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1) Winning an "Academy Award" does not mean a performer or a film is well known to the non Hollywood set. Most people really don't care about Hollywood's internal accolade tv special. A lot of the comic book fans (ie MCU customer base) on the internet didn't even know who she was until she was named to the role. Do a cursory search if you don't believe me.

Fine, but does it really matter? How many Marvel fans knew who Chris Evans, Jeremy Renner, Mark Ruffalo, or Chris Hemsworth were before they were cast as Avengers? Let’s add DC into the mix and I could easily make the case that some of the best Batman roles were played by lesser known or controversial casting choices (Bale, Keaton), while the worst Batman movies featured bigger names in the leading role (Kilmer, Clooney). Ultimately all that matters is how good the actor is in the role, and Brie Larson is earning positive reviews from many critics and fans.

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2a. 40% of comic book readers are female. [https://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-40-of-our-readers-are-female-and-our-sales-are-just-fine-thanks/]
2b. Since 2006, on average, 55% of video gamers are male [https://www.statista.com/statistics/232383/gender-split-of-us-computer-and-video-gamers/since]
2c. Female viewership of Star Wars movies has never exceeded 33%. Yet, Disney went all in SJW with the latest trilogy and have lost billions on female focused merchandising that no one asked for or wanted. [star-wars-viewership-gender] [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-making-strategic-mistake-with-last-jedi-toys]

40% ain’t peanuts. What businesses can afford to neglect 40% of their patrons? And if we are going to talk Star Wars, hold my beer, the Bloomberg article you link to says nothing about the loss being the fault of female focused merchandising. It doesn’t even mention it. Instead it blames timing and franchise fatigue. Personally I think it’s also because the latest Star Wars trilogy isn’t that great (maybe the third movie will save it). I think it’s better than the prequels, but not close to the original trilogy. I don’t even think the merchandising for it has been overly “female focused” as you say. Most of the main characters are still male. Meanwhile the Star Wars universe books, comic books, video games, and animated series have long been rich with strong female characters, including female Jedi. My kids (one boy and one girl) are on the third season of Star Wars Rebels right now (we watch it as a family) and they both love it. Rebels probably has the best balance of male and female leads in the entire franchise, and yes I do think that is a good thing. I really can’t see how any of this adds up to Disney going “SJW.” Dave Filoni already had Ashoka Tano and other strong female characters in the Clone Wars animated series before Disney bought the franchise and produced Rebels with Filoni still at the helm. Star Wars has always had a history of strong female characters that have inspired feminists. Carrie Fisher became a feminist icon in part for her portrayal of Princess Leia, and made headlines when she admitted regret over the “Slave Leia” bikini and told Daisy Ridley to fight for her costume.

Males might be the primary target demographic for many action movies and comic books, but they certainly aren’t the only ones. I may not be a huge fan of the latest trilogy, but it warms my heart to see little girls dressing up like Rey just as my friends and I dressed up as Luke Skywalker or Han Solo back in the early 80’s. Not that girls can’t dress up as boy characters (my daughter was the red ninja from Ninjago last Halloween), but they should be able to choose from a collection of heroes that represent all genders, races, etc.


3) Here's what she said
"[Audiences] are not allowed enough chances to read public discourse on these films by the people that the films were made for. I do not need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about A Wrinkle in Time. It wasn't made for him. I want to know what it meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial," she said.
"And for the third time, I do not hate white dudes, they are just facts, they are not my feelings," she added

There's nothing wrong with her thinking that or even communicating that opinion. However, there's a way of saying things to your customer base without coming off like a feminazi.

I think she makes a great point. Sometimes when I am trying to find a good movie for my daughter, I look for reviews written by women. I find that female reviewers are more likely to notice when, as an example, a movie is pushing a negative female stereotype. I’m more concerned about whether it ‘s a good movie or not, but sometimes there can be things that are problematic that many male reviewers gloss over. We have certainly watched movies (especially older ones) that are still great despite such flaws (if the kids notice we make it a teachable moment), but as parents we usually prioritize the ones that are a little more evolved in how they portray female characters. I have no problem with what Brie Larson said there. She doesn’t hate white dudes. Not even those of us in our 40’s. I don’t feel like she’s lecturing me at all. It sounds like she’s addressing her female fans, and that’s okay. (But by the way, some men do need a lecture.)

This kind of reminds of me of the Riot Grrl movement in the 90’s. I loved bands like Bikini Kill and Sleater Kinney. I knew the angry femism wasn’t directed at all men... just the sexist and rapey ones. I was never treated poorly at a Riot Grrl concert, although the male fans were often encouraged to let the (on average) shorter female fans move to the front so they could see. Standing in the back only seemed fair. The point is: Feminism exists for a reason. Sexism isn’t dead anymore than racism is.

