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They said that about the RAZR too.

The pace of the mobile phone industry is brutal and what's cool today is passe tomorrow.

Yeah but the Razr wasn't a platform and didn't have the iphone OS and itunes behind. The iphone isn't going nowhere. Comparing the iphone to the razr is just laughable. Also going by how Apple has been executing for the past decade they, I would believe that the iphone will be successful for many years to come. People have been saying the iphone won't survive since it was first introduced but yet it's still here 3 years later, I guess in 2010 when it's still here, you will keep adding one more year.
 
You call me a apple hater. Some one who likes apple products but refuse to worship at the Church of Steve Jobs.

Btw I am not the only person who has pointed that out about *LTD* hell I think he himself as even admitted his is a huge fanboy of apple.

Someone made a statement with no real basis in fact and with erroneous information. I answered it. It's what people do around here.

If you can't hang with the debate, there are other places:

http://www.winsupersite.com/

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/
 
Yeah but the Razr wasn't a platform and didn't have the iphone OS and itunes behind. The iphone isn't going nowhere. Comparing the iphone to the razr is just laughable.

Actually it isn't. The mobile phone market is driven by fashion, not OS or method of upload.

Also going by how Apple has been executing for the past decade they, I would believe that the iphone will be successful for many years to come. People have been saying the iphone won't survive since it was first introduced but yet it's still here 3 years later, I guess in 2010 when it's still here, you will keep adding one more year.

Don't get me wrong - it'll still be here but it'll be niche unless Apple redesign it.
 
Actually it isn't. The mobile phone market is driven by fashion, not OS or method of upload.



Don't get me wrong - it'll still be here but it'll be niche unless Apple redesign it.

The current iphone is a niche, it has like 1 percent of the total worldwide phone market but yet it still has a following which isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
 
The current iphone is a niche, it has like 1 percent of the total worldwide phone market but yet it still has a following which isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

2.5%, if I'm not mistaken. Gone up a bit. ;)

Not sure if that's all mobiles or just smartphones.
 
2.5%, if I'm not mistaken. Gone up a bit. ;)

Not sure if that's all mobiles or just smartphones.

All mobiles.

My point exactly - it's cool at the moment. It may not always be so in which case it drops back to niche status.

However, I don't expect Apple to make the same calamitous mistakes they made with the personal computer industry. That experience should have made Jobs a wiser man.
 
All mobiles.

My point exactly - it's cool at the moment. It may not always be so in which case it drops back to niche status.

However, I don't expect Apple to make the same calamitous mistakes they made with the personal computer industry. That experience should have made Jobs a wiser man.

Calamitous mistake with the computer industry??? What?

Judging by Apple's success and command of mindshare, A closed, controlled platform is the best thing to ever have happened to Apple. If managed correctly, it's golden. Apple commands the Premium segment, half the computer using population is lusting after Macs, and Apple can afford to pick and choose its target market and make a killing. In a recession. With about the same cash on hand as Microsoft. And Apple's stock is moving from strength to strength.

While the rest of the industry is fighting over the bottom end, Apple puts out a great product, can command a high price, and people line up to pay. Apple sets the bar. No one, but no one, can differentiate themselves successfully in this industry like Apple.

"Calamitous"? No. More like "success story."
 
Calamitous mistake with the computer industry??? What?

Judging by Apple's success and command of mindshare, A closed, controlled platform is the best thing to ever have happened to Apple. If managed correctly, it's golden. Apple commands the Premium segment, half the computer using population is lusting after Macs, and Apple can afford to pick and choose its target market and make a killing. In a recession. With about the same cash on hand as Microsoft. And Apple's stock is moving from strength to strength.

While the rest of the industry is fighting over the bottom end, Apple puts out a great product, can command a high price, and people line up to pay. Apple sets the bar. No one, but no one, can differentiate themselves successfully in this industry like Apple.

"Calamitous"? No. More like "success story."

You can only agree with the truth, and what you just said IS the truth.
 
"Calamitous"? No. More like "success story."

Apparently you're too young to remember these days:

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Calamitous mistake with the computer industry??? What?

The one where they had the potential to control the home computer industry and spectacularly blew it.

Apple have made a decent recovery but they had the potential to have the market share Microsoft commands along with the hardware sales to match. That's pretty calamitous.
 
I still believe apple shoulders much of the blame for slow authorized iphone adoption in China.

they stuck with that ridiculous "profit sharing" business model and it retarded negotiations when what they needed to do was get into the market before gray market phones proliferated and knockoffs gathered steam.

They severely misjudged the marketplace and their ability to software lock devices and now everyone who wanted one simply imported an unlocked version or bought a knockoff.

