China Refuses to Accept 'Theft' of TikTok if US Acquisition Goes Ahead

[PortoMavericks]

I’m not okay with this.

So, you’re ok with Facebook doing all that, but have issues with TikTok?

That’s not what I said.

In principle, I think Facebook is absolutely disgusting and I’ll never tolerate or embrace (like keep using their products) actions from companies illegally accessing personal data and worse, snooping your private conversations.

What I meant was, if Facebook is somehow doing it, others can as well. There’s a black market for iOS vulnerabilities so I understand where they came from with that argument.

 

[Ansath]

I’m not okay with this.




That’s not what I said.

In principle, I think Facebook is absolutely disgusting and I’ll never tolerate or embrace (like keep using their products) actions from companies illegally accessing personal data and worse, snooping your private conversations.

What I meant was, if Facebook is somehow doing it, others can as well. There’s a black market for iOS vulnerabilities so I understand where they came from with that argument.

there’s a lot of people that do seem fine with the Fact that Facebook and that can do it, but only outrage against China ‘possibly’ doing it via TikTok (considering there’s no evidence of it).

 

[PortoMavericks]

I'll give the US this... they have a lot of testing occurring now.

I don't directly blame the president for number of deaths, independent of the mind numbing comments made by him. The thing is that the US, Brazil, Mexico, UK, India lead in deaths. I'd argue along the lines of Bill Maher that it reads like an indicator of what nations have health problems. A good portion of that, obesity - a big factor in affecting covid death rates.

And China is definitely doing well, according to the Communist Party.

 

[monkey28rb]

Wow when I see Americans defending China on this issue I know that America is lost and done for.

Chinese People stick together.

I agree. China is not our friend. The same people defending China are the same idiots rioting in Portland.

 

[sidewinder3000]

Why on earth would our Treasury be entitled to a cut of this deal? Is this how Hamilton designed it to work? Someone with real insider knowledge please edify me, thanks.

 

[jive turkey]

Wow, the orange buffoon is really throwing his toys out of the pram over that Tulsa Rally.

It is always easy to spot people who don't think for themselves. It's just like how each day's buzzwords and talking points all end up in the mouths of every anchor on certain networks, as if they all thought of the exact same words and phrases spontaneously.

 

[steve333]

How on earth does China get to belong to the WTO while banning Google and Facebook?
Enough already, time to strike back at the Commies

 

[yaxomoxay]

How on earth does China get to belong to the WTO while banning Google and Facebook?
Enough already, time to strike back at the Commies

China is a "developing country" at the WTO.

 

[WordsmithMR]

I am not sure why China would make such a big deal... They literally force the US and other nations to adopt their own Chinese version of their apps. If I remember correctly, it just isn't tech companies... they force any company operating in their country to have a joint venture with a Chinese business. Whether it is textile, media, tech, etc.

 

[WordsmithMR]

Wow when I see Americans defending China on this issue I know that America is lost and done for.

Chinese People stick together.

To be fair, that has been the US's thing since forever. We have always been split on international affairs. China, Israel, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Germany, the South, Britain... It really dates back. At one point it seemed we all agreed on two things... ISIS bad. Nazis bad... but even that is debatable nowadays.

That is how the politicians keep us divided. Even those of us aware of the ploy of keeping us divided still have strong feelings embedded in us because we grew up with the divide being taught to us since grade school, if not younger.

 

[ruka.snow]

You mean the CCP banning Twitter, Facebook and Google. I am not in favor of Trump's policies regarding this app, but it's a tit for tat against the CCP. However, the CCP acts like they are so innocent.

Banning is very different than forcing a company to be sold to a hostile foreign nation. China did not force Twitter, Facebook and Google to sell themselves to Chinese companies. Banning Tiktok is a-ok for the US government, forcing that company to be sold is not. We ban some US imports here too, a lot of US produce is not up to the standards of the developed world so can't be sold here, especially not those dirty chickens.

 

[Seoras]

"Designed in California
Made in India"

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[wilhoitm]

OMG! 91 more days of this nonsense!

 

[Jyby]

Have you looked at Europe or Africa - 2000 BC to 1970?

Oh - and the Native americans were pretty violent against eachother before the slaughter by colonisation:
"Despite the myth that Aboriginals lived in happy harmony before the arrival of Europeans, war was central to the way of life of many First Nation cultures."