4) No, I didn't wake up one morning saying, "You know what would be cool? A "female-led" Marvel movie!". Know why? I don't care about gender, race, etc as long as the story is good. They could put a hermaphrodite as the lead character and I'd support the film if it had a good story. Pandering to toxic feminist propaganda while stepping on men isn't the way to win the other 60% of Marvel consumers. For decades, I've supported female-led comics, including Captain Marvel, and other female led movies ... a list too long to provide here. Put clearly, men, as the primary customer base of these products, dont want to be told they're the enemy to female-led films.

Wouldn’t you agree that if 4 out of 10 fans are female, and there are plenty of female heroes in the comics, at least 1 in 10 of the movies should have a female hero as the title character? Forgive me if I say your take on this sounds a bit over the top and far-fetched. I’ve been a fan of all this stuff too... for most of my 48 years on this planet, and I don’t feel like anyone is saying I’m the enemy. Women just want things to be a little more equitable. That does not tranlate to a war on men. Now there are certainly sexist men out there, and some of them have a lot of power in the entertainment industry. Sexism thrives in industries that are male dominated. More women directing, producing, and yes... reviewing movies will help things be more civil and equitable. It may also lead to new ideas and better movies.

5) "As a white male I am floored at how sensitive my kind can be!" I'm not white. LOL

Okay... well we thank you for your concern, but really we will be fine. We can go and enjoy watching Captain Marvel, and we can love it even if the star of the production says that she cares more about a different demographic. We don’t need to be offended by that, and if we don’t like the movie we can even criticize it as long as we do so without being creepy or sexist about it (some men do struggle in that way).

TL; DR

Real, hard cash, paying comic book, movie, video game fans are usually male and do NOT want to be lectured to by SJWs forcing a "Girl Power" agenda. Nor do they care about the gender, race, creed of the main characters as long as the story is compelling and the movies/games are well made.

TL;DR
Women have been going to, and even enjoying, movies featuring hypermasculine male heroes for years. The least us men can do is to occasionally enjoy a movie with a strong female hero, and not feel threatened because she’s not dressed to please us. So what if the actor is outspoken and feminist? Male actors have been saying far more controversial things for years without nearly as much outrage.
 
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You used the term femanazi. Back to the kids table with you too. Also considering how much damn money it made this weekend, I think plenty of people wanted to see it. I saw it, loved it. It’s really well done! And if you get offended by what she said, the problem is with you.

Very insightful. Thanks for adding to the conversation. /s
 
The fact that she's getting hate because she said she wanted female journalists and people of color to give her interviews just shows how fragile so many males are, especially here.

We are fragile? Oh. Ok then. Ummm. It appears that Brie and her buddies are quite the fragile ones. She’s purposely excluding and dissing males when of course is in now but that’s OK. Imagine if Downey jr. only wanted white journalists to interview him after iron man? The purple haired posse would be lighting the Hollywood sign on fire.

So, yeah.
 
We are fragile? Oh. Ok then. Ummm. It appears that Brie and her buddies are quite the fragile ones. She’s purposely excluding and dissing males when of course is in now but that’s OK. Imagine if Downey jr. only wanted white journalists to interview him after iron man? The purple haired posse would be lighting the Hollywood sign on fire.

So, yeah.

Only that's your hyperbolic interpretation. She didn't say she only wanted white journalists to interview her. It's easy to get outraged over something you manufacture in your own head ;)
 
Only that's your hyperbolic interpretation. She didn't say she only wanted white journalists to interview her. It's easy to get outraged over something you manufacture in your own head ;)
she wants a more diverse group interviewing her, that means someone is going to be replaced and that someone happens to be white males.............
 
she wants a more diverse group interviewing her, that means someone is going to be replaced and that someone happens to be white males.............

So that's something to be outraged over? That she wishes/wants to be interviewed by a more diverse group?

She's not calling for anyone to be fired.
 
no, she is seemingly calling for some to be excluded based on the color of their skin and sex....................

No, that's you twisting what she said to fit your personal narrative and that's the problem with this whole thing. No one needs to be excluded to add others to a group.
 
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No, that's you twisting what she said to fit your personal narrative and that's the problem with this whole thing. No one needs to be excluded to add others to a group.
that completely depends on the format of the interview.............. have YOU seen the interviews? is basically one on one......not 2-3-5 on one..............
it is funny and ironic her complaining about diversity when Capt Marvel was originally an AA woman............ :D
 
that completely depends on the format of the interview.............. have YOU seen the interviews? is basically one on one......not 2-3-5 on one..............
it is funny and ironic her complaining about diversity when Capt Marvel was originally an AA woman............ :D

You’re still twisting “I want to be interviewed by more woman and people of color” into “I don’t want to be interviewed by white men.” You’re interpreting this based on your own agenda and not reality.

