It'll suck if the iPad2 has to wait until November to achieve parity with the Summer 2011 iPhone.
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CES 2011: Verizon Makes No Mention of iPhone, iPad Competitors Take Shape
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It'll suck if the iPad2 has to wait until November to achieve parity with the Summer 2011 iPhone.
You responded saying the WSJ said there was a Sept. launch expected. That was incorrect.
Just trying to make sure the right info is being put out there.
I responded to your response and you must have missed it and responded to my first post a second time. In case you missed it, here was my response to you:
To which Macrumors reported a likely November launch:
Furthermore lets not forget what Macrumors quoted from the WSJ about the Verizon CEO stating that Apple would likely wait until the 4G network arrives:
Let me clarify my point. WSJ reported September production. Macrumors used this to state an "expected" launch in November. Once again they were wrong. WSJ made a second report pushing their "estimates" back. Now Macrumors uses this to report an "expected" release this month. I don't buy it. It would be better for Apple to wait until the 4G networks are more developed on all carriers. Furthermore there has never been proof of the exclusive contract having been reworked with ATT to end prior to 2012. Since the 4G networks would be more developed in 2012, this seems like an ideal time to wait to release the next iphones anyway.
And please take note of what Macrumors reported on the CEO of Verizon stating Aple would wait for the LTE network before doing a Verizon iphone.
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A couple notes about the Xoom and Android tablets:
- Tech specs look good, but will it be as solidly built as an iPad? I picked up a galaxy tab, and it feels like a large cheap plastic product to me...will the Xoom or other competing devices be able to match build quality? I have yet to be impressed with any android devices in terms of built quality.
- Will it be price competitive? If the Galaxy tab is any indication, it may be tough...although I don't see how the Galaxy Tab is not a MUCH cheaper product considering the overall cheap feeling quality of it.
- Will it really make it out in Q1? The iPad was MUCH further along development wise when it was revealed last year at the end of January 2010, and still needed until April to be released...seems like quite a challenge as the Xoom is only displaying a video loop right now.
- I have my doubts about that 10 hour battery life. Whether you are an apple lover or hater, Apple is a master at getting great battery life that far surpasses competitors...and the iPad only gets 10 hours...so we will have to see if the Xoom can really get that.
- Finally, I wonder if Android will be able to catchup in terms of market penetration. I welcome the competition, as Apple can oftentimes sit on the latest technology, but tablets are more expensive than cell phones, and subsidies for the iPad and Galaxy tab have not really been that successful yet at moving those products (as most people can manage a cell phone data plan, but don't figure to NEED a tablet data plan)...with that said, it seems like tablets will not be a product that is upgraded as often as a cell phone...so if the iPad 2 is not too inferior spec-wise to the Xoom or other competing tablets, I imagine it will sell millions more this year while Android devices try to play catchup, with not much turnover in terms of original iPad users crossing over to android tablets...just a thought...
- Tech specs look good, but will it be as solidly built as an iPad? I picked up a galaxy tab, and it feels like a large cheap plastic product to me...will the Xoom or other competing devices be able to match build quality? I have yet to be impressed with any android devices in terms of built quality.
- Will it be price competitive? If the Galaxy tab is any indication, it may be tough...although I don't see how the Galaxy Tab is not a MUCH cheaper product considering the overall cheap feeling quality of it.
- Will it really make it out in Q1? The iPad was MUCH further along development wise when it was revealed last year at the end of January 2010, and still needed until April to be released...seems like quite a challenge as the Xoom is only displaying a video loop right now.
- I have my doubts about that 10 hour battery life. Whether you are an apple lover or hater, Apple is a master at getting great battery life that far surpasses competitors...and the iPad only gets 10 hours...so we will have to see if the Xoom can really get that.
- Finally, I wonder if Android will be able to catchup in terms of market penetration. I welcome the competition, as Apple can oftentimes sit on the latest technology, but tablets are more expensive than cell phones, and subsidies for the iPad and Galaxy tab have not really been that successful yet at moving those products (as most people can manage a cell phone data plan, but don't figure to NEED a tablet data plan)...with that said, it seems like tablets will not be a product that is upgraded as often as a cell phone...so if the iPad 2 is not too inferior spec-wise to the Xoom or other competing tablets, I imagine it will sell millions more this year while Android devices try to play catchup, with not much turnover in terms of original iPad users crossing over to android tablets...just a thought...
Again, the WSJ never said it would be launching in September. MacRumors may have implied it was based off an article on TheStreet, but the WSJ never said it. You were trying to use that to invalidate the current reporting of a pending CDMA iPhone in the WSJ.
And what Ivan said doesn't have any bearing on the current rumors of a CDMA iPhone. How do you know he wasn't doing another one of his "Oh, we really don't care if we get it" routines.
Uh huh.
