just remove the entire thing. The system now makes zero sense and communicates exactly NOTHING since it's entirely one-sided and ignores at least half the argument. It also ignored the poll results entirely and gave the whiny minority (who stooped to flaming everyone that disagreed with them in their signatures which violates the rules on here) exactly what they demanded rather than a fix or compromise to the system or just simply removing the voting option entirely (all reasonable alternatives rather than making voting less than useless).
Congratulations Arn. I see you really thought this through and ignored the rules on your own site by siding with rule breaker/flamers, which in my eyes now invalidates the entire rule system since it's clearly a freaking joke when not enforced and polls are meaningless when ignored and the last thing you should ever do is give into flamers. I will certainly not support this site now or ever because of this. Have a nice day.
Congratulations Arn. I see you really thought this through and ignored the rules on your own site by siding with rule breaker/flamers, which in my eyes now invalidates the entire rule system since it's clearly a freaking joke when not enforced and polls are meaningless when ignored and the last thing you should ever do is give into flamers. I will certainly not support this site now or ever because of this. Have a nice day.
No, more like:
Poster 1: Blabla!
Posters 2-N: One of "No, because blabla", or "shut up troll", or "shut up Apple hater", or "shut up fanboy"
Poster 1: No, *you* are the troll. Shut up Apple hater / fanboy. You have no idea what you are talking about because blablah!
Posters 2-N: Troll! Troll! Shut up!
Poster 3: Can't we all just get along?
Posters 1&2 to Poster 3: SHUT UP!
At which point someone calls the mods and all posts get deleted / thread gets locked.
I guess down voting makes some people feel better about themselves. Just because we don't have it anymore, doesn't change anything. If someone post something inappropriate, then report it to the mods and they will handle it. Stop acting like children. This is still the best Apple forums, and will continue to be, with or without the down vote option. If you don't like it, then leave. I'm pretty sure the moment you leave, another will join.
Right.
Riiiight.
Some people are taking this issue just a little too seriously. It's all bound to blow over in a week or so.
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As a compromise I propose that the downvote option only appears for any upvoted comments (greater than 0). Or possibly the downvote option is always there, but it will never visually display lower than 0. (i.e. poster at 0, downvoted: stay at 0, upvoted: stay at 0, upvoted: go to +1)
The reason I suggest this is because this still removes the negativity from having a -X but still yields a more accurate representation of the post. In the past many posts would have a +4 but a -10. This obviously would result in a -6 and quickly show that most people disagree with the post. Now that post would just show a +4 and give a less realistic view of the feel of the community. Over the last day I've seen many posts at +2 or +3 that I wished so badly I could show my disagreement with. But if I replied to every single post I would have -1'd then I'd never have any free time.
I'm also in favor of some sort of "trolling" and/or "not factual/not good advice", buttons that collapses the post after 5 votes in that category. But I understand this might be too big of a change/too complicated.
The reason I suggest this is because this still removes the negativity from having a -X but still yields a more accurate representation of the post. In the past many posts would have a +4 but a -10. This obviously would result in a -6 and quickly show that most people disagree with the post. Now that post would just show a +4 and give a less realistic view of the feel of the community. Over the last day I've seen many posts at +2 or +3 that I wished so badly I could show my disagreement with. But if I replied to every single post I would have -1'd then I'd never have any free time.
I'm also in favor of some sort of "trolling" and/or "not factual/not good advice", buttons that collapses the post after 5 votes in that category. But I understand this might be too big of a change/too complicated.
That's on a par with the common trite responses around here, such as if you don't like a change in OS X, buy a Windows PC, if you don't like a change in iOS, buy an Android phone, if you want a new Mac Pro, go buy a Windows machine etc etc. Normally those all get down voted of course.
Everyone is saying how childish it is to downvote an inane comment....
How childish is it to get all flustered over a practically invisible negative rating on your inane comment?
How childish is it to get all flustered over a practically invisible negative rating on your inane comment?
Well, why don't you just write a counter argument if someone writes something you don't like?
Either eliminate both or bring back the down arrow. Right now it's a joke.
The down vote is great precisely because it serves to avoid arguments. Being able to down vote a stupid post gives people some semblance of input and makes them less likely to reply and/or flame the post. It's a little outlet of sorts and it helps to keep things in check.
But it looks like the mods are circling the wagons.
If your sole reason for being on this site was to downvote other peoples' posts, you're here for the wrong reasons. If taking away a vote button (up or down) removes all the fun for you being on the site, you've missed most of the purpose of this site.
Moreover, it allows well-behaved community members to discreetly register their displeasure with antisocial (or even troll) posters without elevating the troll's thread to the top of the forum listing and giving it heightened (and undeserved) visibility.
Ever notice what happens when a suspect-troll creates a post with a deliberately controversial title? As everyone posts to the thread refuting the title, the trollish title actually rises to the top of the forum and repeatedly appears in Forum Spy. That's priceless exposure for a troll. All the passing user (i.e., most of us) sees is the trollish message repeated over and over. Like all advertising, it makes an impression.
Well, its pretty simple: if you don't like something, then don't sit around and complain, feel free to go visit another Apple forum that has both up and down vote buttons. Same for a cellphones: if you don't like the size of an iPhone, then don't come to MacRumors and complain about it, feel free to switch to Android. I just don't get how people complain ALL the time. Be grateful we even have a forum that we can voice our opinions (within reason) on.
Anyway, I'm done with this post and not coming back to it.
While it's less productive and helpful than a post, I don't think it's childish to downvote an inane comment. I do think it's childish to downvote a comment regardless of its content, simply because the voter doesn't like the poster.
Yes, the purpose was originally to show disagreement. But that's not what you said.
Your original post - the one my comment was addressing - read:
Telling someone they're an [expletive] is not the same as disagreeing with them. My point was if you thought the down votes were there so you could find a way to circumvent the rules to insult someone, you misunderstood their purpose.
I'd like to see them gone completely but at the very least the vote down has to stay removed.
Too many over sensitive people get butt hurt here if you say anything slightly negative about Apple. It's sickening really....borderline cult behavior.
Too many over sensitive people get butt hurt here if you say anything slightly negative about Apple. It's sickening really....borderline cult behavior.
Who are you to tell others what the purpose of this site is and that their reasons for being here may be wrong?
The purpose of the site is clearly established:
No where in there does it say the purpose is to downvote other peoples' posts. The site was created long before the vote buttons were introduced.
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