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Why don't they give a decent explanation about what happened? I mean ".. were compromised by a very targeted attack on user names, passwords and security questions .." isn't really that much of an explanation.

Did they just happen to guess the password? Or are security questions pure ******** (which they ofcourse are)? Did they bruteforce it somehow? Howhowhowhow?

I'm still betting my money on a bruteforce due to the "leak" in Find My iPhone that was fixed.

That would be a "breach", which is what they are saying did not happen.
 
I'm not surprised. Most of us, who aren't celebrities, care more about security than celebrities do.

Unlikely. It's possible that most of us here at MR's think about it more, though.

I bet they had easy passwords

A safe bet, given that this is what the headline said.

and most of their security questions answers could be found on Google.

Not exactly their fault when the security questions tend to be very boilerplate.
 
Is the headline jumping to a conclusion or is it you? Kinda seems like you're creating as issue where none exists - specifically regarding that headline, not the entire subject.

What false conclusion do you think the headline implies?

That the source of the images is iCloud, when they came from a darknet market :/
 
and what would that problem be? if nude photos of men were SO desirable, they would be hacked too...by men to disgrace other men and by women who want to see the nude male celebs. but that's not the case.

don't try and act like this is some conspiracy against women...men are exponentially more driven by visual attractiveness than women are. so naturally it is no surprise that pornography is centered around nude women with men as an afterthought.

it's called sexual supply and demand. there isn't a demand for nude male photos or there isn't enough of a demand for people to act on it

You just proved my point. Thank you. The objectification of women/rape culture we live in makes it more "ok" to post pictures of women. And further to (not saying you specifically - but some on this forum) suggest that because they took the photo - everyone in the world is entitled to see those pictures or that it's ok.
 
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Poor passwords meaning they're identical passwords to other accounts such as hotmail/Facebook or even obsolete social networks. Therefore there isn't just one way to get the info but multiple.

Photostream works on Mac/PC. It's installed with iTunes on Windows by default. Windows has so much malware that a simple backdoor could mean full, uncompromised access to this data ...

Basically, even if the information had come from iCloud, it's likely that they got the required information from loads of other sources rather than just straight-out bruteforcing. And at the moment there's a lot of ambiguity with what was leaked from where.
Thanks for the explanation. And weak like that, okay I understand. Your password is only as strong as the weakest service you're using with it. That's why I myself have unique passwords for my high-privacy things, such as Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.

I've read that certain celebs claim to use BB or Android, so it probably has nothing to do with Photostream or any other Apple-related services.
 
And the won't either, but Apple hasn't denies it either, if you read all they have said is this hasn't resulted in any 'breach', not that they didn't have a hole they have now patched. Of course it wasn't breached, people got in using passwords, they didn't hack their way in without passwords.

And another point, to all those people on here that were telling me these photos were not stolen from the iCloud, well it certainly reads to me as though Apple has confirmed they WERE.

We wanted to provide an update to our investigation into the theft of photos of certain celebrities. When we learned of the theft, we were outraged and immediately mobilized Apple's engineers to discover the source. Our customers' privacy and security are of utmost importance to us. After more than 40 hours of investigation, we have discovered that certain celebrity accounts were compromised by a very targeted attack on user names, passwords and security questions, a practice that has become all too common on the Internet. None of the cases we have investigated has resulted from any breach in any of Apple's systems including iCloud(R) or Find my iPhone. We are continuing to work with law enforcement to help identify the criminals involved.

So in one cleverly worded paragraph, they state no 'breach', but confirm celebrity accounts were accessed and photos stolen.
As I have already stated this IS Apple's fault due to their systems not being setup to lock your account after multiple incorrect password guesses.

you raise a very good point. on many systems after 3 or so (sometimes the limit is 10) incorrect guesses it not only temporarily locks the account but it sends a notification email stating what is going on. that would have given these women time to act...to go in and change passwords and change security questions again...or contact apple and put a temp hold on everything.

my guess is that Apple decided not to do this in a move to save money. they figured the amount of time wasted would add up to substantial costs in terms of labor hours at the Apple Store or Apple Care 1-800 number with customers who locked themselves out of their own accounts and needed the hold lifted. that is my guess because this is common sense in today's age. heck my Windows XP laptop from 2004 won't let you type in the wrong password more than 5 times before it locks you out and you have to go through various steps
 
Not surprised. I hope those affected learned their lesson. They should seriously consider purchasing 1Password and get into the habit of safe guarding their accounts in a more secure and proactive manner.

Rofl@1Password. Right, because that's for security gurus.
 
They were guessing passwords.

A rate-limit would have stopped a lot of that.

The security hole that was patched was not involved in this hack.

Nope still blame Apple partly, because it magically patched a security hole and THEN announced it was nothing to do with a security hole...

Anyway, it is their fault entirely for not blocking accounts after the wrong password was used so many times. That is inexcusable IMO.

You claimed you're not here to apple bash but you're not even reading the article. The security hole that they patched had to do with find my iphone. Apple stated that this exploit was not used in this hack.

So, now the only thing you have left is "apple is still at fault even though they fixed it and this was not the cause"...kinda speaks for itself. It's clear the only thing that would make you happy is if apple found that it was a breach.
 
Is it really Apple's fault when an ex-boyfriend passes around photos? And is Apple responsible for photos that weren't stored on iCloud? These photos were acquired in all sorts of ways.

The real mystery here is why has Apple been tagged as the company solely responsible for the mess. The only explanation seems to be that Apple fixed a security issue in Find My iPhone around the same time this story broke. Some of the initial reports speculated that the two events could be connected. Over time the "may have" and "possibly" were dropped from articles and Apple was blamed.

