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I have been unable to make a bootable copy of either monterey or ventura, using CCC6 (the latest). I use the legacy full copy option, but the imac stalls halfway through the boot from the external, and restarts. I have tried several times. is superduper better ?
 
Presume you have seen this article by Mike Bombich of CCC, which starts off:

"Copying Apple's system is now an Apple-proprietary endeavor; we can only offer "best effort" support for making an external bootable device on macOS Big Sur (and later OSes)"

Superduper! is subject to all the same obstacles but put a different spin on the situation. I don't believe they have any magic sauce which CCC doesn't. They both have to use the Apple Tool ASR because there is no alternative.

Personally I have always much preferred Data only clones and install and migrate. It takes a bit longer but I don't need to be up and running within a few minutes, and if I did I would use a second Mac.
 
I have been unable to make a bootable copy of either monterey or ventura, using CCC6 (the latest). I use the legacy full copy option, but the imac stalls halfway through the boot from the external, and restarts. I have tried several times. is superduper better ?

I see that you been following this thread:


I have followed the instructions from that thread and have made bootable copies in both Monterey and Ventura.

As far as SD. I own it, but have been unhappy with the support so I switched to CCC and that works GREAT for me👍

Here is how to do it with Ventura, though I'm not sure why you'd want to.

I want to because I have redundant backup startup disks.

Lou
 
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For me one of the reasons to switch to the Mac were bootable clones.
This is no longer the case Macos behaves like Windows or Linux.
May be thats goog enough.
 
I see that you been following this thread:


I have followed the instructions from that thread and have made bootable copies in both Monterey and Ventura.

As far as SD. I own it, but have been unhappy with the support so I switched to CCC and that works GREAT for me👍



I want to because I have redundant backup startup disks.

Lou
Its really sad that you cant make bootable clones anymore.... i can with Big Sur but thats it. maybe ill go back to it (big sur)
 
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I had issues with CCC and have since moved over to SuperDuper with no such issues and no forced launch agents/daemons to contend with.
 
i cant , i have tried several times. Maybe ill try superduper
I can tell you for a fact that at least with Monterey, you can make a bootable clone with SuperDuper!, especially with the latest version, V3.7. I make SuperDuper! backups for each of my M1 Macs (a 2020 M1 Mac Mini, and a 2021 M1 MacBook Air, both of them running Monterey (V12.6.1 on the Mini, and V12.6 on the Air)) every Saturday to 2 separate, partitioned Samsung 850 Pro 512 gig external SSDs enclosed in Orico Enclosures. Yesterday I had issues trying to install Ventura, V13.0.1, using the Mini, onto an APS-formatted Samsung 1 TB T7 External SSD, and it did not work. I also lost my startup chime on the Mini (this happened once before a couple of weeks ago). What I did to try and alleviate this was:

1. Boot the Mac Mini from the latest SD backup, via one of my external SSDs.
2. Download the latest version of Monterey, V12.6.1, from the App Store. The expected file entitled Install macOS Monterey subsequently wound up in the Applications Folder.
3. Launched Disk Utility and Erased and Formatted (as APFS) the internal SSD on the Mini. Note that this is the Monterey version of Disk Utility (more on that below).
4. Navigated to the Install macOS Monterey file, launched it, and proceeded to do a clean, fresh installation of V12.6.1 of Monterey onto that internal SSD.
5. As usual, offered, and completed, the migration of my apps, settings, etc. from the SD backup to the internal SSD.
6. Restarted the Mini.

As expected, the Mini booted up from its internal SSD, and still does.

I had actually followed those same steps a few weeks ago, and did get the Startup Chime back. But not this time. And yes, I did check (and re-checked, and re-checked) the Sound System Preference and confirmed the settings were correct (same as my MacBook Air, and its Startup Chime is still present).

One thing I noticed from the link provided above by chabig:


was that the external SSD needs to be formatted with the Ventura version of Disk Utility. That was the same issue last year, when Monterey arrived. I have been formatting my new Samsung T7 with the Monterey version of Disk Utility. Hence, that seems to be why I have been twice unsuccessful with installing Ventura (V13.0 about 2 weeks ago, and V13.0.1 yesterday) onto that SSD.

In any event, at least with Monterey, SuperDuper! can be used to make a bootable clone on an external SSD.
 
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Here is how to do it with Ventura, though I'm not sure why you'd want to.

