Carriers scared of Apple? That's the first time i've heard of it.
It's a new concept, and some people are usually afraid of new, specially if it's different to what they are already used to. And even more, if the concept sounds strange.
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Carriers Object to Apple's Plans for Built-In iPhone SIM Even as GSMA Moves Forward
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It's a new concept, and some people are usually afraid of new, specially if it's different to what they are already used to. And even more, if the concept sounds strange.
This is based on what if "I break my phone". Do you break your phone a lot? There is a reason the cell phone companies are against this and its because it benefits the customer.
You could just get accidental damage insurance from a 3rd party company.
It usually costs a lot less than the insurance provided by the carriers, which has a $70+ deductible and a limited number of incidents.
I have already insured my iPad with Safeware.
Do you switch carriers a lot ?
Benefits how ? I can already switch carriers with an unlocked phone, SIM or not. I can even use a SIM from a different country, something the phone might not have in a theoritical SIM switching app.
I don't see the benefit sorry.
That doesn't give you a temp phone to use in the meanwhile that you don't have to call anybody to activate, like what we have with SIMs.
Heck, if my battery runs out while I'm out and I need to receive a call and didn't activate forwarding, I can use my plan and my minutes in someone else's phone currently. Or just use their phone to activate forwarding on mine by doing SIM swapping.
SIMs are beneficial to the consumer.
if I wanted a phone with no personal control I would've gone with Verizon!
Having a phone with a SIM is the reason I switched to AT&T.
If Apple wants to impress me with regards to this debate they should allow the iPhone to be locked after my 18-24 month contract is up.
Why is my iPhone 3G still locked? and now they
want control of my next iPhone's SIMs directly & indirectly.
If I get hit on the head and want to by an Android I then have to go to to "release" the phone's SIM.
I'm already in Sync timeout hell with iTunes. Vote NO!
Having a phone with a SIM is the reason I switched to AT&T.
If Apple wants to impress me with regards to this debate they should allow the iPhone to be locked after my 18-24 month contract is up.
Why is my iPhone 3G still locked? and now they
want control of my next iPhone's SIMs directly & indirectly.If I get hit on the head and want to by an Android I then have to go to
to "release" the phone's SIM.I'm already in Sync timeout hell with iTunes. Vote NO!
Wait a second, if you break your phone, unless you purchased Accidental insurance from the carrier, you'll need to buy a new phone, and most of the time at the regular price (no discount), and if you do get it at a discount, the carrier will extend your plan 2 more years.
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This is a terrible idea. it would give all of the control to the carriers. As it is now, as long as you have an active SIM you can use it in any device you please. This change would make I more like having a Verizon phone where you have to contact them or use their web site to change phones.
I'm sure they can still "lock" it to specific carriers.
This is a terrible idea. it would give all of the control to the carriers. As it is now, as long as you have an active SIM you can use it in any device you please. This change would make I more like having a Verizon phone where you have to contact them or use their web site to change phones.
I'm sure they can still "lock" it to specific carriers.
Do you switch carriers a lot ?
Benefits how ? I can already switch carriers with an unlocked phone, SIM or not. I can even use a SIM from a different country, something the phone might not have in a theoritical SIM switching app.
I don't see the benefit sorry.
That doesn't give you a temp phone to use in the meanwhile that you don't have to call anybody to activate, like what we have with SIMs.
Heck, if my battery runs out while I'm out and I need to receive a call and didn't activate forwarding, I can use my plan and my minutes in someone else's phone currently. Or just use their phone to activate forwarding on mine by doing SIM swapping.
SIMs are beneficial to the consumer.
Safeware pays the insurance claim within 24-hours, so you could either:
a) Wait 24 hours for your money
b) Buy a phone with a credit card and then pay it off when you receive your money.
I wouldn't be interested in having a loaner phone for a day if I would have to spend a lot of time loading my contacts and data, then have to erase it before returning the phone.
if my battery runs out, I would just run to the nearest USB port and connect it to it, then make my call. I usually avoid that by keeping my phone charged while driving.
I keep my old phone around always when upgrading. If something happens with my new one, I pop my SIM in my old one until I get the new one serviced/replaced, no matter how (warranty, insurance, 24 hours, whatever, I don't care about the details).
That's the crux of my argument, you're inventing tons of scenarios that have nothing to do with my simple example.
