CES 2020: LG Unveils New 8K TVs With HomeKit and AirPlay 2 Support

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15 years after HD, 90% of my broadcasts are still 720p. And now we're onto 8k? 🙄

I am intrigued, is that in US or Canada? Pretty much all Europe, UK, China, Taiwan, Japan and broadcasts in 1080P ( may be some are doing 1080i ) and with Baseline H.264.

If it is US or Canada, what happened to ATSC 3.0? I mean that plan has been going for a very long time.

Another useless feature that is at least 10 years too early!

Well, for most of us rolling it now meant it becomes cheaper in 5 years time. So I am not too sure if it is really 10 years early.

One thing to note is that NanoCell for LG is actually a sort of QLED LCD Display, having it 8K and 65" it pretty damn good achievement. It means we are starting to phase out the 1080P production line.
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According to proponents 8K offers more than just more pixels. Less aliasing, higher brightness and contrast perception, depth of field and tonality. Less noise and artifacts. A 8k HEVC stream is 84 Mbps. VVC when released may reduce that requirement.

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/8k-it-s-about-hyper-realism-not-just-more-pixels

That is assuming VVC dont mess up their licensing..... again.....

 

[EugW]

According to proponents 8K offers more than just more pixels. Less aliasing, higher brightness and contrast perception, depth of field and tonality. Less noise and artifacts. A 8k HEVC stream is 84 Mbps. VVC when released may reduce that requirement.

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/8k-it-s-about-hyper-realism-not-just-more-pixels

Honestly, I find 8K totally uninteresting from a practical standpoint. Diminishing returns and all that.

4k is a viable target for mainstream content, and with the most potential bang for the buck going forward in the next decade. 8K, not so much.

 

[dannyyankou]

TVs can barely play native 4K content. Why are we rushing to 8K?

 

[rlhamil]

AI and deep learning are the new "Pro" of product marketing.

All new Aunt Jemima Maple Syrup. Now with Deep Learning. The syrup can detect dry spots on pancakes and waffles and direct the flow to cover them.

Sure. And nanotech edibles would offer vast new opportunities for malware. Assuming in this example, that "Deep Learning" is anything more than a marketing name for gravity and capillary action that would occur anyway.

 

[wigby]

What Apple device supports 8k? Mac Pro?

It depends on what you mean by "support". According to Apple, a new 16 inch MacBook Pro can drive (2) 6k displays at 60Hz. Here's a video of a MacBook editing 8K HDR ProRes:

Of course being able to output to an 8k display when there are no consumer cables or ports released supporting the standard yet makes it difficult if not impossible.

 

[rlhamil]

According to proponents 8K offers more than just more pixels. Less aliasing, higher brightness and contrast perception, depth of field and tonality. Less noise and artifacts. A 8k HEVC stream is 84 Mbps. VVC when released may reduce that requirement.

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/8k-it-s-about-hyper-realism-not-just-more-pixels

I have to wonder how much advantage that really offers though, except in a dedicated theater-like viewing room (dim, few visual distractions from the screen, and preferably a huge and slightly curved screen). Seems to me that stereo "Retina" (as good as one's eyes can distinguish) goggles, although cumbersome, would do a much better job, esp. with binaural+bone conduction audio, and a rumble chair. All you'd need then would be wind and temperature control and a scent dispenser set with relevant fragrances. (Other sensory inputs are possible - and some already exist in primitive form according to reports, but would be either intrusive, subject to abuse, or totally incompatible with a less-than-X rating, or all of the above.)

Of course, the end scenario is jacked into the brain, while suppressing most of the natural senses. "Matrix" level stuff, where you'd not normally be able to tell it from reality. And the level of abuse possible then is also ultimate.

 

[Zoboomafoo]

Shouldn’t things like skin tone be decided by the filmmakers and the tv just try to reproduce original source as accurately as possible?

filmmakers and cinematographers are no match for the creative direction of LG AI.

 

[jrlcopy]

Stop watching broadcast TV! 99% of the content on streaming services is 1080 or above. Any film made or remastered in the last 4-5 years is going to be available in 4K. Similar situation with video games, 4K consoles came out in 2017.

Not entirely true, sometimes the actual source of the content was 720, i.e. anytime you see Trump on TV, ABC feeds, Reuters, etc... Archival, clips of a press briefing. RARELY are they filmed with anything higher than 1280, in the world of news, endless HD content is expensive hard drive wise... they shoot lower, yes they upscale it before they ship it to your TV, but the original source of most of this stuff is 720. Source: I work in the biz.

 

[Zoboomafoo]

We get 4K broadcast in Canada but it’s limited and mainly just sports.

However, I don’t watch a lot of sports.

Yes, my main 4K viewing is Netflix, Prime Video, and AppleTV. I may be getting Disney+ soon too.

I also buy some 4K UHD Blu-ray discs.

