I suspect three reasons 1) broader geopolitical retaliation, 2) retaliation for Apple shifting production out of China, and 3) they’re getting frustrated that Apple keeps closing the bugs they exploit.
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No one was buying Huawei phones anyway. The US government did them a favor by saving them from embarrassment of having to withdraw from the market.
It is unfortunate Tim Cook lead Apple's PR to both the first two point. And Tim Cook also isn't withdrawing from Chinese manufacturing either. They are, for 90% of their Supply Chain, basically helping Chinese manufacturing moving from China to setting up a base in India or Vietnam.
They never did. Or only for single digit percentage of it. And they are still Chinese manufacturing companies even when they are outside China.
Mass Media reporting are not even worth reading.
“China is an important market for Apple, and the ban could push customers to purchase Chinese-made devices if they are unable to use their personal iPhones for much of the day.”
Sorry, where are the majority of iPhones made again? Might want to clean up the verbiage just a little there.
Sorry, where are the majority of iPhones made again? Might want to clean up the verbiage just a little there.
Frankly, I am more concerned over CCP-run farms buying up countless acres with crazy water rights to blow the precious resource on super water-intensive crops for export.
Apple: "Politics? What politics?"
Better than this?
Pretty sure no one is laughing.
People should understand that this in retaliation for the US' continued effort to undermine China's domestic chip manufacturing. The US already had export controls on EUV machines but the Chinese were able to figure out how to make 7nm using older DUV machines: https://www.reuters.com/technology/...igger-closer-us-scrutiny-analysts-2023-09-05/
And the US responded the way it usually does, by b*tching and complaining and forcing the Dutch to restrict even DUV sales: https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-dutch-set-hit-chinas-chipmakers-with-one-two-punch-2023-06-29/
China then responded with bans on iPhones and for good reason: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/08/29/china-biggest-iphone-market-q2-2023/
In the long run, the US will fail in it's attempt to stop Chinese progress, especially when the Chinese have already defeated US, which now has to rely on Taiwan: https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20230906PD212/huawei-mate-60-chips+components.html
And the US responded the way it usually does, by b*tching and complaining and forcing the Dutch to restrict even DUV sales: https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-dutch-set-hit-chinas-chipmakers-with-one-two-punch-2023-06-29/
China then responded with bans on iPhones and for good reason: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/08/29/china-biggest-iphone-market-q2-2023/
In the long run, the US will fail in it's attempt to stop Chinese progress, especially when the Chinese have already defeated US, which now has to rely on Taiwan: https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20230906PD212/huawei-mate-60-chips+components.html
Long time ago I saw a t-shirt with a print on a front: not my planet - not my problem.
Very interesting message right there.
There is a certain degree of comfort in knowing that those who a living on a remote islands are just as safe as those who thought that they were safe in a bunker 120 meters underground.
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HUGE W. Apple really doesn't need China. India, Vietnam, Brazil, and US Manufacturing has worked great for Apple, and Apple doesn't even compare in popularity to Xiaomi, ZTE, and Huawei in China.
Let the CCP use their garbage tech, it's so far behind it just gives us an advantage.
Let the CCP use their garbage tech, it's so far behind it just gives us an advantage.
not surprising in the slightest when the Average Chinese citizen is WAY too poor to afford even an iPhone SE. They are buying throw away's from Chinese companies since thats all they can afford.
That's what an oppressive government does to its population.
It was a great move. We had a valid reason to ban Huawei in the US. They were known spy devices and not just on government figures but on anyone that used them.
In contrast Apple devices aren't spy devices, and Apple regularly fights back against the US government on a bunch of stuff, something Huawei flat out can't do to the CCP.
The only things the US ban and Chinese ban have in common are that they are phones.
China's domestic chips aren't even close to what we have lol. Have you seen what they produce? Half of them are stolen designs and even then they still VASTLY underperform compared to anything the west has.
China absolutely WILL fail. It already has, thats why they still have the need to steal designs/tech. Chinese "progress" is a myth stirred by the CCP.
Yes the iPhone is secure... but... "Apple to secure those Chinese profits allows the Chinese access to any CN customer data and happy to see your ass in a labor camp for a few buck. Working with the Security State. That's Apple."
You don't understand how much progress SMIC has made, especially over the last 3 years. The lead chip designer that worked on 7nm and 5nm processes at TSMC now works at SMIC. He voluntarily left with a team of S. Korean and Taiwanese engineers. The ONLY reason why SMIC can't produce 5nm chips is because of export controls, not lack of knowledge of chip design.
"Stealing" engineers is a part of history. The entire US space program is built on Nazi rocket technology. And unlike the Nazi engineers that were coerced to work for the US, the Chinese have simply bought engineers. Can you think of anything more "capitalist?"
And now, the US is reduced to complaining because it cannot compete. I think it's only a matter of time that Intel throws in the towel and goes fabless like AMD. The US has already lost in chip fab as it relies on TSMC for advanced chips.
In the long-run, even the Europeans will move closer to China as SMIC becomes more powerful. ASML can't ignore the Chinese growth market. We're already seeing the beginning of a Sino-Euro partnership in EVs: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/23/u-s-and-europe-diverge-on-chinese-electric-cars-ee-00103186 and this will be the future for chips as well.
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Where do you get your information? Not a single evidence was ever provided that Huawei devices were spying. It's just a propaganda BS. The common theme here is that the two countries are becoming more and more adversarial (primarily because of US policies) and they do not want the competitor's tech in their countries. The real reason why US banned Huawei was because Huawei was becoming a dominant player in 5G (not just the phones but 5G infrastructure) and more and more telecom companies around the world (including US) started using Huawei hardware. US could not allow for this to continue.
What "we" have is manufactured in Taiwan on the equipment from Netherlands (ASML). And ASML would happily sell their equipment to China if it was not banned to do so by US government (let's remember that western Europe is still occupied by US).