superlawyer15
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No, it's really not.
And morality is an extremely subjective set of principles which vary from person to person, culture to culture. Theres no single metric that what give rise to a single definition as you claim.
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No, it's really not.
And morality is an extremely subjective set of principles which vary from person to person, culture to culture. Theres no single metric that what give rise to a single definition as you claim.
Wildgift
macrumors 6502
I find it fair to sell it in eBay... Actually I ordered one but shipping date is June, so I want to buy one that has shipping date April 24th so I can get it early. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Donstil-nl
macrumors 6502a
Just put it down on eBay.
I always do it.
Got 4 x iPhones 6 on release. Put 3 of them down on our local Marktplaats (Like Craigslist only for my country) and got mine for free.
Two of the guys who got at my door where just kind folks. They know they are paying an extra but he, they can afford it and one of the guys told me he was paying more if he had to take a day of work to go get it at the Apple Store. That's one way to think about it 🙂
So don't listen to the morals here. Just keep it and put it for sale.
That only is legit for people with a SS btw, people with a Sport should cancel so I can get mine sooner 🙂
MH01
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I'll agree with you, that is a good answer. So living in a capitalistic society, how is this an immoral act?
sniffies
macrumors 603
Ok here is my dilemma.
I ordered 3 42 watches on launch
SS Sport 24/4
SS Mayo 24/4
SS Black 12/5
Before ordering I really wanted the Black, but thought I would order the other 2 and try on that day, and cancel the remaining.
I went to try on, and the only 42 they had was the Sport Band. The only Mayo they had was 38, and there was no Black available.
I then got forced into cancelling 1 of my orders, just in case uncle Apple decided that it was in my interest to randomly cancel either 1 or all of my orders for being a bad boy!
I now have another appointment on Tuesday at another store to try and find a space black to try so I can compare 42 with 42 against the Mayo.
So dilemma is that I need to compare Mayo with Black before I can finally decide, and the only way to do that is to wait until the 12/5, when I ca compare my 2 orders. On the 12/5, I will have exceeded the 14 day return policy.
So.... If I like the Mayo, no problem. The Black goes back. However... If I like the Black, the Mayo is surplus and gets sold. In the UK, we don't have Craig's as the first stop place to buy. Everyone goes to eBay, so I will sell where I am going to get the most money for my surplus watch because Apple won't take it back.
I hope I sell for double what I paid for it! << and pay for mine in the process 🙂
Controversial?
...or what any normal money conscious person would do to recover their loss, and (don't shoot me for it for breaking the 10 commandments) make a profit from the process that I have been pushed through by uncle Apple and its policies.
😀
I ordered 3 42 watches on launch
SS Sport 24/4
SS Mayo 24/4
SS Black 12/5
Before ordering I really wanted the Black, but thought I would order the other 2 and try on that day, and cancel the remaining.
I went to try on, and the only 42 they had was the Sport Band. The only Mayo they had was 38, and there was no Black available.
I then got forced into cancelling 1 of my orders, just in case uncle Apple decided that it was in my interest to randomly cancel either 1 or all of my orders for being a bad boy!
I now have another appointment on Tuesday at another store to try and find a space black to try so I can compare 42 with 42 against the Mayo.
So dilemma is that I need to compare Mayo with Black before I can finally decide, and the only way to do that is to wait until the 12/5, when I ca compare my 2 orders. On the 12/5, I will have exceeded the 14 day return policy.
So.... If I like the Mayo, no problem. The Black goes back. However... If I like the Black, the Mayo is surplus and gets sold. In the UK, we don't have Craig's as the first stop place to buy. Everyone goes to eBay, so I will sell where I am going to get the most money for my surplus watch because Apple won't take it back.
I hope I sell for double what I paid for it! << and pay for mine in the process 🙂
Controversial?
...or what any normal money conscious person would do to recover their loss, and (don't shoot me for it for breaking the 10 commandments) make a profit from the process that I have been pushed through by uncle Apple and its policies.
😀
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It is clearly bad behavior... if it wasn't there would not be any anti-scalping laws.
Cancelled my 38mm and glad someone will get bumped up. I don't want a noble peace prize though. That I would sell.
Switchback666
macrumors 68000
If you do ebay check buyer profile first, either way cashout as soon funds are available and make sure you are covered under seller protection.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
No its not, he's free to do what ever he wants. You may disagree but morality has nothing to do with reselling products that he purchased.
The legality of scalping is at best questionable. It is morally wrong to knowingly engage in activities where the legality is questionable. You are setting yourself up.
Anti scalping laws are in place when there is no availability of a product, such as an event. A concert event that is sold out does not have any availability. A mass produced product such as this watch IS available, you just have to wait. If you want to get the product quicker, it is simply a matter of how much you are willing to pay. Once you own a product, unless you have a contractual agreement not to sell at a higher price, it is your right to sell at whatever price you want, and it is the buyer's right to either buy it or not.
It is not price gouging either. This requires a natural disaster, and the product needs to be a staple, such as food, gas, hardware for repairs, and services, but not luxury items such as watched, phones.
There is nothing bad about buying something to make a profit. The used car industry, antique industry and housing industry are based on buying something in order to sell for a profit. As long as one pays taxes on the profit, there is NOTHING wrong with this.
bunnicula
macrumors 68040
So, do you just not want it? If you already know this, might as well cancel. The hassle of eBay isn't worth the meager profit unless you already took delivery and have to deal with getting rid of it one way or another anyway.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
The economic collapse that was caused by selling houses to people that can't afford them might be legal but it's wrong.
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I justify it by the fact that it's nicer. You'll never forget to put it on.
The economic collapse that was caused by selling houses to people that can't afford them might be legal but it's wrong.
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I justify it by the fact that it's nicer. You'll never forget to put it on.