Perhaps they will see better success with the simultaneous release of the next generation iPhone. For now, they can use the "crippled" explanation to save face if the eventual numbers aren't as positive as they hoped. they also could have tempered expectations than most of the fanatics here have as well so who knows.
 
Oh envy is a hard road. LOL

-as
Real Marriage - Have you talked about it with your straight friends, your straight colleagues and your straight relatives?

Yeah that really validates your point. People here talk about attitudes. This is whats wrong with the Mac enthusiast circle. It always has been and always will be. This elitist attitude gets you nowhere. In the end of the day no computer company can survive without the other.
 
Reason for Slow adoption - No iTunes for Linux

China has a large linux user base. There's no itunes for linux so...
 
claiming dominance in a market share that apple has themselves tried to create isn't exactly a victory. Until apple makes inroads with their hardware into business, they will continue to stay at the "mindshare"/market share they are. Which isn't a bad thing as they a profitable company. and i don't think anyone would spin an apple turd in the punchbowl into the second coming quite like LTD.

Calamitous mistake with the computer industry??? What?

Judging by Apple's success and command of mindshare, A closed, controlled platform is the best thing to ever have happened to Apple. If managed correctly, it's golden. Apple commands the Premium segment, half the computer using population is lusting after Macs, and Apple can afford to pick and choose its target market and make a killing. In a recession. With about the same cash on hand as Microsoft. And Apple's stock is moving from strength to strength.

While the rest of the industry is fighting over the bottom end, Apple puts out a great product, can command a high price, and people line up to pay. Apple sets the bar. No one, but no one, can differentiate themselves successfully in this industry like Apple.

"Calamitous"? No. More like "success story."
 
It's not a blame game. It's a lesson.

The operator can be blamed to a certain degree. But 5000 handsets sold tell us another tale. I can imagine, that a large proportion of this number have been sold to foreign professionals, or to their employers; so the actual reality is a disaster to Apple. There are more than 5000 people in China who could buy thousands of iPhones. They just don't.

The lesson is this:

In China, people are not exposed to western marketing. They cherish 'value' more. For the price of the iPhone, they can get so much more performance from other manufacturers. They look at the specifications of the iPhone and think - how come that the cheapest phones are not just better in terms of battery life, but they offer more features too - radio, video recording and decent voice clarity. So partly, at least, it must come down to the fact that the iPhone is not a very good phone. It is a good gadget, but as a phone, it is just appalling.

What distinguishes the iPhone in the west is the style factor and the App Store. Even in some countries in Europe, there is hardly anything that is usable in a native language. Without Wifi, really needed features, apps and proper network support, there goes the idea of the Chinese iPhone up in flames.

However, that is not the real worry for Apple.

Snow Leopard has tons of features that the Chinese could take advantage of - yet, they seek good performance for their money. In that sense, Apple sucks. Ironically, Apple cannot lower the price of its hardware in China without risking these cheaper products flooding western markets. So they have to keep the prices high. And watch other OSs increasing their market share on cheap third party hardware. Yes, Apple, eat your own soup! :mad:
 
The operator can be blamed to a certain degree. But 5000 handsets sold tell us another tale. I can imagine, that a large proportion of this number have been sold to foreign professionals, or to their employers; so the actual reality is a disaster to Apple. There are more than 5000 people in China who could buy thousands of iPhones. They just don't.

The lesson is this:

In China, people are not exposed to western marketing. They cherish 'value' more. For the price of the iPhone, they can get so much more performance from other manufacturers. They look at the specifications of the iPhone and think - how come that the cheapest phones are not just better in terms of battery life, but they offer more features too - radio, video recording and decent voice clarity. So partly, at least, it must come down to the fact that the iPhone is not a very good phone. It is a good gadget, but as a phone, it is just appalling.

What distinguishes the iPhone in the west is the style factor and the App Store. Even in some countries in Europe, there is hardly anything that is usable in a native language. Without Wifi, really needed features, apps and proper network support, there goes the idea of the Chinese iPhone up in flames.

However, that is not the real worry for Apple.

Snow Leopard has tons of features that the Chinese could take advantage of - yet, they seek good performance for their money. In that sense, Apple sucks. Ironically, Apple cannot lower the price of its hardware in China without risking these cheaper products flooding western markets. So they have to keep the prices high. And watch other OSs increasing their market share on cheap third party hardware. Yes, Apple, eat your own soup! :mad:

Is that why the Chinese are buying gray market iphones in droves?
 
Is that why the Chinese are buying gray market iphones in droves?

Gray market phones are cheaper and often jailbroken. But as we have no real indication of actual numbers there, we can only speculate.
 
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