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cancelled my new MBP penryn order
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This thread does have a little bit of the "stamp my little feet" about it. What is the OP trying to say? Whether you wanted a new design or not, you simply cannot argue that the new updates do not represent good value for money right now, so most people would be puzzled by your choice.
New MBPs are not THAT far away - and nor will they ever be, and there are always good and bad things about that (e.g. good = we get the new technology, bad = our current Mac's value will decrease). Only you can make the right choice for you but please don't presume that the rest of the world needs to know that.
New MBPs are not THAT far away - and nor will they ever be, and there are always good and bad things about that (e.g. good = we get the new technology, bad = our current Mac's value will decrease). Only you can make the right choice for you but please don't presume that the rest of the world needs to know that.
Yeah thats exactly my plan as well...Best time to buy would be now, next update isnt going to be very significant anyway, especially in the case of OP where he actually wants to migrate from win to OSx. Use this updated version for a year or so until Nehalem and major case redesign, then dump Penryn and get Nehalem which is supposed to be some significant leap forward.
you will regret sometime later since I used to do the same thing last year. I returned a MBP after the rumor said new one would come out at MWSF. Then I started to wait....and this was tough. Altho now I got the new one, I still regret the thing I did - I wasted 3 whole months just for waiting a similar stuff.
markrivers
macrumors 6502a
I agree with the OP. If you're just going to be running bootcamped Vista, there's really no point in getting an MBP right now. If you have $2000-2400 bucks to blow, you might as well as get the new Thinkpad X300. You could also get a very competitive HP/Compaq for half the price (they are built like tanks, I have a 3-year old Compaq that I bought for $400 and runs not that worse than the MBP).
The MBP isn't nearly as solid as you think. I have a 2.2ghz and the case has flex, the metal sheets near the vent expands from the heat. The aluminum finish also peels (unless you use a case everywhere, I don't have that patience). It needs a new case design BADLY.
$2000 is not a trivial amount of money. You can buy a very nice mid-nineties Honda Accord for $2000. I wouldn't spend $2000 on another laptop unless it had a Blu-ray burner and a 7200rpm harddrive (or SSD). I have a PS3, so most of the movies I buy now are already in Blu-ray format. I'm not spending $2000 for a machine that can't play my new movie collection.
The MBP isn't nearly as solid as you think. I have a 2.2ghz and the case has flex, the metal sheets near the vent expands from the heat. The aluminum finish also peels (unless you use a case everywhere, I don't have that patience). It needs a new case design BADLY.
$2000 is not a trivial amount of money. You can buy a very nice mid-nineties Honda Accord for $2000. I wouldn't spend $2000 on another laptop unless it had a Blu-ray burner and a 7200rpm harddrive (or SSD). I have a PS3, so most of the movies I buy now are already in Blu-ray format. I'm not spending $2000 for a machine that can't play my new movie collection.
Jeez... I opened this link thinking that you found out something about the new platform that made it unreliable or something...
I bought my first apple in september of 2004. It was a 15 inch powerbook G4, 80gb hard drive, 128 video card. (The 100gb option was getting complaints because of ping-pong ball sounds). If it didn't get rained on, I'd still be computing away with no problem!
That machine, despite being replaced by intel chipsets, dual layer DVD drives, bigger video cards, LED backlighting, More dense screens, bigger HD's, more memory, etc etc still ran as fast as it did from day one (Which, let me tell ya, next to any PC laptop was fast as heck!).
The screen still looks amazing, the body is still beautiful (A classic... just like the old 3 series, you'll never get tired of looking at them...) and the machine still handled everything I threw at it, without a hitch.
Technology is being updated daily. My 8gb iphone is going to be "inferior" in a couple months, My 2 year old TV is going to be inferior in less than a year, my 1gb flash drive is now one of the smallest ones on the market, my digital camera is a brick next to todays!
Yet... they all still work very well.... and they're all still worth every penny I spent on them.
I love to buy the biggest and baddest (Even though my wallet has to be tweaked to accomodate these things). If you buy big on certain things, like computers, you'll probably get a lot more out of them than if you bought the $600 budget model. So, I think there's no reason to hold out, unless you have a perfectly fine computer.
