Tell that to the Native Americans who were systematically murdered and stripped of their land
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China Refuses to Accept 'Theft' of TikTok if US Acquisition Goes Ahead
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Tell that to the Native Americans who were systematically murdered and stripped of their land
Microsoft will do it too because it’ll keep their foot in the door with those sweet government contracts.
Ever heard of eminent domain? The deal is hardly fair. Just because you’re getting paid doesn’t mean it’s a fair deal.
Allowing MS to buy it is only going to fuel more of those Bill Gates conspiracies too....great....
well, there is a difference between theft and unfair. Eminent domain may be unfair, but it’s not theft.
I’m under no illusion that Microsoft is some heroic company. However, it’s very important that all social media isn’t controlled by Facebook. It’s preferable for competition to limit their influence as opposed to breaking them up as they’d resist that for years. They’ve got so many politicians in their pocket that they are almost another branch of government.
I believe in competition except in cases where foreign ownership comprises national security—and that concern is bipartisan. China itself has blocked Google and Facebook in favor of domestic entities they control so they are hardly in a position to criticize on this issue.
Theft...?
I wonder what China calls it when ya been stealing another country’s IP for decades ???
I wonder what China calls it when ya been stealing another country’s IP for decades ???
Exactly.
Let's see:
Chinese nationals steal Broadcom LTE filter tech
Huawei steals Cisco technology
Automotive clones in China
The list goes on and on and on...
Not selling but requiring the licensing a critical technology.
One of the reasons Intel wifi chips were not initially available in China is that they would have had to share IP with Chinese companies.
They may not force the sell, but often times require access that leads to theft of intellectual property.
It is not unusual for Donald Trump to say things or make claims that have no basis in the law. Just because he says so, doesn’t mean it is actually happening.
They could have just exited the market if they didn’t want to sell. No one was forced to sell. Just like American companies have chosen to partner with local chinese companies to gain access.
Uh, in some cases it is.
When eminent domain is used to grab private land to give or sell to other private companies that might develop it differently is theft.
Eminent domain is only not theft if the government develops and holds the land afterward.
Please, give me something in the last 50 years
Better yet, how about the perpetrators are still alive and can be tried for their crimes
Don't get me started about Tibet and Uyghiurs either!
When the US starts rounding up minorities, forcing them into reeducation camps and forced abortion/sterilizing them TODAY, then you have a case
I am not defending eminent domain because I don't like it (I understand that in some extreme circumstances it might be needed, but now municipalities use it to build convention centers or, worse, stadiums), but again I'd argue that it's not theft.
What happened to the native Americans was called war. Their land was taken by force. I don't know why every time someone does something people bring up "but the native Americans".... That's how wars work. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but rather irrelevant to the current situation and most situations where people bring it up lol
The USA is not forcing it to sell to a US company, they just don't want a Chinese owner... - they are free to leave the market: just as Apple does not have to sell its phones in China - but if they want to, then then have to comply to Chinese rules on banning VPN apps, Hong Kong Protest apps etc.
Make no mistake - this is tit-for-tat war that China fights as well - they have been acquiring key technologies in the EU and land in Africa...
NB these examples are from 2018 to avoid being part of the TikTok insanity....
If the U.S. Doesn’t Control Corporate Power, China Will
Laissez-faire economics has left firms bending the knee to Beijing.
foreignpolicy.com
Chinese state-backed companies have access to a massive legal budget, which affords them the ability to use U.S. courts to destroy American business leaders who challenge unfair deals. As a counterterrorism official pointed out in April, “When you go to a board of directors or a CEO and say, “Hey, I know you have two bids, you have Cisco or Oracle, and then you have the Chinese company which is 40 percent cheaper,’ it’s hard to explain to them and hard for them to explain to their constituents that they’re going to pay 40 percent more for a U.S.-based company because it doesn’t threaten national security.”
How China gets what it wants from American companies
China is vital for many top international brands, but doing business there often comes with a high entry fee.
money.cnn.com
In its latest annual survey, the American Chamber of Commerce in China found that almost half of its members feel foreign businesses are treated unfairly by the Chinese government compared with local ones.
They complain about regulations being inconsistently applied and continuing restrictions on their ability to invest across wide swathes of the economy.
Some recent Chinese deals have been blocked in the United States over national security concerns. But international business leaders have pointed out that Chinese companies are often able to carry out takeovers in Europe and North America in sectors that are off limits to foreign investors in China.
Chinese government officials have rejected accusations that foreign companies are treated unfairly and dismissed the findings of the US Trade Representative's report on intellectual property theft as "unfounded."
Beijing argues that any tech secrets that firms handed over in the country were part of deals that had been mutually agreed upon. And it insists that it is working to strengthen intellectual property protection in the country more broadly.
Eminent domain requires compensation - kind of different to theft. Now it may be argued that the compensation is inadequate, but it clearly is not the same as "theft"
Thus, requiring TikTok's sale is completely different to forced nationalisation.
Have you looked at Europe or Africa - 2000 BC to 1970?
Oh - and the Native americans were pretty violent against eachother before the slaughter by colonisation:
"Despite the myth that Aboriginals lived in happy harmony before the arrival of Europeans, war was central to the way of life of many First Nation cultures."
Warfare In Pre-Columbian North America - Canada.ca
The history of indigenous military activity, prior to the arrival of Europeans.
I'll give the US this... they have a lot of testing occurring now.
I don't directly blame the president for number of deaths, independent of the mind numbing comments made by him. The thing is that the US, Brazil, Mexico, UK, India lead in deaths. I'd argue along the lines of Bill Maher that it reads like an indicator of what nations have health problems. A good portion of that, obesity - a big factor in affecting covid death rates.
We're one of the fattest and sickest people on earth with the least amount of exercise who eat the worst food and then you wonder why it's hitting us so bad.
Even here in libby coastal califonia where mask wearing is almost a religion, when walking to the market, there are dozens of people with their masks on with their noses exposed which completely defeats the purpose. Unless you're like China where you can lock people up without their consent when diagnosed with covid, we're continue getting spread. Americans do not follow the herd mentality as well as Asian countries do where even in pre-COVID times numerous people are wearing masks and everyone who does has their noses covered!
You mean the CCP banning Twitter, Facebook and Google. I am not in favor of Trump's policies regarding this app, but it's a tit for tat against the CCP. However, the CCP acts like they are so innocent.
This is pure xenophobia on the part of the US government, and we are supposed to be better than this regardless of what China has done (stealing IP, banning Twitter).
I absolutely agree with that - Facebook buying them would be the worst outcome. They're already firing up the copy-paste machine to imitate its features in Instagram I believe (a move they previously used on Snapchat to eat into its audience).