I would, as that is how I would test Ventura. But alas, as of now, I don't have a copy of the Ventura version of Disk Utility. What I will most likely need to do is 1) make a SuperDuper! backup of my current Mini "environment" to my external Samsung T7 SSD, 2) boot the Mini via that SSD, and 3) update to Ventura on that external SSD. That should give me the Ventura version of Disk Utility there. I can then proceed to test all my apps with Ventura.

I suspect that if and when I move to Ventura on both of my Macs (most likely with V12.3 of Ventura, the way things are going), for the SD backups, I would most likely first need to Erase and Format each SD partition as APFS with the Ventura version of Disk Utility (unless SD will do it).
 
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I can tell you for a fact that at least with Monterey, you can make a bootable clone with SuperDuper!, especially with the latest version, V3.7. I make SuperDuper! backups for each of my M1 Macs (a 2020 M1 Mac Mini, and a 2021 M1 MacBook Air, both of them running Monterey (V12.6.1 on the Mini, and V12.6 on the Air)) every Saturday to 2 separate, partitioned Samsung 850 Pro 512 gig external SSDs enclosed in Orico Enclosures. Yesterday I had issues trying to install Ventura, V13.0.1, using the Mini, onto an APS-formatted Samsung 1 TB T7 External SSD, and it did not work. I also lost my startup chime on the Mini (this happened once before a couple of weeks ago). What I did to try and alleviate this was:

1. Boot the Mac Mini from the latest SD backup, via one of my external SSDs.
2. Download the latest version of Monterey, V12.6.1, from the App Store. The expected file entitled Install macOS Monterey subsequently wound up in the Applications Folder.
3. Launched Disk Utility and Erased and Formatted (as APFS) the internal SSD on the Mini. Note that this is the Monterey version of Disk Utility (more on that below).
4. Navigated to the Install macOS Monterey file, launched it, and proceeded to do a clean, fresh installation of V12.6.1 of Monterey onto that internal SSD.
5. As usual, offered, and completed, the migration of my apps, settings, etc. from the SD backup to the internal SSD.
6. Restarted the Mini.

As expected, the Mini booted up from its internal SSD, and still does.

I had actually followed those same steps a few weeks ago, and did get the Startup Chime back. But not this time. And yes, I did check (and re-checked, and re-checked) the Sound System Preference and confirmed the settings were correct (same as my MacBook Air, and its Startup Chime is still present).

One thing I noticed from the link provided above by chabig:


was that the external SSD needs to be formatted with the Ventura version of Disk Utility. That was the same issue last year, when Monterey arrived. I have been formatting my new Samsung T7 with the Monterey version of Disk Utility. Hence, that seems to be why I have been twice unsuccessful with installing Ventura (V13.0 about 2 weeks ago, and V13.0.1 yesterday) onto that SSD.

In any event, at least with Monterey, SuperDuper! can be used to make a bootable clone on an external SSD.
thats not what i meant
 
thats not what i meant
Here's what you said at the very beginning:

"I have been unable to make a bootable copy of either monterey or ventura, using CCC6 (the latest). I use the legacy full copy option, but the imac stalls halfway through the boot from the external, and restarts. I have tried several times. is superduper better ?"

I then provided a detailed reply about how well SuperDiuper! makes a bootable clone, at least with Monterey. So unclear what you mean when you say "thats not what I meant". Need to clarify.
 
No, it does not work either... not with ventura at least all these cloner apps are probably just accessing the same unix scripts. they do not produce a bootable copy for me
You did not answer my question above. If you are running Monterey, SuperDuper! will work as you want. If you need instructions, let me know.

Even simpler: is it your desire to make a bootable clone of your Monterey-based system on an external SSD? Yes or no?
 
You did not answer my question above. If you are running Monterey, SuperDuper! will work as you want. If you need instructions, let me know.

Even simpler: is it your desire to make a bootable clone of your Monterey-based system on an external SSD? Yes or no?
yes, i want to make a direct clone from an internal system drive to an external TB3 or USB SSD that is bootable. You did not address that. As a repairer I use bootable clones all the time, i am forced to use other methods with monterey or ventura that involve using time machine, the removed internal hd or i suppose a clone, and then importing to the internal with migration assistant. So far thats been OK but i miss being able to make a direct, bootable clone with a one step process
 
I also tried using a working ventura install on one imac as a target boot disk for another imac ( both being ventura compatible) That did not work either. The target disk was not damaged and booted its own imac afterwards....
 
No, it does not work either... not with ventura at least all these cloner apps are probably just accessing the same unix scripts. they do not produce a bootable copy for me
Then you have a problem. Get Backup Pro is the first utility that learned how to clone Ventura. It clones everything perfectly.
 
