China Refuses to Accept 'Theft' of TikTok if US Acquisition Goes Ahead

[damphoose]

Have you looked at Europe or Africa - 2000 BC to 1970?

Oh - and the Native americans were pretty violent against eachother before the slaughter by colonisation:
"Despite the myth that Aboriginals lived in happy harmony before the arrival of Europeans, war was central to the way of life of many First Nation cultures."

Warfare In Pre-Columbian North America - Canada.ca

The history of indigenous military activity, prior to the arrival of Europeans.

www.canada.ca

That’ a straw man. The myth is they lived in harmony will the land not each other. No one lived in harmony with each other at that time. Conquest and war were everyday life. Its only in recent times the idea that you can extract just as much wealth and power by keeping peace, began to flourish. Prior to that (wether it was reality or limited human thinking) that there were just interstitial periods of peace.

 

[damphoose]

You have know knowledge of the subject... You don’t even know how countries grow, develop and change... Not worth talking to someone who’s a hypocrite. You are ignorant of terrible things US has done in recent history too- like drone strikes killing children and torturing people. Stop attacking when you can’t even argue intelligent points of view

I would reread their post again. They are not being hypocritical at all. Perhaps I missed something put the post you quoted seems straight forward. They acknowledged your point and just said both points are not mutually exclusive.

 

[typicaluser]

Then let the Chinese Communist Party explain why the US should have ever passively accepted their ban on Twitter and Facebook within China. Long past time to complete the decoupling and reorient our supply chains towards India and elsewhere in Southeast Asia.

This is not case. China has its laws, which applies equally to all players in the mainland, for operation of these kind of companies. Even when google was retreating from Chinese market, it was not that it was "banned" but because it refused to comply with those laws (and this is totally understandable as obeying these laws has quite different impacts on interests of companies) and chose not to provide service in China as an act of will. For those who are willing to abide by these laws, they can stay, like Microsoft's Bing. I think this logic applies to all countries.

 

[quietstormSD]

As long as they don't take Mortal Combat away, I'm good.

 

[laz232]

That’ a straw man. The myth is they lived in harmony will the land not each other. No one lived in harmony with each other at that time. Conquest and war were everyday life. Its only in recent times the idea that you can extract just as much wealth and power by keeping peace, began to flourish. Prior to that (wether it was reality or limited human thinking) that there were just interstitial periods of peace.

You wrote: " Tell that to the Native Americans who were systematically murdered and stripped of their land"
With the implication that there was no murder (warfare) over land. Therefore my post is completely relevant to what you wrote, but to address things closer to the OP.

"Its only in recent times the idea that you can extract just as much wealth and power by keeping peace, began to flourish"
Warfare is resource intensive (human and material). Cyberwar - which is going on between the superpowers is a 'logical' optimisation of investment versus potential gain.

 

[damphoose]

You wrote: " Tell that to the Native Americans who were systematically murdered and stripped of their land"
With the implication that there was no murder (warfare) over land. Therefore my post is completely relevant to what you wrote, but to address things closer to the OP.

"Its only in recent times the idea that you can extract just as much wealth and power by keeping peace, began to flourish"
Warfare is resource intensive (human and material). Cyberwar - which is going on between the superpowers is a 'logical' optimisation of investment versus potential gain.

Reply fail. I did not write that. (everything after ”you wrote” to the end of the paragraph. Perhaps someone else in the thread did but certainly not me.

The second paragraph I did write. Which you should already know since its autoquoted by the forum software. As for what you said following the accurate quote...we agree on that. Can’t help you will the first part.

 

[patent10021]

They can. And operate without US. It is entirely up to them.

So then how is MS buying these guys when they don't want to be bought?

 

[ksec]

So then how is MS buying these guys when they don't want to be bought?

They surely dont, they want everything to be the same going forward so they can continue to make money. But now they cant they have two choice.

1. Fold it, leave the market and get absolutely nearly nothing from it. They can set up office in other places.

2. Sell it to those who can operate in US. And continue to operate in US. Which is at least worth tens of billions.

So would you rather get nothing from it or billions?

Questions people may ask

- Why do they not leave the US market then, they can still operate in Rest of the world etc...
US Social Media Ads are worth 3-10x more than any place else around the world, i.e in terms of Social Media Ad, the market == US. Without an US market, they are not worth anywhere near as much.

- They are still pointing guns and buying TikTok for way cheaper
The valuation of any startup is always hyped. You can issue 100 Billion shares, as long as you can get one person to buy it for $1, your startup are now officially worth $100B.

- Why buy it at billions then why you can gun point it for lower
TikTok, despite being a Chinese company, has many other investors including mostly VC from US. Below a certain point these VC money are lost. And you can be certain there are lots of interest to get back whatever is left from it.

 

[steve333]

China is a "developing country" at the WTO.

Which at this point is ridiculous

 

[aforty]

When the US starts dumping fill dirt and then building a military base in the middle of the ocean in an area that is disputed with several other countries and declaring it US territory with all the surrounding water and oil deposits then you have a case.

I guess you missed the part where the United States has built military bases all over the world in friendly and disputed lands alike, over 600 overseas in fact.

 

[canesalato]

I guess you missed the part where the United States has built military bases all over the world in friendly and disputed lands alike, over 600 overseas in fact.

I have one less than 1000 m from my house, in a remote island in the Pacific. We enjoy everyday polluted tap water that eventually will give us cancer. Tastes like freedom. =)

 

[Expos of 1969]

I have one less than 1000 m from my house, in a remote island in the Pacific. We enjoy everyday polluted tap water that eventually will give us cancer. Tastes like freedom. =)

No progress in closing down the base on Okinawa yet?

 

[canesalato]

No progress in closing down the base on Okinawa yet?

They are actually making a new one, pouring dirt and concrete over one the of the most beautiful coral reefs on the island.

 

[Expos of 1969]

They are actually making a new one, pouring dirt and concrete over one the of the most beautiful coral reefs on the island.

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Good lord. I don't want to get too off topic and have this thread closed but in brief, do the majority of people in "Japan proper" have any interest in what happens on Okinawa?

 

[canesalato]

Good lord. I don't want to get too off topic and have this thread closed but in brief, do the majority of people in "Japan proper" have any interest in what happens on Okinawa?

No, they do not. We are very far from Tokyo.