This isn't some life-saving vaccine that you're hoarding to make a profit on, it's a luxury good. Nobody "needs" an Apple Watch on launch day.
I personally wouldn't want to go through the hassle of trying to sell it, but if you think it's worth it, don't let anybody tell you otherwise. You didn't buy a hundred of them to scalp on eBay, you just happen to have an extra one, and if you do plan on selling it, you should get as much money from it as you can. That's how capitalism works.
I personally wouldn't want to go through the hassle of trying to sell it, but if you think it's worth it, don't let anybody tell you otherwise. You didn't buy a hundred of them to scalp on eBay, you just happen to have an extra one, and if you do plan on selling it, you should get as much money from it as you can. That's how capitalism works.
Wrong? Seriously? Selling an item for more than you pay for it, is not wrong. Stockpiling deliberately to trade shows initiative, but is not wrong either.
Some people really don't like that and some do not care what others do. I would not pay an overinflated price, but there are plenty who will, so how can it be wrong to supply on that need?
I don't care what he does personally. Apple mass produces these products and everyone will get one eventually.
He did ask should he cancel or sell it on Ebay. The logical thing to do is to just cancel it or return it. It's weird to do anything else when you don't want a product.
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That's a strawman logical fallacy. I never said it was wrong for him to sell an item more than he paid for it.
There is a morality side to the concept of "it's legal so it must be right". This kind of thinking is dangerous and undermines a civil society.
He did ask should he cancel or sell it on Ebay. The logical thing to do is to just cancel it or return it. It's weird to do anything else when you don't want a product.
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That's a strawman logical fallacy. I never said it was wrong for him to sell an item more than he paid for it.
There is a morality side to the concept of "it's legal so it must be right". This kind of thinking is dangerous and undermines a civil society.
Interesting. I do understand that this type of have it now, lets make more money approach to life is bad for society, and that it may not be good to feed to, or on that need.
However, I do feel that if you have managed to bag 2, and drop 1, its like giving up Wonka's golden ticket which could even be able to pay for your own investment.
I don't have a fortune to spend, but I can afford an Watch for myself without my family going without food, clothing and healthcare. This does not mean that I would turn it down if there are other people who have more disposable income than me want to help me pay for mine by paying a little more for there own.
I vote keep it, sell it, help fund your own by a couple of hundred by selling to someone who has lesser regard for money than yourself. No harm in that at all. 🙂
I really don't care what the OP does with his watches.
My concern is when people say "it's not illegal so it's ok to do it". That is dangerous thinking. To not have a moral compass nor the ability to critically think for the good of the human race is concerning.
It tells me if murder was legal he/she would do it. It's legal so it must be ok. Really?
I really can't spell it out any more than that. If you don't get it that too is concerning.
My concern is when people say "it's not illegal so it's ok to do it". That is dangerous thinking. To not have a moral compass nor the ability to critically think for the good of the human race is concerning.
It tells me if murder was legal he/she would do it. It's legal so it must be ok. Really?
I really can't spell it out any more than that. If you don't get it that too is concerning.
superlawyer15
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Because there are varying degrees of capitalism.
Just because you can make money on something doesn't mean its moral or in some cases legal.
You can make a ton of money selling crack, but that is both immoral and illegal.
You can make a ton of money selling sub-prime mortgages to people who have no business taking out a mortgage; that was very immoral, but also ultra-capitalistic and legal ...yet look at what happened because of it.
Just because we live in a so called capitalistic country and you can make money doing something without technically running afoul with the law doesn't mean it's ok to do it.
In the instant case, buying extra quantities of a popular device in short supply is in my opinion immoral based on my subjective definition of the term. When you buy a product from Apple they are selling it to you with the understanding that you are the end-user, they aren't selling it to you for the purposes of resale.
So you're in effect misrepresenting your intentions to them, aka lying. Which I find to be immoral.
BeyondtheTech
macrumors 68020
Have you preordered all three WATCHes on one credit card? There's a possibility that the last one will be canceled due to a quantity limit.
As for the OP's original message, there's only a few scenarios, and everyone is going to have an opinion about each:
- Let the order arrive. Keep the WATCH. You'll learn to love it.
- Let the order arrive. Try out the WATCH. If you don't like it, return it to the store.
- Let the order arrive. Don't open it, just sell it on eBay or CraigsList.
- Sell the preorder on eBay or CraigsList.
- Cancel the order.
As I stated, everyone's going to have an opinion on each of the above scenarios:
- No harm, no foul.
- You're going to be contributing to a probable pool of people who are going to return or exchange their WATCH, flooding Apple with open box or refurb sales. Might be called wasteful initially, but could eventually benefit one people who will buy it at a discount in the Refurbished section of the Apple website.
- They'll call you a capitalist, a scalper, an ass, immoral, etc.
- They'll call you a capitalist, a scalper, an ass, immoral, etc.
- Some people will appreciate you, should you tell publicly. Most people won't care. One person will be bumped up slightly earlier for their delivery, making them happier.
Bottom line is, do what feels right to you, and just keep it to yourself. None of the above scenarios are illegal, nor are they "immoral," unless you went into the purchase knowing you weren't going to keep it in the first place.
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Oh dear... I really don't think what the OP posted is a big enough deal to compare it with murder, so no, I don't get it 😕
Maybe we should remember this is a forum that is focused on materialism, and not a guide for humanity
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Nah, its ok I have cancelled the sport, sorry if there was a lot of words in my post to say this, but its in there somewhere 😱
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I really don't believe that I have entered into a contract with Apple not to resell the item I have purchased.
To my knowledge they have not asked, nor have I inferred that this was my not my intention.
Anyhow, I respect your higher level of morals. It does feel quite nice to be honest that in cancelling my 3rd watch I have in fact made one person's day a better one 🙂