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CES 2011: Verizon Makes No Mention of iPhone, iPad Competitors Take Shape

PBG4 Dude said:
Verizon has 87.7 million subscribers. There are less than 35 million people living in Canada. How can one of at least 3 Canadian carriers be called big when Verizon has almost triple the number of subscribers as people living in Canada???
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VZW has 93.2 million ;)
 
NKT said:
Smaller than before? Link please.

VZW is testing CSIM's for their devices. So that's a moot point...

As for different radio standards, you have that today with GSM.
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http://www.gsacom.com/index.php4

  • Over 4 Billion GSM and WCDMA-HSPA
    Subscribers Globally
    4,802,789,210
  • 3G/WCDMA subscribers including HSPA
    616,704,959
Number of CDMA subscribers worldwide:
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_world_subscriber.asp
550 Million.

There are more 3G HSPA subscribers than all CDMA subscribers combined.

To avoid confusion, I should explain that WCDMA is not the same as CDMA in this context. Rather, it is a name for the 3G standard used by GSM carriers that is also known as HSPA, HSPA+, UMTS (Europe) and FOMA (Japan).

You should know that they are lumping EVDO laptop data card users in with CDMA phone users so the numbers for Europe are distorted by that.

CDMA phones outside of the US are generally used by poor people who could never afford a smartphone plan of any kind. They have talk and text "dumb" flip phones.
 
NKT said:
Actually, they only expected production in the Fall, not launching.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...42601774892.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories
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Nay.

Companies like Apple do not sit on large inventories for quarters.

They use manufacturing concepts like JIT so they do not accumulate inventory. Heck, I doubt that Apple has ever had more than a 30-day or 45-day supply of any iDevice.

If Apple started manufacturing a device in September, it would have been on a store shelf by Thanksgiving.
 
NKT said:
Actually, they only expected production in the Fall, not launching.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...42601774892.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories
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To which Macrumors reported a likely November launch:



https://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/28/verizon-iphone-possibly-available-as-soon-as-november/

TheStreet reports on a new research note from Rodman Renshaw analyst Ashok Kumar claiming that Apple appears to be ramping toward a possible November launch for a Verizon version of the iPhone.
The Mac maker has also told its manufacturing partner Asustek to plan on starting full-scale production of a CDMA version of the iPhone to be available at Verizon as early as November, Kumar says. The report is yet another confirmation of Apple's long-awaited Verizon iPhone, which still awaits final approval from the two companies that have not always seen eye-to-eye.

Multiple reports have pointed to Pegatron, an operating division of Asustek, as the manufacturer for the Verizon iPhone, a departure from Apple's partnership with Foxconn/Hon Hai for manufacturing of current GSM-based iPhones.
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Furthermore lets not forget what Macrumors quoted from the WSJ about the Verizon CEO stating that Apple would likely wait until the 4G network arrives:

Verizon iPhone More Likely When 4G Networks Arrive in 2010
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/687476/
Apr 16, 2009

The Wall Street Journal reports on comments made by Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg on a broad number of topics surrounding the company.

Of interest to readers, however, is the fact that Seidenberg addressed the possibility of Apple's iPhone coming to the Verizon network.

Quote: Mr. Seidenberg also addressed the notion of Apple Inc.'s iPhone ever coming to the Verizon Wireless network, saying it is more likely that Apple would be willing to work with the carrier under the fourth-generation, or 4G, network, which follows the same technology standard as AT&T Inc.'s 4G plans. He said Apple never seriously considered making a CDMA version of the iPhone because it didn't have as wide a distribution opportunity.

CDMA is the technology behind Verizon's current cellular network and prevents the current Apple iPhone from running on their network. In order to accommodate Verizon, Apple would have to release a modified (CDMA) iPhone which Seidenberg seems to think was never likely.
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NeuralControl said:
Honeycomb looks fantastic. Google really evolved the OS into something truly meant for a tablet, as opposed to just putting a phone OS on a big screen.

I really hope the next iPad has a reworked OS. iOS is a stable and solid OS, but Apple should modify it already (at least for iPad).
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Isn't that what they do every spring? I'm expecting big things from iOS 5. Honeycomb does look great, but of course we need to see it running on actual tablet hardware to see how well it actually works. Hopefully this rapid development of mobile OS's will continue for a while.
 
aristotle said:
http://www.gsacom.com/index.php4

  • Over 4 Billion GSM and WCDMA-HSPA
    Subscribers Globally
    4,802,789,210
  • 3G/WCDMA subscribers including HSPA
    616,704,959
Number of CDMA subscribers worldwide:
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_world_subscriber.asp
550 Million.

There are more 3G HSPA subscribers than all CDMA subscribers combined.

To avoid confusion, I should explain that WCDMA is not the same as CDMA in this context. Rather, it is a name for the 3G standard used by GSM carriers that is also known as HSPA, HSPA+, UMTS (Europe) and FOMA (Japan).

You should know that they are lumping EVDO laptop data card users in with CDMA phone users so the numbers for Europe are distorted by that.
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How do you know they're not lumping the same way with the HSPA numbers?