There's no USB ports at the pub. **** happens, SIMs bail you out. No SIMs don't. All your counter points are not addressing the core issue that removing the SIM is removing benefits we have now for... what exactly ?
I get that you're trying to be helpful, but I know how to get by. But I also know the SIM gives me additional resources that are convenient.
How ? How does it give you more control than a SIM based phone ? I gave plenty of examples where you have less control with the no-SIM method.
Big Brother Unique Cell Phone Identifier ???
Well maybe you have a serial number (kind of like your social security number) and you can remotely activate that number to any other cell phone with embedded SIM by registering it to your assigned number ... uh oh - a vulnerability to Big Brother abuse... It's early here and this is my initial thought so don't slay me if I missed the big picture
Well maybe you have a serial number (kind of like your social security number) and you can remotely activate that number to any other cell phone with embedded SIM by registering it to your assigned number ... uh oh - a vulnerability to Big Brother abuse... It's early here and this is my initial thought so don't slay me if I missed the big picture
The truth is: whether we like it or not, if Apple wants to do it this way, it will be done. And despite any complaints, most of us will eventually get used to it, and focus on complaining about something else.
Remember similar discussions about the iPhone being locked and only being able to get your apps at the App Store unless jail-breaking the iPhone?
I hardly see any threads complaining about it. People just either got used to the concept, or jail-breaked their iPhones. iPhone sales were not affected by this "issue".
So in a year, this thread will become a no longer relevant thread.
Remember similar discussions about the iPhone being locked and only being able to get your apps at the App Store unless jail-breaking the iPhone?
I hardly see any threads complaining about it. People just either got used to the concept, or jail-breaked their iPhones. iPhone sales were not affected by this "issue".
So in a year, this thread will become a no longer relevant thread.
So, we should just silently accept anything Apple ever does ?
I'll just buy an Android phone if it ever comes to that. I don't see why I should give up the freedom a SIM gives me.
Carriers and TV networks are the worst fascists and thieves of today's developed world. And of course ATM charges up to $6, and GM food.
People who are saying you just can just use an app or call the carrier to change phones...it's not that easy.
Say your battery in your iphone is almost dead and you need a phone quickly and you don't have anywhere to charge it. Well, just grab that old trusty Nokia 1600, put in your card and bam. All your contacts have been switched over and you can go on calling. You can't plug a Nokia into iTunes.
I was on Verizon for a number of years and switching phones was such a complicated hassle (calling them and giving them a long series of numbers - and even then your contacts don't switch over). Now, I'm here in SIM-friendly Europe and I've been able to switch from phone to phone with no hassle.
Say your battery in your iphone is almost dead and you need a phone quickly and you don't have anywhere to charge it. Well, just grab that old trusty Nokia 1600, put in your card and bam. All your contacts have been switched over and you can go on calling. You can't plug a Nokia into iTunes.
I was on Verizon for a number of years and switching phones was such a complicated hassle (calling them and giving them a long series of numbers - and even then your contacts don't switch over). Now, I'm here in SIM-friendly Europe and I've been able to switch from phone to phone with no hassle.
I can use an app to change my service anytime anywhere. I don't have to find a place to buy a sim, I don't have to worry about where did that sim go for France, now I am in Spain, where is my Spain SIM...
So, we should just silently accept anything Apple ever does ?
I'll just buy an Android phone if it ever comes to that. I don't see why I should give up the freedom a SIM gives me.
What I meant is that we all have a freedom of choice. But complaining is only going to kill our livers and it's not going to make Apple change its mind.
The day Apple does something I don't like, I'll search for alternatives too.
Soon I'm going to be on the market for a new phone, the iPhone is one choice, but I also have a lot of Android phones to choose from, plus Windows 7 phones. I'm just going to take my time and learn about the alternatives.
After all, I never married Apple.
Right because I always carry 2 or 3 phones with me...If my battery dies, I don't make a phone call...And with VZW, you can dial a code and change your phone...
That's why we should thank BitTorrent, YouTube, Netflix and other free video streaming for freeing us of those outrageous TV charges.
True, but sadly my better half watches news every other day so there goes $100/mo and hours of TV commercials into my living room.
Did you know you can buy a mini-SIM converter online?
It's just a special SIM cutter.
There's also a mini-SIM adapter to be able to use it on a regular SIM slot.
So SIM size is no longer an issue.