PS: If the next MBP is updates as extensively as it claims to be, you're going to probably want to hold out for revision 2 to avoid any problems apple looked over. So, you could be waiting longer than June (Or whenever they're coming out)
Just my humble opinion....
I bought my first apple in september of 2004. It was a 15 inch powerbook G4, 80gb hard drive, 128 video card. (The 100gb option was getting complaints because of ping-pong ball sounds). If it didn't get rained on, I'd still be computing away with no problem!
That machine, despite being replaced by intel chipsets, dual layer DVD drives, bigger video cards, LED backlighting, More dense screens, bigger HD's, more memory, etc etc still ran as fast as it did from day one (Which, let me tell ya, next to any PC laptop was fast as heck!).
The screen still looks amazing, the body is still beautiful (A classic... just like the old 3 series, you'll never get tired of looking at them...) and the machine still handled everything I threw at it, without a hitch.
Technology is being updated daily. My 8gb iphone is going to be "inferior" in a couple months, My 2 year old TV is going to be inferior in less than a year, my 1gb flash drive is now one of the smallest ones on the market, my digital camera is a brick next to todays!
Yet... they all still work very well.... and they're all still worth every penny I spent on them.
I love to buy the biggest and baddest (Even though my wallet has to be tweaked to accomodate these things). If you buy big on certain things, like computers, you'll probably get a lot more out of them than if you bought the $600 budget model. So, I think there's no reason to hold out, unless you have a perfectly fine computer.
PS: If the next MBP is updates as extensively as it claims to be, you're going to probably want to hold out for revision 2 to avoid any problems apple looked over. So, you could be waiting longer than June (Or whenever they're coming out)
Just my humble opinion....
Wow that's a bit strong.
Don't forget that Penryn was launched at the beginning of last November but Penryn equipped notebooks have only just appeared.
Realistically if Montevina is announced in June then laptops with the new chipset will appear from October onwards.
There's very little difference between the Merom and Santa Rosa equipped MBP's and there are loads of great deals for Merom based SR MBP's if you don't fancy spending the full price on a Penryn MBP.
Don't forget that Penryn was launched at the beginning of last November but Penryn equipped notebooks have only just appeared.
Realistically if Montevina is announced in June then laptops with the new chipset will appear from October onwards.
There's very little difference between the Merom and Santa Rosa equipped MBP's and there are loads of great deals for Merom based SR MBP's if you don't fancy spending the full price on a Penryn MBP.
See, I was hoping the new MBP would have blu ray as well... But it's still rather risky, IMHO.
I see Blu Ray still as a risky investment at this point. Even if the format war has been won, it's still a vulnerable thing.
While it is gaining acceptance online, is it really being accepted in homes throughout america? With so many people regretting their newest HD-DVD player christmas gifts, I'm sure they'll all be wary about buying Blu-Ray products. And if that's the case, will Blu-Ray be able to survive?
Heck, I was late to buy a DVD player myself. All I could think about was LaserDisk... I'll wait another year or two before I pick up Blu Ray. I think DVD still has a few decades in it...
I'm pretty confident Blu-Ray will take off. Come 2009, when America fully switches to ATSC (digital TV) broadcasting, millions of Americans will be buying their first HDTV set, and will also be grabbing a Blu-Ray player.
I love my PS3's Blu-Ray player. It gets more use for watching Blu-Rays than games.
Here's what I think: If you bought a laptop within the last 2 years, you really don't need to upgrade to Penryn, unless you truly are a professional using extremely demanding graphics and encoding power (in that case, desktop might be better choice anyway, and you ought to get your company to buy them for you).
The TOTAL cost of my brilliant 40" Sony Bravia HDTV, Playstation 3, growing Blu-Ray collection, and Yamaha receiver have not even approached $2000. It really is a lot of money to be buying a laptop that is only marginally better than the one you bought within the last two years.
You will be waiting forever then there is always something new coming just buy one and be happy the next update will be slightly bigger but who cares when that update comes you will want to wait for the next just get one.