Captain Marvel was originally a male Kree.
 
You’re still twisting “I want to be interviewed by more woman and people of color” into “I don’t want to be interviewed by white men.”
how is it twisting it when interviews are basically one on one and she wants diversity? AA's make up about 12% of the population, that means just on stats that there is 1 in 10 out there if at all ............o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O if interview is one on one and she wants diversity, guess who is being pushed to the side?o_Oo_Oo_O
 
how is it twisting it when interviews are basically one on one and she wants diversity? AA's make up about 12% of the population, that means just on stats that there is 1 in 10 out there if at all ............o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O if interview is one on one and she wants diversity, guess who is being pushed to the side?o_Oo_Oo_O

I think I’m done with arguing with you because people like you will never stop. My point is made. Enjoy your day.
 
so far day is sucking, this hour change kills me. have a good one.

Yeah, dont bother ayways, JK. They'll try to justify whatever comes out of Bries piehole no mater what it is. As we both know, if Chris Adams or Bob Downey Jr said they wanted to be interviewed by more white males and NOT females or people of color..... the world would explode from the inside. But these guyshere would STILL try to defend it. Blah blah blah.

And daylight savings time SUCKS! :D
 
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the reason there is outrage is repeated sexist and/or anti-white racist behavior, coupled with other marketing containing SJW "dog-whistles" that alienate the Majority of the fanbase.

so not even including the cringe-worthy SJW marketing, prior to Captain Marvel in the past Brie Larson said

"I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time,"
"It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color."


fair enough the primary demographic for family movies like A Wrinkle in Time isnt majority males 18-40 who are predominately white, unlike comic books and action movies.

now currently with captain marvel she has said

“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male, So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Iniative, who put together a study to confirm that.
Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive."


so separate these don't seem that bad, the problem is its a repeated bigoted stance that if it were any other demographic the media wouldn't be defending her.

you can say you want more of X without specifically saying at the expense of Y.
if she just said "I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive." no one would call her out as it's not implying removing spots from one group to give to another not because of merit, just because of there race/gender.

thought experiment lets flip the races and/or sexes:

imagine if lets say the actor that played Thor said "I don’t need a 40-year-old black woman to tell me what didn’t work"

and he would later go on to say my interviewers looked too ethnic, so I'll talk to this organization to confirm it so i can better exclude black people because I want to hear from more white males.

I doubt any mainstream press wouldn't report that as racist and/or misogynistic.
 
the reason there is outrage is repeated sexist and/or anti-white racist behavior, coupled with other marketing containing SJW "dog-whistles" that alienate the Majority of the fanbase.

so not even including the cringe-worthy SJW marketing, prior to Captain Marvel in the past Brie Larson said

"I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time,"
"It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color."


fair enough the primary demographic for family movies like A Wrinkle in Time isnt majority males 18-40 who are predominately white, unlike comic books and action movies.

now currently with captain marvel she has said

“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male, So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Iniative, who put together a study to confirm that.
Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive."


so separate these don't seem that bad, the problem is its a repeated bigoted stance that if it were any other demographic the media wouldn't be defending her.

you can say you want more of X without specifically saying at the expense of Y.
if she just said "I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive." no one would call her out as it's not implying removing spots from one group to give to another not because of merit, just because of there race/gender.

thought experiment lets flip the races and/or sexes:

imagine if lets say the actor that played Thor said "I don’t need a 40-year-old black woman to tell me what didn’t work"

and he would later go on to say my interviewers looked too ethnic, so I'll talk to this organization to confirm it so i can better exclude black people because I want to hear from more white males.

I doubt any mainstream press wouldn't report that as racist and/or misogynistic.
To make such an inappropriate comparison betrays a wilful ignorance of how many groups have been systemically marginalised.
 
the reason there is outrage is repeated sexist and/or anti-white racist behavior, coupled with other marketing containing SJW "dog-whistles" that alienate the Majority of the fanbase.

so not even including the cringe-worthy SJW marketing, prior to Captain Marvel in the past Brie Larson said

"I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle in Time,"
"It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color."


fair enough the primary demographic for family movies like A Wrinkle in Time isnt majority males 18-40 who are predominately white, unlike comic books and action movies.

now currently with captain marvel she has said

“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male, So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Iniative, who put together a study to confirm that.
Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive."


so separate these don't seem that bad, the problem is its a repeated bigoted stance that if it were any other demographic the media wouldn't be defending her.

you can say you want more of X without specifically saying at the expense of Y.
if she just said "I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive." no one would call her out as it's not implying removing spots from one group to give to another not because of merit, just because of there race/gender.

thought experiment lets flip the races and/or sexes:

imagine if lets say the actor that played Thor said "I don’t need a 40-year-old black woman to tell me what didn’t work"

and he would later go on to say my interviewers looked too ethnic, so I'll talk to this organization to confirm it so i can better exclude black people because I want to hear from more white males.

