I can't believe people can't tell the difference between 60hz and 120hz. It's the difference between being able to read a web page while scrolling and it being a blurry mess. Heck, even my elderly neighbor could see the difference a mile away (not literally). I mean, I can't tell someone they're wrong if they can't tell the difference, but... sheesh.
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iPhone 14 Pro Can’t ever go back to 60Hz refresh after 120Hz
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The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
It took me a while to notice the difference I must admit and to be honest, I can live without 120hz if it wasn’t there. Going between and iPhone 11 and 13 Pro Max doesn’t bother me at all.
blkjedi954
macrumors 6502
blkjedi954
macrumors 6502
Disagree. I have an 11 pro max as well as an iPad Pro M1. Limiting the frame rate worked perfect on iPad Pro, which I compared to an iPad Air of a family member. The iPad Pro was on parity with the iPad Air. No difference and not jarring. Just plain old 60HZ which is a step backwards when compared to Pro Motion. It is noticeable (the difference in frame rate). 120HZ enhances the browsing experience without a question. As for the “jarring” that you experienced, perhaps you were searching for it and it became overly apparent. But to reiterate, limiting the Pro Motion puts it on parity with other 60HZ displays and it performs as it should.
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Tsepz
macrumors 603
No it doesn’t and yes it is jarring, I wasn’t looking for it.
I’ve used my 13 Pro Max at 60hz next to an 11 Pro Max, when capped the 13 Pro Max feels like it’s at a lower frame rate. I also went between my iPad Pro at 120hz with my old 11 Pro Max at 60hz and again same thing, felt as though the iPad Pro was at a lower frequency.
Anyway it was just an experiment, no way will I ever use my 120hz iPhone or iPad Pro with the Frame Rate Limit on for a prolonged time, that right there would be weird. 🙂
Agreed. The 13 Pro Max locked to "60hz" doesn't feel like the 60hz on the pre-ProMotion devices. It's noticeably worse.
I agree with this.
The funny thing is I have a MacBook Air and a MBP with the ProMotion. I prefer the scrolling on the MBP, but still heavily gravitate toward my MacBook Air that doesn't have the higher refresh rate. This when not needing the extra RAM for my musical instrument/virtual instrument stuff and recording. The Air is still faster for me to get around on.
All this to say, there's more to a device than just the refresh rate to prefer using it.
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thadoggfather
macrumors P6
Not gonna lie it is jarring to look at my se2 with it
Or 14 PM with low power mode on.
I still wanna test drive longevity of LPM on this device
Or 14 PM with low power mode on.
I still wanna test drive longevity of LPM on this device
sunking101
macrumors 604
blkjedi954
macrumors 6502
I did the same experiment using the same 11 Pro Max and NO, it was not jarring. It behaved as it should. If your assessment was remotely accurate the Apple base would have let us all know. And your comment about “felt as though the iPad Pro was at a lower frequency” - well 60HZ IS at a lower frequency so I‘m not sure what you were attempting to say. It’s common knowledge that the fan base holds Apple accountable for EVERYTHING, usually resulting in lawsuits. So to my original comment, you “were searching for it”.
Tsepz
macrumors 603
I said it was a lower frequency than 60hz in relation to my 11 Pro Max, that is pretty much implied in the sentence 😂
You knew exactly what I was saying.
YES, it is jarring, if you did not feel that way that is fine but for me? It was jarring. You cannot tell me what my experience was.
No, I wasn’t searching for it and the Apple fan base has no real holding here otherwise iOS would be bug free, stop reaching. 🤣
blkjedi954
macrumors 6502
Successful experiments are repeatable, so I maintain your “jarring” comment is just faux outrage. I know the times we live in may have YOU believe it’s required. Secondly, I don’t read minds and what you think is “implied” is probably just your inability to be clear. It’s ok, this may not be your first language. That being said, the “limit frame rate” cap works just fine. Ran the experiment several more times with varying devices (60HZ vs 120HZ) and the outcome was the same. So your statement is objectively false. Lastly, your comment ”otherwise iOS would be bug free“ reveals a deeply flawed thought process or fundamental misunderstanding of how logic works. Because that reasoning makes NO sense. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain why that comment is divorced of any sensible logic. So I bid you adieu!
Tsepz
macrumors 603
Luckily this is just your opinion and that’s fine, unfortunately it is not factual. 🙂
I only notice promotion when I compare side by side with non promotion 🤷♂️. So I guess the difference is pretty subtle to my brain. Because even with promotion on, I don’t think scrolling text looks all that crisp. Maybe if they ever get to 240hz I’ll appreciate the difference more.