Warfare In Pre-Columbian North America - Canada.ca

The history of indigenous military activity, prior to the arrival of Europeans.

www.canada.ca

Are you justifying the slaughter of Native Americans? Doesn't make it ok to got into another country and slaughter people

 

[Jyby]

Please, give me something in the last 50 years
Better yet, how about the perpetrators are still alive and can be tried for their crimes
Don't get me started about Tibet and Uyghiurs either!
When the US starts rounding up minorities, forcing them into reeducation camps and forced abortion/sterilizing them TODAY, then you have a case

Are you saying the US is no longer responsible for slaughter of Native Americans?Doesnt matter how long again things were. China was slaughtered by Japan in WW2 80 years ago... I think you have a twisted world view buddy

 

[Jyby]

Not selling but requiring the licensing a critical technology.
One of the reasons Intel wifi chips were not initially available in China is that they would have had to share IP with Chinese companies.
They may not force the sell, but often times require access that leads to theft of intellectual property.

Yeah so it’s no different than what the US is doing. Same level of anti competitive behavior on both sides

 

[Jyby]

I believe in competition except in cases where foreign ownership comprises national security—and that concern is bipartisan. China itself has blocked Google and Facebook in favor of domestic entities they control so they are hardly in a position to criticize on this issue.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with China having access to videos of users on TikTok- the US has access to users of Facebook etc

 

[Tech198]

That image always seems a good attraction for my eyes

 

[magbarn]

Are you saying the US is no longer responsible for slaughter of Native Americans?Doesnt matter how long again things were. China was slaughtered by Japan in WW2 80 years ago... I think you have a twisted world view buddy

We can't do anything about something that happened 150 years ago. But we sure as hell can do something about what's happening RIGHT NOW. I'm not sure why you're being so obtuse. Every culture/country has wronged someone in the past. If we continue to try to "right" old wrongs, then the madness never ends. Right now what China is doing to Hong Kong is WRONG. What China is doing right now to Uyghur Muslims is WRONG and can be stopped.
Winnie the Pooh just has to give the order....

Your continued defense of what China is doing RIGHT NOW is very telling of your world view.

So what are proposing to do to the modern day Japanese because of what happened in Manchuria? Those soldiers who committed those atrocities are NOW DEAD. Maybe in your world view we should nuke them again? Sheesh....

 

[bwillwall]

I still dont understand why Vine was abandoned. TikTok is a result of vine. it was so popular and then it was like ehhh we're out. Even youtube videos are titled accordingly. "tiktoks that hit as hard as vines!"

Because Twitter is a f*cking joke of a company.

 

[jav6454]

Banning is very different than forcing a company to be sold to a hostile foreign nation. China did not force Twitter, Facebook and Google to sell themselves to Chinese companies. Banning Tiktok is a-ok for the US government, forcing that company to be sold is not. We ban some US imports here too, a lot of US produce is not up to the standards of the developed world so can't be sold here, especially not those dirty chickens.

Slap whatever argument you want. If TikTok wants access to the US Market, it has to be in US hands. Simple. Don't want to sell, no problem! Market TikTok elsewhere after being banned. I'm sure China would love to access the data FB has, or already does. Who know with the shady CCP.

 

[tn-xyz]

You talk of China as if it is one entity. You know in the EU we don't blame the entire USA for the actions of scammers and snake oil salesmen and we know know every one of the billion people in India is working in a call centre trying to defraud granny.

i did not say that. but if you seriously want to deny that china doesn’t make a lot of money by copying intellectual property and deny that it doesn’t contribute to its economical growth, then i’m at a loss for words, really.

 

[WordsmithMR]

Are you saying the US is no longer responsible for slaughter of Native Americans?Doesnt matter how long again things were. China was slaughtered by Japan in WW2 80 years ago... I think you have a twisted world view buddy

Yes. The US is responsible for that, and for its racist history... BUT guess what? That doesn't change that China is still doing said things. Two things can be true at the same time, and that won't diminish the issue at hand. Attempting to derail a topic with whataboutisms just shows your ignorance when defending an argument with no real knowledge on the subject.

 

[damphoose]

I just like the fact that the Chinese paper said “mortal combat”. I immediately heard the video game music. The 90s were awesome.

 

[Jyby]

Yes. The US is responsible for that, and for its racist history... BUT guess what? That doesn't change that China is still doing said things. Two things can be true at the same time, and that won't diminish the issue at hand. Attempting to derail a topic with whataboutisms just shows your ignorance when defending an argument with no real knowledge on the subject.

You have know knowledge of the subject... You don’t even know how countries grow, develop and change... Not worth talking to someone who’s a hypocrite. You are ignorant of terrible things US has done in recent history too- like drone strikes killing children and torturing people. Stop attacking when you can’t even argue intelligent points of view