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Sadly, besides visiting NYC when I was 8, the only real vision I have of NYC is from watching seinfeld ;)

I would like to at least check out Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens.
 
hahah is Syracuse upstate? I guess it is more up than central. :eek:

I'd live around Long Island if I had to move to NY. I don't think I can live in a busy city for long.

YES

Former St. Paul resident here :D.

I love both ChiTown and NYC, so it's tough. Most of the time I prefer Chicago, but I do love me an NYC visit now and again.

But my city of preference is Denver. :cool:

same as minneapolis

Chicago all the way.
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Yes I am hungry and I shall go to Pizzeria Uno this weekend :D

as a New yorker I will deny this statement to the grave but... gawd I love chicago deep dish :p
 
I've been to Chicago three or four times, New York only once (but I had more time to explore).

I like walkable cities with a lot going on - I seemed to be taking more cabs in Chicago to get around - so felt more comfortable in New York.

Really? I think Chicago is quite walkable, I've been walking it for over 18 years, no less walkable than Manhattan. Where were you?
 
Chicago all the way.
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Yes I am hungry and I shall go to Pizzeria Uno this weekend :D

Calling Pizzeria Uno authentic Chicago style pizza is like calling Taco Bell authentic Mexican food. There's a family owned restaurant near my parents' house that has the best Chicago style pizza I've found in St. Louis, but it still doesn't come close to Chicago style pizza I've had in Chicago.

In general I prefer thin crust but pizza is pizza.

You would like St. Louis style then:

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Neither.

I have visted both, and found them to be very interesting places, and someplace I will continue to visit in the future, but I would never want to live there. Both are frankly disgusting with rampant crime, political corruption, *******s aplenty, ect.

I'll take the back country of the Pacific Northwest, thank you. Living at the base of Mt. Hood just is all I can want from a home.
 
Really? I think Chicago is quite walkable, I've been walking it for over 18 years, no less walkable than Manhattan. Where were you?

I visited about 5 times back in the 90s. Spent about 3 months doing training (and teaching) my company's training campus out in St. Charles - travelling into town on a few weekends to take a look around.

I guess I found the centre of the town had less of a 'village-y' feel than Manhattan... more shops and restaurants in large buildings, or spaced out - while Manhattan has lots of things at street level (more European style).

I'm sure you could point to some neighbourhoods that would overturn that impression! Overall I loved the city though... just liked NY more! :)
 
I am really sad (and ashamed) to say I have never been to NYC or Chicago. :eek: I was all about the west coast (L.A. girl), with the exception of a prolonged stay in Florida. Now I live in London and all those "I'll see it eventually" promises seem further away. But I'll also prop up a little roof for London. Like any big city it has its pros and cons but on the whole I adore this city.


You're misinterpreting southern politeness.

You know how they say "**** you"? "Well, bless your heart". ;) Not joking. Ask Tomorrow.

:D It's like the perceived British politeness. In my experience, people aren't as likely to get right in your face and tell you what they think, so many can seem "so polite" but behind your back, you'd better beware. I've never encountered two-facedness like I have in Britain. So perceive that politeness with caution. ;)
(disclaimer - this is a generalization. Plenty of perfectly lovely straightforward brits, and I treasure them and that attitude.)
 
Calling Pizzeria Uno authentic Chicago style pizza is like calling Taco Bell authentic Mexican food. There's a family owned restaurant near my parents' house that has the best Chicago style pizza I've found in St. Louis, but it still doesn't come close to Chicago style pizza I've had in Chicago.



You would like St. Louis style then:

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I don't know man, I'm all for corporate bashing but this statement isn't entirely true. Uno's is pretty authentic, if anything at least in replication. Some people say Due is moreso but that's a long city-pride battle.
 
I am really sad (and ashamed) to say I have never been to NYC or Chicago. :eek: I was all about the west coast (L.A. girl), with the exception of a prolonged stay in Florida. Now I live in London and all those "I'll see it eventually" promises seem further away. But I'll also prop up a little roof for London. Like any big city it has its pros and cons but on the whole I adore this city.




