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CES 2023: Dell Looks to Take on Apple's Pro Display XDR With New 32-Inch 6K Display That Has a Built-In 4K Webcam and Included Stand

tobybrut said:
The Apple Studio Display and Pro Display XDR have a killer feature I have never seen on any other non-Apple monitor... the ability to turn on 100% of the time and very quickly, too. With every other monitor I've ever owned, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the time, the picture just won't show and I have to reboot either the computer or the monitor to get it to come on.

I'd like to see a review of these two monitors (Dell and Samsung) to see if they have that ability. I doubt it. If they do, then they will be competitive as long as their pricing is good.
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You know what is funny? I’ve never had a problem with monitors not turning on with a Windows or Linux machine (some desktops, Dell laptops, ThinkPads…) … same monitors that I’ve used with my Macs.

Yet the Mac minis I had and my current M1 MBA often had/have problem.

Apple is notoriously known for this… weird signaling, monitors not waking up, resolution problems… you name it.

They can’t even implement DP MST in macOS (it works under Windows/Linux on Intel Macs… so hardware is capable) … so I’d assume all the external display problems are a macOS feature.

Who would buy a $1.6k or $5k monitor without a (proper) stand then.

… I am also looking forward to that Samsung 5K monitor… shame the M1 MBA only supports one external display (without “SW accelerated” adapters)
 
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aaronhead14 said:
Lol, zero info about its HDR capabilities is sus
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it's "HDR600 compatible" meaning, essentially, not HDR. It's probably edge-lit with some limited local dimming, but definitely not FALD like the XDR. Hopefully, it will be a lot cheaper too. There are a lot of people who want the largest screen real estate they can get, for displaying documents in Word/Excel, and who do not need HDR capability - that would include me.
 
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so did the article leave out that the Dell has a crappy contrast ratio, is not very bright and is only had 600? Not really a very good monitor, but OK, pretty good for a Dell. Is that the message?
 
livmatus said:
You know what is funny? I’ve never had a problem with monitors not turning on with a Windows or Linux machine (some desktops, Dell laptops, ThinkPads…) … same monitors that I’ve used with my Macs.

Yet the Mac minis I had and my current M1 MBA often had/have problem.

Apple is notoriously known for this… weird signaling, monitors not waking up, resolution problems… you name it.

They can’t even implement DP MST in macOS (it works under Windows/Linux on Intel Macs… so hardware is capable) … so I’d assume all the external display problems are a macOS feature.

Who would buy a $1.6k or $5k monitor without a (proper) stand then.

… I am also looking forward to that Samsung 5K monitor… shame the M1 MBA only supports one external display (without “SW accelerated” adapters)
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nah, that is mallarky. I use an old POC Samsung monitor, turns on fine with my M1 MBP on Ventura. Causes you to wonder what the few complainers have weird. I know the industry standard is pretty stupid so some hubs, some cables support displays the way they should, but others don't. is that really a standard then?
 
attila said:
I don't like Dell's plastic displays.
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My last standalone monitor was a Dell. It had a good stand; tilt, swivel and height adjust, but it was sooo plasticky. Wobbled if so much as a fly came into the room and created minute air turbulence. Screen was ok, nothing special, but oh so plasticky. Dell aren't known for particular build quality.

Oh and that thing is minging. That webcam pustule is just wrong. I'd happily pay double just to not have that.
 
Boidem said:
My last standalone monitor was a Dell. It had a good stand; tilt, swivel and height adjust, but it was sooo plasticky. Wobbled if so much as a fly came into the room and created minute air turbulence. Screen was ok, nothing special, but oh so plasticky. Dell aren't known for particular build quality.

Oh and that thing is minging. That webcam pustule is just wrong. I'd happily pay double just to not have that.
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Dell isn't known for quality period. They typically userunder specced everything. Their SSds are usually the slowest, don't know whether that is because they use slow SSds or they don't use enough channels. They get lower performance out of the intel CPUd than other manufacturers , and they usually have thermal issues worse than other manufacturers. "Dude you're getting a Dell". sounds like a punishment
 
Jensend said:
If you are a professional, HDR in a monitor is only really useful for TV show and movie production. And if you do work in movie/TV production, you'd probably want something better that an mini-LED monitor that only has a few hundred dimming zones.
I'd rather see a cheaper device than a clone of Apple's XDR display.
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This is more of dig at the so-called tech press. They keep trying to make the Dell something it's not. The Apple XDR has the specs to be a pro-approved 6k colour monitor. The Dell does not. Dell doesn't claim it has. Only the tech press does. They're either idiots, or they know they're lying in order to get the clicks.
 