I also tried using a working ventura install on one imac as a target boot disk for another imac ( both being ventura compatible) That did not work either. The target disk was not damaged and booted its own imac afterwards....
Show us a full video of you making a clone?
 
Then you have a problem. Get Backup Pro is the first utility that learned how to clone Ventura. It clones everything perfectly.
no, no problem, all good but its not working. ill try with a clean computer sometimes but i can confirm everyone is having trouble with externals, at least for intel macs
 
yes, i want to make a direct clone from an internal system drive to an external TB3 or USB SSD that is bootable. You did not address that. As a repairer I use bootable clones all the time, i am forced to use other methods with monterey or ventura that involve using time machine, the removed internal hd or i suppose a clone, and then importing to the internal with migration assistant. So far thats been OK but i miss being able to make a direct, bootable clone with a one step process
Yes I did, although at that point I did not provide a blow-by-blow description of what I do. Here is what I said above in response to your original statement about CCC not working, and that maybe you would try SD:

"I can tell you for a fact that at least with Monterey, you can make a bootable clone with SuperDuper!, especially with the latest version, V3.7. I make SuperDuper! backups for each of my M1 Macs (a 2020 M1 Mac Mini, and a 2021 M1 MacBook Air, both of them running Monterey (V12.6.1 on the Mini, and V12.6 on the Air)) every Saturday to 2 separate, partitioned Samsung 850 Pro 512 gig external SSDs enclosed in Orico Enclosures. "

Again, I just did that yesterday.

OK, here is what I do:

1. I always keep both of my Macs "lean, mean, and clean", including permanently removing deleted EMails. Many folks do not even do that, but I do. This also includes keeping all my apps up to date (I use third party applications only).
2. Again, both of my M1 Macs are running Monterey: V12.6.1 on my 2020 M1 Mac Mini, and V12.6 on my 2021 M1 MacBook Air.
3. With my once weekly process, I first launch Onyx to do some maintenance and cleaning. Solid software, has always worked well, and I've been using it for a long, long time. Would not be without it.
4. Next, I launch TechTool Pro to do some more maintenance, cleaning, etc. Again, at least for me, a solid performer (I've been criticized before for using it, but I don't care. It just works).
5. Again, both of my external Samsung 850 Pro 512 gig SSDs are formatted as APFS, GUID partition scheme, and have 3 partitions.
6. Launch SuperDuper! to make the bootable backups/clones. And yes, it works, and those backups are definitely bootable.

Some folks might also say that is way too much, over kill, time consuming, etc. But not the case at all. In fact, it is "in my DNA" to do it, especially since I have been doing it for so, so long. Besides, while those processes are going on, I am not sitting by machines twiddling my thumbs. I am cleaning our townhome at the same time. That is, multi-tasking. Another concept that may seem foreign to some folks! I actually complete all of that within 3 hours (includes some "break in the action" times).

Now, I have also not been successful in getting Ventura installed on an external SSD. Have tried to do it directly, and using a bootable Ventura installer USB Drive. But I've read that the external SSD I am trying to install Venture onto needs to be Erased and Formatted with the Ventura Version of Disk Utility. Yeah, sounds crazy, but I remember last year encountering that exact same issue with Monterey.

Last night, I once again made a Ventura bootable USB flash drive, and from what I understand, it contains the Ventura version of Disk Utility. Later on today, I plan on again attempting to do a clean, fresh installation of V13.0.1 of Ventura onto my (new) Samsung T7 1TB SSD. But when I boot my Mini from that bootable SSD, I will first Erase and Format the SSD with version of Disk Utility on the USB drive. I really hope it works this time. If I am successful, I plan on testing SuperDuper! (have the latest version, of course!). But I will need to do that on another external SSD, as I don't want to mess anything up. I'll report on my progress (I hope!) later on.

This link seems to be very good regarding the clean installation of Ventura:


Note that in Step 4: Clean install macOS Ventura on Mac, step 4 within that paragraph says "After launching Disk Utility on that bootable SSD, select your Mac's internal disk and click the Erase button to clean the entire disk for macOS Ventura clean installation". I actually will select the external empty SSD to do that. Hopefully it works."

We'll see.

 
no, no problem, all good but its not working. ill try with a clean computer sometimes but i can confirm everyone is having trouble with externals, at least for intel macs
I have no problem cloning to an external drive. intel mac (Ventura)
 
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