:D It's like the perceived British politeness. In my experience, people aren't as likely to get right in your face and tell you what they think, so many can seem "so polite" but behind your back, you'd better beware. I've never encountered two-facedness like I have in Britain. So perceive that politeness with caution. ;)
(disclaimer - this is a generalization. Plenty of perfectly lovely straightforward brits, and I treasure them and that attitude.)

which is why I love NYC so much. I prefer to be called out when I'm being a donkey rather than pretentious backhanded disingenuous rebuttal :p
 
which is why I love NYC so much. I prefer to be called out when I'm being a donkey rather than pretentious backhanded disingenuous rebuttal :p

I enjoy a bit of snark sometimes but fundamentally I prefer straightforwardness over a smile through gritted teeth. I'm not an outright bitch by any means but I am the friend you go to if you really want the (sometimes) brutal truth.
 
I visited about 5 times back in the 90s. Spent about 3 months doing training (and teaching) my company's training campus out in St. Charles - travelling into town on a few weekends to take a look around.

I guess I found the centre of the town had less of a 'village-y' feel than Manhattan... more shops and restaurants in large buildings, or spaced out - while Manhattan has lots of things at street level (more European style).

I'm sure you could point to some neighbourhoods that would overturn that impression! Overall I loved the city though... just liked NY more! :)

Yes, Chicago and New York are very different in that regard. Manhattan is what people consider NYC when they visit, even though NYC is also Brooklyn, the Bronx, Queens, etc. Chicago is just the opposite. We Chicagoans shun downtown, as it's just a place to work- we let the tourists have it on the weekends. The neighborhoods are the real Chicago. No one who lives in the city would be caught dead downtown on a weekend. Wicker Park, Andersonville, Boystown, Bucktown, Pilsen, Uptown, Wrigleyville, etc all have that "villagey" feel you mention- everything at street level. You should come back and give it another chance. Sounds like you missed what it's really about.
 
Yes, Chicago and New York are very different in that regard. Manhattan is what people consider NYC when they visit, even though NYC is also Brooklyn, the Bronx, Queens, etc. Chicago is just the opposite. We Chicagoans shun downtown, as it's just a place to work- we let the tourists have it on the weekends. The neighborhoods are the real Chicago. No one who lives in the city would be caught dead downtown on a weekend. Wicker Park, Andersonville, Boystown, Bucktown, Pilsen, Uptown, Wrigleyville, etc all have that "villagey" feel you mention- everything at street level. You should come back and give it another chance. Sounds like you missed what it's really about.

I'd definately love to go back to Chicago for a longer visit - and I'm sure I'd find a lot to like.

For me though, the ultimate cities DO have a great downtown. I don't really correlate suburbs/neighbourhoods with city life - they're not different enough from small town life. Thats why my favourite cities are Asian ones - the high density and buzz in the centre is incredible.
 
I'd definately love to go back to Chicago for a longer visit - and I'm sure I'd find a lot to like.

For me though, the ultimate cities DO have a great downtown. I don't really correlate suburbs/neighbourhoods with city life - they're not different enough from small town life. Thats why my favourite cities are Asian ones - the high density and buzz in the centre is incredible.

I think you're missing what I'm saying. I'm not talking about suburbs, I'm talking neighborhoods, which are in the city and very lively and dense. I guess you'll have to come here to know what I mean. For example, Wicker Park is very much like SoHo or the East Village in NYC. Does that help?

Downtown Chicago (by downtown, I mean the Loop) is nice, but it's mainly tourists on the weekends.
 
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Umm, I hope your joking...

and I didn't understand that southern lingo...

No, I'm not joking. I've had that Chicago style with the cheese on bottom and the huge crust. I don't like it. I mean, even bad pizza is pretty good and I wouldn't turn it down for free, but I'm not going to buy one myself.

And that phrase is from O Brother, Where Art Thou, a most excellent movie. :)

That's no joke. "Bless his heart" is used when after explaining stuff the person can't get it. It's a way of saying only a divine power can make you understand because of how stupid you are.

Yep, that's it.
 
I've never been to New York, but I'm from Chicago. I've lived away from Chicago for 15 years and I still hope to move back. Its a world class city, but with a lower cost of living. The pizza, being a fan of Chicago sports teams, Lakeshore drive, the skyline, the Taste of Chicago, Portillo's, the White Palace. The people are nice but not too nice. I'm sure other people could come up with more they love about the city, but its a great city.
 
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