So it is your banks fault if I got into your online account by guessing your password after a few hundred attempts? IS IT? That's your logic on that one, of course it is Apple's fault, it is their system, it is their engineers that made it and service it, it is their responsibility to allow for simple passwords and set up systems to prevent hacking or accounts being accessed as much as possible.
And did you not read the parts I highlighted? You know the ones where Apple CONFIRMS it HAS had several celebrity accounts accessed and photos stolen... why would anyone blame anyone else when Apple has admitted it was them?
 
I've always thought it was silly to say that the name of my high school was a security question-- there is nothing secure about that information.

Nobody ever said that these questions have to be answered truthfully. The problem is that most people seem to treat these security questions like quiz questions and don't consider for even a microsecond that they could actually give a made-up answer, as long as it's an answer they can easily remember.

For example, when asked for the name of your high school, you could answer "Hogwarts", and no amount of social engineering could ever allow anyone to guess that question (unless of course you are Daniel Radcliffe).
 
You just proved my point. Thank you. The objectification of women/rape culture we live in makes it more "ok" to post pictures of women. And further to (not saying you specifically - but some on this forum) suggest that because they took the photo - everyone in the world is entitled to see those pictures or that it's ok.

If you're looking for a reasoned argument or sudden flash of realization from someone like that, you're wasting your time. "Men like boobs, so it's okay to steal nudes." Strong logic.
 
And they won't either, but Apple hasn't denied it either, if you read all they have said is this hasn't resulted in any 'breach', not that they didn't have a hole they have now patched. Of course it wasn't breached, people got in using passwords, they didn't hack their way in without passwords.

And another point, to all those people on here that were telling me these photos were not stolen from the iCloud, well it certainly reads to me as though Apple has confirmed they WERE.

We wanted to provide an update to our investigation into the theft of photos of certain celebrities. When we learned of the theft, we were outraged and immediately mobilized Apple's engineers to discover the source. Our customers' privacy and security are of utmost importance to us. After more than 40 hours of investigation, we have discovered that certain celebrity accounts were compromised by a very targeted attack on user names, passwords and security questions, a practice that has become all too common on the Internet. None of the cases we have investigated has resulted from any breach in any of Apple's systems including iCloud(R) or Find my iPhone. We are continuing to work with law enforcement to help identify the criminals involved.

So in one cleverly worded paragraph, they state no 'breach', but confirm celebrity accounts were accessed and photos stolen.
As I have already stated this IS Apple's fault due to their systems not being setup to lock your account after multiple incorrect password guesses.

You can say whatever you want; doesn't make it fact. FBI is investigating. If they'd conclude Apple was at fault then so be it. Until then Apple is in the clear in my book.
 
Serves them right having such a weak password.

I bet "password" or "abc123" were used.

What do you expect "celebrities"? I knew iCloud was stronger than that.

Feeling pretty good about yourself, huh?

Victim blaming's fun :)
 
I did read the thread that said this was probably a social engineering problem.

And iCloud did allow an unlimited number of consecutive failed login attempts, until very early this morning.

The first problem did not excuse the second one.

No, a backdoor through the find my phone interface allowed for consecutive failed login attempts. It wasn't as simple as you're making out.

It was fixed YESTERDAY morning.
 
You just proved my point. Thank you. The objectification of women/rape culture we live in makes it more "ok" to post pictures of women. And further to (not saying you specifically - but some on this forum) suggest that because they took the photo - everyone in the world is entitled to see those pictures or that it's ok.

well it wasn't my attempt to prove anyone's point, i'm just stating how things are with male and female human beings. technology takes things to different levels, but men will always be attracted to the female body and will act more aggressively to see, touch, exploit, whatever...when compared to what females will do towards males. here is what i posted earlier on in this thread:



Regardless of who these people were and if you think they deserved it, the fact is they didn't and what happened was wrong. They may live a celeb lifestyle with privileged treatment, drive fancy cars, and even do drugs on the side...many have already had wardrobe malfunctions in the past that get exposed by cameras taking 5 photographs a second at all angles as they step out of a car in a skirt. BUT all of these women have fathers and mothers and brothers/sisters, friends, boyfriends, and some of them are married. This leak brings public shame to everyone associated with these people and their lives are affected too. Not to mention some careers will be over for many of these actresses who already said they would never do a nude scene in a film bc their career is more important than money (some even mention Julia Roberts at having been their inspiration for acting). What people do in their private lives is different than what they would do in their public lives. We are all guilty of this and we would all react with disgust if one of these women were our sister, our daughter, our girlfriend, or fiancé/wife.
 
It isn't usually the case that the password itself is really weak (as in you'd guess it by the hundredth try), but that most people use the same passwords everywhere. So, all you need to do is find one weak link in the chain (hack into some random web server, grab a password file/database and brute force it) and suddenly everything is compromised. The other weak link is your email, so even if they used a different password for Apple than they did for gmail, say.. If they used the gmail password somewhere else and someone gets access to that, then they're a 'Forgot my password' away from accessing everything else too.
 
No it doesn't. Why relish in something bad happening to someone just because they're a celebrity.

Schadenfreude. Not saying it's good, but it's understandable. If this breach happened to you or I do you think Apple or the media would give one, single fig about it? Never. But it happens to them and the whole world is offended. Something about the fact that it has to do with their own neglect softens the blow of indifference to the masses.
 
They do. Apple offers 2 step verification if you want to use it.

Yes, but they still allow the password-only authentication.

In a cloud system design, there should be NO password-only authentication.
 
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