I doubt any mainstream press wouldn't report that as racist and/or misogynistic.

I don’t like that Larson said she doesn’t care what a 40 year old white man thinks about the movie, but I get what her point is. She could have stated it better to say she is more interested in a female perspective, but I think that quote is being used out of context to foment more outrage than it deserves.

Of course it doesn't seem fair when you flip things around and have a male actor saying the same things Larson said. Call it the privilege of the oppressed if you like. The fact is that there is sexism, racism, and homophobia (among other forms of bigotry) in our society and white men have historically been the privileged power class. When one class is marginalized by another, it's natural for members of the under-class to want to push for equality. Some might even want to push farther by reversing the dynamic, but you're always going to have a few extremists. Lately white men have been trying to play the victim and say the rest of society is piling up on us for being racist and sexist. Personally I think the right thing is to recognize the truth of our privilege and biases (implicit and explicit) and to work with social groups who feel marginalized. This is not a zero-sum game, but a lot of people are playing it like it is. The most effective way to quiet loud voices shouting for social justice is to actually work on achieving what the majority of people can agree is social justice. I think that's a pretty simple concept. It doesn't mean that everything is always fair and equal. It just means that the game isn't grossly tilted in favor of one group or another.
 
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I don’t like that Larson said she doesn’t care what a 40 year old white man thinks about the movie, but I get what her point is. She could have stated it better to say she is more interested in a female perspective, but I think that quote is being used out of context to foment more outrage than it deserves.

Of course it doesn't seem fair when you flip things around and have a male actor saying the same things Larson said. Call it the privilege of the oppressed if you like. The fact is that there is sexism, racism, and homophobia (among other forms of bigotry) in our society and white men have historically been the privileged power class. When one class is marginalized by another, it's natural for members of the under-class to want to push for equality. Some might even want to push farther by reversing the dynamic, but you're always going to have a few extremists. Lately white men have been trying to play the victim and say the rest of society is piling up on us for being racist and sexist. Personally I think the right thing is to recognize the truth of our privilege and biases (implicit and explicit) and to work with social groups who feel marginalized. This is not a zero-sum game, but a lot of people are playing it like it is. The most effective way to quiet loud voices shouting for social justice is to actually work on achieving what the majority of people can agree is social justice. I think that's a pretty simple concept. It doesn't mean that everything is always fair and equal. It just means that the game isn't grossly tilted in favor of one group or another.

It is not necessary to exclude or make negative comments about certain people in order to prop up others. But that’s the game that many of these people play. I have two daughters and want the best for them. But that doesn’t include trashing men or white people or anyone for that matter. They can succeed on their own and even champion female causes without tearing down others.

If Brie and others would do that they’d get a LOT further and even get support form us white guys with daughters. They should try it sometime.
 
It is not necessary to exclude or make negative comments about certain people in order to prop up others. But that’s the game that many of these people play. I have two daughters and want the best for them. But that doesn’t include trashing men or white people or anyone for that matter. They can succeed on their own and even champion female causes without tearing down others.

If Brie and others would do that they’d get a LOT further and even get support form us white guys with daughters. They should try it sometime.
Larson didn't do either, except in the minds of the new perpetual victims of modern society. Larson is in a movie that is the Marvel universe's first female ( Black Widow should have long ago been that first ) lead feature, and it's important to her, the studio, and more to focus on the representation that movie brings. Larson wants to make sure that crowd is motivated to see her movie, like they were for Wonder Woman. She didn't tell theaters to put chains on the doors to stop anyone that has male genitalia from seeing the movie. She, Marvel, & Disney want this to be the movie that inspires and draws in little girls & women, who ordinarily are not big fans of comics. They want that audience that is underrepresented & underserved when it comes to big blockbusters to feel they have another movie. The fact that she puts it out there that this isn't a film for the usual expected target solely, doesn't mean anyone should get ****hurt & laminate their 'he man woman hater's club' card. It just means that THIS time, we guys aren't the primary focus. Get over it. You're supposed to be big boys.

This is who Brie Larson wants to be made the primary focus of this film with her name attached prominently.

https://www.nj.com/entertainment/20...-surprise-appearance-at-nj-movie-theater.html
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Don't worry, for the rest of the year, the superhero movies will be heavily steeped in testosterone.

Even better, Shazam ( Ironically, the real original & first Captain Marvel. So it's hilarious they are coming out back to back, but so many will miss that fact ) is coming, it's kid friendly, family focused, ditching the Snyder darkness of the early DCEU films, and supposedly is very good from early views. That should make everyone happy.
 
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