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If you leave your door open and get robbed, you definitely share some of the blame even though you are not guilty of the crime.

Well, they didn't leave the door open, instead the lock in the door wasn't the best one you could get. The door was still locked and the thieves still had to break in.

Stop blaming the victims.
 
Always like to think outside the box on cases like this. I'm not a lunatic conspiracy theorist, but it healthy to have questions.... My question: Is it inconceivable a rival such as Samsung facilitated this attack to negatively affect Apple's reputation?

How about other governments or "states" to cause stupid news agencies to give less time to stories about their recent activities? Naked celebrity news is so much more important and deserving of news time and inches than tank invasions and genocide! :eek:
 
What!? My password oscar4me wasn't good enough?

/I know a lot of very intelligent people who use simple passwords and I'm not blaming the victims but we need a strong campaign educating people about what are and are not good passwords. Apple's work with suggested passwords is a great start (if only people will use it).

I use simple passwords at times also... but c'mon. if you are storing something sensitive like banking information, or a shot of your hooha's... maybe you SHOULD use a stronger password.

The key phrase here for me is "and security questions". Most of those questions are biographical, and most celebrity biographies are well known.

I've always thought it was silly to say that the name of my high school was a security question-- there is nothing secure about that information.

Uh... yeah, when they ask you what your middle name is, maybe it's not a good idea to use your actual middle name. Make something up like "poindexter" or something.
 
I'm not surprised. Most of us, who post on technology-related forums, care more about security than regular people do. I bet they had easy passwords, and most of their security questions answers could be found on Google.

Fixed that for you.

It's not "being a celebrity" that makes people less likely to be security aware; it's "being a celebrity" that makes people more likely to be a target of an attack. I'm sure your friend's sister's boyfriend has just as easy-to-hack credentials as $randomcelebrity; it's just that your friend's sister's boyfriend is much less likely to be worthy of attacking.
 
Not that I support you theory, but Apple should not have waited until Monday to address this story.

This spread like wild fire on the internet and the mainstream media picked it up and is being reported not stop.

It was a big holiday weekend, low resources at Apple and most people on holiday. What do you want them to do, issue a press release when they have no information at all, invent stuff? They said right away they were investigating and that's all they could really do initially.
 
Stop blaming the victims.

Stop saying stop blaming the victim.

It can be pointed out that if someone has insufficient security they put themselves at risk. There is an opportunity to learn here. This rhetorical "STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM!!!" chorus is teaching no one anything except how to cry victim.
 
That the source of the images is iCloud, when they came from a darknet market :/

Some of the images did come from compromised iCloud accounts.

"After more than 40 hours of investigation, we have discovered that certain celebrity accounts were compromised by a very targeted attack on user names, passwords and security questions, a practice that has become all too common on the Internet."

And you're right, from what I've read a lot of these photos have been shared for months or years before being leaked. That doesn't change Apple's own partial acknowledgement. With all that said, my original premise stands. The bashing seemed to be more in your mind than in that headline. It's just my opinion. You may be seeing something I'm not.;)
 
I use simple passwords at times also... but c'mon. if you are storing something sensitive like banking information, or a shot of your hooha's... maybe you SHOULD use a stronger password.

Banks use a much more secure system though, for instance mine has a user code, then random numbers from a passcode and then random characters from a password, you get TWO attempts to get them all right otherwise the account is locked.
 
If you leave your door open and get robbed, you definitely share some of the blame even though you are not guilty of the crime.

Except the door in this case was locked and BROKEN INTO. God, why doesn't school teach logic, reasoning, and analogies.
 
Just a thought?

Maybe someone has mentioned this already.

People are blaming Apple saying they should have a password attempt limit, but what if the "hackers" attempted the password on another site repeatedly until they got it and then just tried it on the Apple account?

I don't know if Apple has an incorrect password limit, but if they do, this could could have been how they got around it.
 
I don't believe one second that this is going on for years. Probably got introduced during a recent software update cycle. Also, if you have a decent password, this "attack" would not work because Apple would detect it if the number of login tries spiked to the millions, so I'm loath to call this brute force.

This is brute force, and any system should lock down an account if someone tries to log in with 10 different passwords. The pattern here isn't someone forgetting if the 5th character was an 1,L, or an l, the pattern is of someone trying the most common passwords.
 
11 female celebrities out of... all of them. Those are pretty good odds for finding weak passwords.

Don't you just HATE women? I mean, they're just so STU-- oh crap, sorry, we're not supposed to have our misogyny meetings in public.

:rolleyes:
 
If you are vain enough to take nude photos,
Then you probably have an dumb password.

If you don't want nude photos in the world then never take them in the first place. No one on the list should be allowed to protest about pictures they took, no matter who they were intended for. If you don't mind your naked self then good on you and post em up where ever you want.

If you are vain enough to have a big screen TV, Then you probably have a poor lock on your door.

If you don't want someone taking your TV then never buy one in the first place. No one on should be allowed to protest having their TV stolen, no matter who it was intended for.
 
The key phrase here for me is "and security questions". Most of those questions are biographical, and most celebrity biographies are well known.

I've always thought it was silly to say that the name of my high school was a security question-- there is nothing secure about that information.

There is actually no requirement that answers to these "security questions" have to be truthful. "Name of your high school" = 39dji39afnaloef is perfectly fine and reasonably secure.
 
According to some on here their was no backdoor Find my iPhone issue. And so by default, before their security patch, your telling me you could not enter your password as many times as you wanted because after 4 or 5 incorrect attempts your account was locked?

Link to proof please.

There was a backdoor issue. It allowed unlimited login attempts but had to be through a specific service's interface into iCloud...and was accomplished with a special script. It wasn't something as obvious as being able to simply try logging in an unlimited amount of times with any user account through any iCloud interface.

There is no way in hell I'm looking for "proof" for you, you're the conspiracy theorist here.
 
Well, they didn't leave the door open, instead the lock in the door wasn't the best one you could get. The door was still locked and the thieves still had to break in.

Stop blaming the victims.

If they did everything they could, then yes. But if they acted carelessly, I think they share some of the blame.


But this discussion is very personal so nobody is right or wrong. I just think people learn how to protect themselves when they feel some of the blame. Otherwise they'll go on their usual ways and get hacked again in the future.
 
Why are so few people focusing on the fact that this part is totally Apple's fault?

Because we don't know that they took more than a few password attempts to get in? If the answers to all security questions were all easily available they might not have needed to make a single guess at the passwords.
 
iCloud needs to take to the new level...finger scanner to update pictures...no more password crap.
 
Nope, but they could have been on her computer considering just how many years we have had digital cameras for, and as they updated their computers the photos followed until they backed them all up to the iCloud.

And that's not how photo stream works...it's obvious you don't know jack**** about Apple's tech, why are you here?

Backing things up to iCloud is not done the way you think it's done, and backing up photos even less so.
 
Says who? Good luck with that with the police! You have no idea of what you are talking about.

If I leave the doors open it's my choice, no one has anything to do with it. I would break the legs of the thieves, if I could.

Did you even read my post? I said the same exact thing you just did. If you don't lock your doors, you're to blame just as much as the thief who walks in the unlocked door.
 
This is brute force, and any system should lock down an account if someone tries to log in with 10 different passwords. The pattern here isn't someone forgetting if the 5th character was an 1,L, or an l, the pattern is of someone trying the most common passwords.

A point people don't want to see or admit to. ALL of Apples systems should lock you out if you enter the wrong password too many times, in fact all online systems should do that regardless.
 
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