If you don’t have Hulu, you can’t watch letterkenny. If you can’t watch letterkenny, are you even watching quality television? I think no

 

[konqerror]

I am intrigued, is that in US or Canada? Pretty much all Europe, UK, China, Taiwan, Japan and broadcasts in 1080P ( may be some are doing 1080i ) and with Baseline H.264.

US uses MPEG2 over ATSC 1.0 or SCTE 07 for cable. As I said, there are issues that prevent 1080p with ATSC 1.0 over the air, and until fairly recently, there were requirements for most cable channels to use MPEG 2 (ClearQAM/CableCard).

Some satellite broadcasters are using H.264, but they have highly limited bandwidth due to carriage of the large amount of local TV channels. Their quality ends up being worse.

The FCC has always taken the position that commercial TV and radio programming is provided by broadcasters as a public service, in exchange for the free spectrum license and ability to show ads. Therefore, broadcasters have to use a format that is accessible to the public. People got free converter boxes during the digital transition, which was funded by the licenses the cell companies bought of the vacated spectrum. Thus OTA TV channels are required to maintain compatibility with those boxes.

Satellite and cable are treated differently. Those are more like European TV where you pay a fee for the privilege of watching. However, there were historical complaints about how much cable TV companies charged for rental of proprietary cable boxes. As a result, during the digital transition, FCC had now-rescinded rules that required every digital TV be able, to a certain extent, to watch cable without a box. This mandated compatibility.

Even when ATSC 3.0 is deployed, broadcasters will have to retain an ATSC 1.0 signal until the FCC declares that there is enough penetration for the original signal to be shut down.

 

[quagski]

Shouldn’t things like skin tone be decided by the filmmakers and the tv just try to reproduce original source as accurately as possible?

Last year when Samsung revealed their 8K TVs they framed it as the AI was used for improving upscaling 720p/1080i content to 8K. Not changing 4K/native content.

 

[EugW]

If you don’t have Hulu, you can’t watch letterkenny. If you can’t watch letterkenny, are you even watching quality television? I think no

Letterkenny is on Crave in Canada but Crave is still 720p. BTW, Crave is actually the streaming service that originally commissioned Letterkenny. I hear that it’s a Hulu exclusive going forward though.

However, I don’t watch it. Have never seen a full episode, even though I have a Crave subscription.

 

[44267547]

88” OLED cost will be over $10k. Unaffordable for 95% of the population.

Except, it’s probably not meant for ‘95% of ‘population.’ LG already knows that. How many consumers have an 88” television in a living-room? I’d say less than 1%. A 88” television is probably more geared towards those that want the best viewing experience possible on the largest display and/or for those who have expendable an 8K display.

 

[HVDynamo]

Another useless feature that is at least 10 years too early!

But, if it makes the 4K OLED's cheaper I am all for it. I have a 55 inch 4K OLED already, but if a 77" dropped down into the $2k range, I might want to upgrade

 

[acalegari]

What will these cost?

Certainly less than the 6k monitor from apple!

 

[garylapointe]

All new Aunt Jemima Maple Syrup. Now with Deep Learning. The syrup can detect dry spots on pancakes and waffles and direct the flow to cover them.

I'd buy the heck out of that!

ALSO: If they can keep the price down, think of how more ecological it would be without all that wasted syrup!

 

[satchmo]

I just picked up a 4K television over the holidays and I’ve had to resort to YouTube for 4K content.

When broadcast stations are still not entirely 4K, I don’t imagine over-the-air will get there anytime soon.

 

[topmounter]

... and more smartphones, cameras, tablets, computers, computer storage, new versions of video editing software, and more! It’s like they are afraid of selling you the last TV you’ll ever need.

Hey, I paid good money for that 3D TV...

 

[alphaswift]

What's the Use Case for one of these in my living room? No one streams in 8K, is there at least an 8K Bluray or UHD disc?

 

[Lozza013]

8K??? Well Australian TV is useless as we still broadcast in 576i it's pathetic.

 

[Spungoflex]

88” OLED cost will be over $10k. Unaffordable for 95% of the population.

But it is affordable for 100% of the people who will be buying one.

 

[Jensend]

Stop watching broadcast TV! 99% of the content on streaming services is 1080 or above. Any film made or remastered in the last 4-5 years is going to be available in 4K. Similar situation with video games, 4K consoles came out in 2017.

About half the movies that are labeled 4k are upscaled from 2K masters. Even most of the recent Marvel (MCU) movies were only mastered at 2K. I believe Black Panther is the only one mastered in 4K, and the camera used to film that was 3.4k

And even though recent consoles support 4K, most AAA games aren't actually rendered at that resolution.

 

[Spungoflex]

Hey, I paid good money for that 3D TV...

It makes me so happy to see that gimmick die such a quick death. What an awful gimmicky gimmick.

 

[Jensend]

Really, 8K is wasted on anything less than 77” and if you’re not viewing less than 10 feet from it. 4K is the gold standard and will remain that way for years to come.

The main positive I see is that it may push computer monitor resolution higher.

 

[fokmik]

We want 16K....i still can see pixel on 8k TV....
Jesus..8K should stay in cinema for the big screens