Ask your self these questions Will this one satisfy my needs Do I like it (the looks, the Specs the Ports) If you answered yes then just get this one.
Ask your self these questions Will this one satisfy my needs Do I like it (the looks, the Specs the Ports) If you answered yes then just get this one.
dante@sisna.com
macrumors 6502a
Funny, I was saying the EXACT same thing before this minor bump to penryn: I said, if you need it, but now.
A lot of people jumped on me for this; folks who were waiting anxiously for Penryn and stressing about its release.
Now I find a lot of these same people in this thread saying, "dude, buy now, if you need it, you'll be waiting forever."
Conditional logic amazes me.
A lot of people jumped on me for this; folks who were waiting anxiously for Penryn and stressing about its release.
Now I find a lot of these same people in this thread saying, "dude, buy now, if you need it, you'll be waiting forever."
Conditional logic amazes me.
I've got my 2.5GHz Penryn w/ 7200 rpm HDD on order!
I couldn't wait any longer, and I wouldn't have wanted to!
I couldn't wait any longer, and I wouldn't have wanted to!
Yeah, but you were saying it right before the update. Slight bit of difference there, no?
Look, people here on this forum are all for impulse buying, but I think its really smart of you to wait until June. I personally am definitely waiting until the summer (maybe even all the way to mid august), because I don't need a laptop until I start college, so why buy one now just because "I really want it" rather than wait for the best thing available starting from when I need it?
If you wait until the summer, you'll get the newest thing available, and if you don't need it until then, why buy one now only to kick yourself later? If you buy it in the summer, you also get the free ipod nano (250 bucks right there), and a possible montewhatever and maybe even a case redesign. Just hold in there, you'll appreciate yourself later! 😉
If you wait until the summer, you'll get the newest thing available, and if you don't need it until then, why buy one now only to kick yourself later? If you buy it in the summer, you also get the free ipod nano (250 bucks right there), and a possible montewhatever and maybe even a case redesign. Just hold in there, you'll appreciate yourself later! 😉
Chances are, the newest thing available will be what is available right now. Then what, wait some more? 😛
I guess if you can wait then you should wait. I believe these mbp to be the crippled penryn. There is barely any increase in performance compared to the previous models only a very slight insignificant one. To me buying the penryn mbp is the same as the previous mbp only that u get the multitouch. The ghz clock is the same as before and cache is bumped by 2mb which is ok but not a huge diff. Also the the 512mb vram is pointless because the nvidia 8600m gt card is crippled by a 128-bit bandwidth. So 256mb is the perfect fit. I wouldnt be surprised if the next mbp updates have a new graphics card with 256-bit bandwith which can fully utilized the 512mb vram.
Just wait until june or even later this year, you will be very glad that you did with the new 1066 frontside bus and gddr3 800mhz ram modules. 🙂
Im actually thinking about selling my mac pro rig with 16gb ram (harpertown 2.8 model) and keeping the nice chunk of change in the bank qnd just use my sr mbp until later this year and sell the current mbp and pay a bit more for the montevina mbp.
Just wait until june or even later this year, you will be very glad that you did with the new 1066 frontside bus and gddr3 800mhz ram modules. 🙂
Im actually thinking about selling my mac pro rig with 16gb ram (harpertown 2.8 model) and keeping the nice chunk of change in the bank qnd just use my sr mbp until later this year and sell the current mbp and pay a bit more for the montevina mbp.
Twe Foju
macrumors 6502
seriously man, what is the point of waiting?
let's say you wait till june, let's say there's a new rev Penryn MBP or even newer Intel Chip, you buy 1, yay!!! you got the newest MBP!! hooray!!
then comes november or december, a newer one comes out again, there you go, you are officially outdated, and comes another feb 2009, newer one perhaps core 2 quad? there you go, your June rev MBP is 2 gen behind already 😀
the waiting stuff isnt gonna work on the tech world man, agree as everyone else here
get it over with!!
let's say you wait till june, let's say there's a new rev Penryn MBP or even newer Intel Chip, you buy 1, yay!!! you got the newest MBP!! hooray!!
then comes november or december, a newer one comes out again, there you go, you are officially outdated, and comes another feb 2009, newer one perhaps core 2 quad? there you go, your June rev MBP is 2 gen behind already 😀
the waiting stuff isnt gonna work on the tech world man, agree as everyone else here
get it over with!!