Also promotion isn’t really valuable to me on my phone because I don’t do a lot of consumption on it, more specifically the scanning through lots of text type of consumption. Mostly just quick tasks. I do most of my consumption on my iPads, so that’s where it should be more valuable to me (if I noticed it more). But then with bigger screens with lots of text shown at once, there’s also less need to read while scrolling.
Also promotion isn’t really valuable to me on my phone because I don’t do a lot of consumption on it, more specifically the scanning through lots of text type of consumption. Mostly just quick tasks. I do most of my consumption on my iPads, so that’s where it should be more valuable to me (if I noticed it more). But then with bigger screens with lots of text shown at once, there’s also less need to read while scrolling.
johannnn
macrumors 68030
It’s like night and day for me. I can never go back to 60hz. Problem is, my MBA and watch are not 120hz. I don’t want the heavy MBP, and I don’t know what to do about the watch..
Upgraded from a 13 Mini to a 14 Pro, and now the 13 Mini screen is like a joke from the 90s. You can’t read the text at all while scrolling.
Upgraded from a 13 Mini to a 14 Pro, and now the 13 Mini screen is like a joke from the 90s. You can’t read the text at all while scrolling.
Well, yes and no.
It wouldn’t make sense if:
- they never run out of battery and never have to top up or conserve battery to make it through the day, and…
- 120hz gave them even a little bit of value
But “never” seems extremely unlikely. At best, that’s probably only the usual case. So there must be occasional times when they need more battery, or they just want to be ready just in case something happens and they need it. Everybody wants more battery life even if they don’t end up using it, because you never know what a day will bring.
And it seems like 120hz gives them no value. If that’s the case, then even if turning it off didn’t benefit them, neither would keeping it on. So neither would make sense or not make sense, because it wouldn’t matter either way.
Also I guess one could technically say that using a feature that takes up more battery is a waste of energy and therefore bad for the environment. But we’re probably talking a couple molecules of carbon a year lol.
reklex
macrumors regular
most apps aren't running at 120Hz too. I don't think Apple made it easy for devs to implement it with the animations they already have going.
I literally just see the benefits when scrolling and gaming.
MrAperture
macrumors 6502a
I said the same thing to my gf yesterday.
I have used her 13 Pro (hand-me-down, lucky me) for the past few weeks. 60Hz screens bug me even more now.
60Hz displays I’ve used within the last few days: iPhone 8, iPhone SE, iPad 7th gen, iPad Mini 5th gen and the windows desktop at work. 😖
I’ve had a 144Hz gaming monitor/laptop for years now but after using a Pro-Motion iPhone on a daily basis I don’t think I’ll be able to go back to a Non-Pro-Motion iPhone again in the future.
I have used her 13 Pro (hand-me-down, lucky me) for the past few weeks. 60Hz screens bug me even more now.
60Hz displays I’ve used within the last few days: iPhone 8, iPhone SE, iPad 7th gen, iPad Mini 5th gen and the windows desktop at work. 😖
I’ve had a 144Hz gaming monitor/laptop for years now but after using a Pro-Motion iPhone on a daily basis I don’t think I’ll be able to go back to a Non-Pro-Motion iPhone again in the future.
Marsikus
macrumors 6502
It seems for me it is really physically painful for eyes on LED display. On IPS display that didn’t bother me.
sunking101
macrumors 604
Funny now hardly anyone can see the super-obvious 'jelly scrolling' on the iPad Mini 6 and yet now 60hz displays are 'dealbreakers' for the majority.
I comfortably use both with no issues and funnily enough it's my 'premium' Apple kit that's behind the times. I've been enjoying 120hz displays on my Samsung devices for a few years.
I comfortably use both with no issues and funnily enough it's my 'premium' Apple kit that's behind the times. I've been enjoying 120hz displays on my Samsung devices for a few years.
This is an other example of when Apple copies an Android smartphone feature, only then this feature is awesome.
I’ve been wanting 120Hz on iPhone since I first experienced it on the 10.5” iPad Pro in June 2017. I don’t think any phones had 120Hz at that point.
That being said, it’s easier to ignore a particular form factor (the iPhone) being at 60Hz while another form factor is at 120Hz (iPad), but once you experience 120Hz on a particular form factor, it’s hard to go without it in my experience. While I wanted 120Hz for years on my iPhone and Mac when my iPad had it, I could deal with 60Hz because it’s what I was used to on those form factors. But now that I have 120Hz on those form factors too, it’d be really hard for me to go back to 60Hz.
I probably wouldn’t go back, but I have to admit that whatever you have you get used to.
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