CDMA phones outside of the US are generally used by poor people who could never afford a smartphone plan of any kind. They have talk and text "dumb" flip phones.
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How many of the GSM subs fall into that same category?

The key point is, just looking at the US and Asia, there's more than enough market to justify making a CDMA/Dual band device. There's nothing stopping Apple from doing so and opening itself to a very lucrative market. Once VZW transitions to LTE, they will already have a foothold with subscribers.
 
what i hope happens> Later in January, Apple announces iPhone 4 on ALL 4 major carriers.

Also, the Honeycomb tablets are looking sweet. Anybody who says otherwise is just a fanboy.
 
paradox00 said:
Isn't that what they do every spring? I'm expecting big things from iOS 5. Honeycomb does look great, but of course we need to see it running on actual tablet hardware to see how well it actually works. Hopefully this rapid development of mobile OS's will continue for a while.
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uh, you saw honeycomb running on actual tablet hardware. it's no different than watching Steve show off the iPad in January last year.
 
TheSlush said:
I can't imagine that Apple is sweating too much about Android Honeycomb, based on that teaser.
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i bet they aren't, yet anyway. I don't think Apple took android seriously until last summer, so it will take a few years.
 
boogieman said:
Verizon Iphone will not happen till full LTE trans. CDMA is a dying technology and apple know this.
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you do know that is at least 10-15 years away at best if not longer.
Do not forget that we are still have GPRS tech running on AT&T and will for a long while. GPRS is pre edge and still running. Verizon will have its CDMA2000 network runnings as a fall back for a very long time and require all phones on their network to be able to run it.
 
You said:

ten-oak-druid said:
And perhaps you should remind people that your sources (ex. WSJ) previously "expected" the Verizon iphone in the fall (September was reported by WSJ) of 2010 and so these "expectations" aren't always reliable.
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The WSJ never said it would launch in September.
 
cvaldes said:
Nay.

Companies like Apple do not sit on large inventories for quarters.

They use manufacturing concepts like JIT so they do not accumulate inventory. Heck, I doubt that Apple has ever had more than a 30-day or 45-day supply of any iDevice.

If Apple started manufacturing a device in September, it would have been on a store shelf by Thanksgiving.
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Read the story/quote again:

One person familiar with the situation said Pegatron is scheduled to start mass producing CDMA iPhones in September. Other people said, however, that the schedule could change and the phone may not be available to consumers immediately after production begins.
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Ugh

I really wish we'd just get this announcement over with so we can get onto something else. :rolleyes:

Like... the return of Pippin! :D Or in the iOS world... iPpin. :p
 
NKT said:
The key point is, just looking at the US and Asia, there's more than enough market to justify making a CDMA/Dual band device. There's nothing stopping Apple from doing so and opening itself to a very lucrative market. Once VZW transitions to LTE, they will already have a foothold with subscribers.
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Yes, there probably is enough market even in the US and especially in Asia to justify a CMDA iPhone.
 
Interesting and hopeful...

I am interested in every innovation in tech. However, the few tablets that are already out there in competition with the iPad are anything but innovative. Cheap and slow are better terms to describe the tablets on the shelf. I am hopeful, though, that competition will make the overall market advance and bring new things to the iPad. Actually, I am pretty happy with what the first iteration of the iPad has delivered. All I really want is a pressure sensitive screen so that I can do better sketching, etc. An increased ability for apps to use the dock connector or an included USB connector for external devices would be nice. I imagine that both of these are items that could be driven by competition. The one thing that competition will not drive is overall quality. Apple nailed this category on their first try and it is unlikely that any company can surpass their standards.
 
Now we are talking :)

THIS is the future!

BleckBerry looks AWESOME and is most likely device I will be spending my money on...

However...

Just look at that Android 3.0!

decisions... decisions...

:(
 
dwd3885 said:
what i hope happens> Later in January, Apple announces iPhone 4 on ALL 4 major carriers.

Also, the Honeycomb tablets are looking sweet. Anybody who says otherwise is just a fanboy.
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If it happens, then it'll be this. First Apple announces the iPad 2 and then there'll be "one more thing"... :D
 
The iPad 2 will likely ship with iOS 4.2 or perhaps 4.3. Any advantages will have to be hardware based, cameras, faster, more ram, thinner, etc., and perhaps App based, iMovie, iPad optimized FaceTime, etc. It will be interesting to see if an iOS 5 update is coming soon, and if so will it be previewed? I would think there will be some major enhancements to iOS 5, and possibly some divergence between iPhone and iPad versions. We could then compare all the previews and declare which is superior without ever touching an actual product!

As for a Verizon iPhone, it will happen ...someday.
 
NKT said:
You said:



The WSJ never said it would launch in September.
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I already responded to you about this. Macrumors implied a November launch based on the WSJ report. More erroneous "expected launches of the Verizon iphone" statements. Same as now. See above.
 
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Wow, Honeycomb looks phenomenal!

I hope iPad 2 really delivers. iOS is already tired and dated.
 
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