Well you can get all excited about a Verizon iphone this quarter but I seriously doubt it. The "expected" Verizon iphone is nothing more than actually a "desired" Verizon iphone. It doesn't make the rumors true. That is silly I know. Steve and Ivan have met. It has been reported. But it is no more silly than claiming WSJ knows all and ignoring the words of the Verizon CEO.
I think you are putting too much stock in the WSJ's prediction in my opinion.
And it sounds like your take on Ivan's words are based on hope rather than fact. When has his routine of "Oh, we really don't care if we get it" ever been discredited by an iphone release?
Not just the WSJ, but that's beside the point.
Nothing you've pointed to makes the rumors untrue either. So to try and speak with any kind of factual authority is ridiculous (on both sides of the argument).
That photo of him looks a bit creepy or cheesy - or both
Sort of reminds me of an evangelical leader of a cult asking for contributions
Sort of reminds me of an evangelical leader of a cult asking for contributions
Edge is the only thing you can get in many parts of the US and on a recent conference trip to San Francisco, it was the Fastest network available because 3G was so bogged down with users.
Xoom
You know what is really ugly about the Motorola Xoom?
The Verizon logo. It makes it look cheap.
One of the things that make the iPhone a pleasure to look at is the fact that there is no logo or text on the face of the product.
You know what is really ugly about the Motorola Xoom?
The Verizon logo. It makes it look cheap.
One of the things that make the iPhone a pleasure to look at is the fact that there is no logo or text on the face of the product.
The iPad is closer to a PC than a phone. Only Apple and Microsoft have spent decades developing and implementing the vast number of components. Even though Google has a team of highly talented engineers they still need time to implement and debug those components into the Android 3.0.
The same is true for the other hardware iPad competitors. Many of them like Motorola and RIMM have not built a PC before.
The same is true for the other hardware iPad competitors. Many of them like Motorola and RIMM have not built a PC before.
I know that someday the iphone will be released on other networks. Just because these rumors have been wrong over and over and over does not mean they won't be right eventually. And personally I want the iphone to be on other networks.
However, I get tired of seeing these stories posted as fact. Everyone "expects" the release this January. They do? And each and every time one of these dates pass by, people are willing to just hop on board the next date and accept it as fact. No wonder preachers get away with proclaiming armageddon dates that never come. People forget so easily.
In my opinion these rumors are crazy for a few reasons:
1. No one has shown the exclusive contract with ATT has been reworked. Always it is wishful thinking that it has.
2. Rumors point to Apple testing with CDMA - well if Apple does release an iphone on Verizon's LTE eventually it will need to be backward compatible. And the testing doesn't happen overnight anyway.
3. The 4G networks are not well developed yet. Waiting another year makes sense. Apple just released iphone 4. Let it be iphone for a year and then go 4G on multiple networks.
4. All the talk of 4G gaining traction - why would Apple release a CDMA only Verizon iphone in 2011 and then later in the year have 4G be more available. If the carriers are starting to talk of 4G more now, then many customers will be put off by an expensive iphone that isn't 4G.
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I'm at the Verizon booth right now. There seems to be some big announcement in the next minute.
I'm at the Verizon booth right now. There seems to be some big announcement in the next minute.
Apple is pretty. I love my Macbook Pro, I love my iPhone 4.
But eventually, function will outweigh fashion. And Android is gaining. I'm considering switching if iPhone 5 is a snooze.
I agree. The only reason I've purchased Apple products over the last 15 years is because of what the product did and not what it looked like. But it certainly doesn't hurt when a product looks good, too.
It will be interesting to see what they come up with for the 5th phone.
Wow, really, behind the curve? That LTE curve seems well underway here compared to the rest of the world.
Looks like the phone will be launched early next week, seems a bit nuts, but the date coincides with the (launch) introduction of the 1st iPhone so...
http://www.iosnoops.com/2011/01/06/...ne-coming-to-its-network-monday-launch-rumor/
http://www.iosnoops.com/2011/01/06/...ne-coming-to-its-network-monday-launch-rumor/
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Well you have gone from "not happening until 2012" to "I seriously doubt it"
The iPhone was introduced on January 9, 2007.
http://www.macworld.com/article/54769/2007/01/iphone.html
From Wikipedia:
Now, it was released in June, but the original announcement (granted, not precisely warpdag said) was in January.
EDIT: Darn, too slow!
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>>>>>>In my opinion, Apple certainly could and would release a Verizon phone 5 months before the next AT&T version simply because the two products and markets are totally independant of each other. Why does anyone think that Apple "Must" have only one announcement date? Nonsense.
>>>>>>In my opinion, Apple certainly could and would release a Verizon phone 5 months before the next AT&T version simply because the two products and markets are totally independant of each other. Why does anyone think that Apple "Must" have only one announcement date? Nonsense.