Really glad to see other companies now making 5k and 6k monitors that I can use with my Mac! We all have more options that way, some people will want Apple and some people will want the other brands. Either way we'll have fantastic displays to use while choosing our emojis! :p

I would also much prefer the web cam to be removed on this though but understand that's not everyone's preference.

I think that this is what Dell call their video conferencing range of monitors, like the previous 4k one

Dell UltraSharp 32 4K Video Conferencing Monitor - U3223QZ​


Dell then has the same (I think anyway) monitor but without the web cam:

Dell UltraSharp 32 4K USB-C Hub Monitor - U3223QE​


Hopefully that means that Dell will eventually release a near identical standard 6K 32" monitor without the conferencing equipment (that's what I'm hoping for anyway...)
 
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kyjaotkb said:
it's "HDR600 compatible" meaning, essentially, not HDR. It's probably edge-lit with some limited local dimming, but definitely not FALD like the XDR. Hopefully, it will be a lot cheaper too. There are a lot of people who want the largest screen real estate they can get, for displaying documents in Word/Excel, and who do not need HDR capability - that would include me.
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TFTCentral also thinking about edge-lighting. https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/dell-...esolution-ips-black-panel-and-displayport-2-1.

I like the array of ports on this screen, it's a full-blown Thunderbolt docking station!
 
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aaronhead14 said:
Lol, zero info about its HDR capabilities is sus
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Its HDR is probably not good, which is a) expected (even with 576 zones the XDR isn’t great) and b) much better than the usual crowing about HDR capabilities on monitors where there’s only like 16 edge-lit zones and HDR almost always looks worse than keeping it off.

I do hope more competition in the space lights a fire under Apple.
 
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MauiPa said:
so did the article leave out that the Dell has a crappy contrast ratio, is not very bright and is only had 600? Not really a very good monitor, but OK, pretty good for a Dell. Is that the message?
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The image producing part is probably akin to Studio Display, but its resolution matches the 6k XDR. With Dell, the U range of products is typically like this, mid-range specs with one or two standing features. If there is anything more fancy especially in costly backlight tech, they would have slotted the model under the UP series umbrella.
 
Fiona FTW said:
You are mocking Apple, right? -- Apple's Studio Display monitor is the same price w/ or w/o the tilt stand included. No discount for the stand-free the VESA version. And of course the XDR stand is $1K extra -- probably a 5,000% markup from manufacturing cost.
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The Studio Display, like the iMac, comes with either built-in stand or a VESA mount. Both are basically attached to the back panel by an internal mounting system only accessible from the inside (requires dismantling the display). On both models, the VESA mount is a piece of machined H-shaped Aluminium. So it's an extra component; the basic stand isn't bolted to that. So pricing aside, you're not actually getting anything 'extra' with the basic stand. The VESA mount bit is probably cheaper to make than the stand, sure, but hey. Apple can't be bothered 'discounting' the VESA mount option by the slight difference in cost. So; you probably are getting a slightly 'worse' deal if you go for a VESA mount version. Meh. I did for my iMac, and I'm not bothered in the slightest. I have greater mount options, you see? That's worth more than a probable £20 or so 'discount'.
 
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Ace McLoud said:
Included stand means I'm paying for it even when I'm using a VESA mount.
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Big deal on a potentially much more affordable display, plus you have the flexibility to switch to either mount/stand workflow. Any display not capable of offering both in a pro workflow is shown the door by other purchasers.
 
I do wish Apple had come up with a better mount solution than non-interchangeable versions though. That's the biggest flaw of the new iMac and SD designs. I spose the existing design is perhaps the best in terms of ease of manufacturing etc, rigidity, strength, perhaps size and weight and that, but still. Hey ho. I wouldn't want to buy an expensive monitor then be stuck if I needed a different mounting solution.

That said, my Dell monitor had a proprietary mounting system for the stand, which I believe only fit that particular model (or small range of similar models), so was useless for anything else. How many such things languish in store rooms, lofts etc, which could be repurposed with better design?
 
Michael Scrip said:
I'd rather attach an external webcam when I need it... instead of looking at that large top bezel ALL THE TIME.

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I have a dream that my displays will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the size of their bezels, but by the content of their panel.
Seriously, though, come on, non-Apple people mock us because they say Apple users choose form over function and you're definitely proving them right.
 
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