I agree with you partially. While waiting isn't necessary for some parts but its worth it for a significant one. I think the sr mbp was the time to buy and or those who waited for thw penryn was a waste of time ( except those who did for the led on the 17" hi res). Or unless you absolutely need one today for work then just buy now. But the montevina is worth waiting for, significant upgrade. And the next upgrade after montevina would be a minor one as the sr to the penryn was (processor shrink, probably from the 45nm to 32nm add 2mb cache again kind of deal.
I highly doubt apple will update the mbp in dec again right after summer. Probably sometime late jan-march of 09 with the shrink to 32nm. And thus another significant one to next year summer time.
Hell its march already, might as well wait 3-4 more months to just buy the montevina.
Haha it's pretty funny reading the comments of people bashing the ones who are waiting now. A few weeks ago, you were probably the same people waiting on Penryn. Penryn was the marginal/slight increase. Montevina (despite the possibility of it being very overrated) is moreso a significant increase than Penryn is.
In my opinion, if you don't need it now, don't buy it. If you can wait, not just for the sake of waiting but for the sake of having a MBP now being unnecessary, then do so! Why let people tell you that you should buy now, when you can wait.
To everyone who bought now, good! You made a decision and stick with it. As everyone has said, technology is an impossible investment. Whatever you buy is old once you've bought it.
In my opinion, if you don't need it now, don't buy it. If you can wait, not just for the sake of waiting but for the sake of having a MBP now being unnecessary, then do so! Why let people tell you that you should buy now, when you can wait.
To everyone who bought now, good! You made a decision and stick with it. As everyone has said, technology is an impossible investment. Whatever you buy is old once you've bought it.
the only oasis got my point here. i dont need it right now but i want it soo bad. i might as well wait till augest befor i go to college to get it, even if they update it il know its a good machine, just hope i get a cool redesign
Weren't you the man who had been waiting for months for Penryn?
Kind of hypocritical to mock someone for waiting, if you were just the same a couple of weeks ago.
This is why I bought mines last week.. what's the point of waiting for a new one.. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE NEW ONES COMING OUT!! LOL that's how this business works..
you buy and a few months later a new one comes out.. I guess it comes down to how badly you need it. In my case I waited 1 week and the new ones came out and I got it.. even after hearing there would be an update in June/Aug.. so what???
if you need it.. buy it.. otherwise keep waiting.. personally there will always be newer and better models.. that's just how it works.. but waiting for another 6 months or so.. is lame for me at least..
but hey.. I guess some people can wait 6 months.. I'd laugh if you bought it 6 months down the road and after that week find out that there is another one coming out..
will you cancel your order again and wait another 6 months?
but if you don't need it now.. then wait.. as you said college in summer, so its WORTH it for you to wait.. I'm IN college NOW.. so it's not worth it for me to wait.. especially since I'll be finished college by August...
but either way.. good luck and I hope you enjoy the MBP whenever you decide to get it 🙂
you buy and a few months later a new one comes out.. I guess it comes down to how badly you need it. In my case I waited 1 week and the new ones came out and I got it.. even after hearing there would be an update in June/Aug.. so what???
if you need it.. buy it.. otherwise keep waiting.. personally there will always be newer and better models.. that's just how it works.. but waiting for another 6 months or so.. is lame for me at least..
but hey.. I guess some people can wait 6 months.. I'd laugh if you bought it 6 months down the road and after that week find out that there is another one coming out..
will you cancel your order again and wait another 6 months?
but if you don't need it now.. then wait.. as you said college in summer, so its WORTH it for you to wait.. I'm IN college NOW.. so it's not worth it for me to wait.. especially since I'll be finished college by August...
but either way.. good luck and I hope you enjoy the MBP whenever you decide to get it 🙂