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China has what, 1.4 billion people and only 5k have signed up for iPhone thus far? FAIL. Too much lead paint maybe?

What do you mean by that exactly? The US is the wealthiest country in the world, that's why they can pay for Apple's absurd prices. Yuppies will buy anything at any price point.

When Apple moves its products into other countries, they don't do that well, because money isn't as disposable. The Chinese are completely in the right for not paying for the iPhone.
 
How about at least one quarter of the world population?

far more than that. china dominates asia and has strong influence in the middle-east and africa. china is a world power in every way.

it's really hilarious to see all this ignorant anti-chinese remarks, it shows how little people know about the real world.
 
far more than that. china dominates asia and has strong influence in the middle-east and africa. china is a world power in every way.

it's really hilarious to see all this ignorant anti-chinese remarks, it shows how little people know about the real world.

+1
 
right because no blame can ever go to apple.

or rather the Chinese government for banning WiFi in favor of a chinese alternative proprietary technology, which would have forced all non-Chinese firms to partner with Chinese companies (many of which have ties to the Chinese military) for access to the proprietary WiFi's specifications.


China has since lifted the ban (it was a losing battle: there's already millions using hacked/unlocked phones on standard WiFi), and a Unicom spokesman says they hope to have Wifi in future generations of the iPhone.
 
I hope that you aren't going to be cutting and pasting this into dozens of other threads in the next few days....

Hey, facts are always tempting and they're readily available. I'll try to pull them out only in extreme cases. ;)
 
If sales were to remain steady, they would be able to sell 365.000 units in one year...

True, but considering that the Wi-Fi ban was lifted in May and the currently shipping units were already in production, it seems likely that Wi-Fi enabled iPhones will come to China "officially" well before the end of this 12 month window.

Considering that there are already about 2 million Wi-Fi capable iPhones in China, if China Unicom were to sell official Wi-Fi capable iPhones, it seems likely that this number could be met.

Also, note that the article you linked to only stated that China Unicom purchased 5 million iPhones. It also said that the phones would start selling in September. The credibility of this report is flawed. Regardless of whether or not the 5 million purchase number is true, China Unicom already paid for them. They will likely drop the price on these models when the Wi-Fi capable model officially becomes available.

One more thing about this entire thread. The report states 5,000 new iPhone users. It also says that it signed up 1 million 3G customers. Presumably, if people were waiting for this specific weekend to sign up, many of these new subscribers could likely be customers who bought their unlocked Wi-Fi enabled iPhones on the grey market.

Add that to the 2 million iPhones already in use from earlier this year, and there may be about 3 million iPhones in use in China. Unicom Chairman Chang Xiaobing also had this to say: "We are satisified with iPhone sales so far, and we aim to have an additional 1 million new 3G subscribers each month in the near future." Legitimate or grey market, iPhones are coming to China.

This, of course, is admittedly speculation and reading between the lines on my part. Still, it's no less speculation than a contrarian view which is based on a loose understanding of the facts.
 
far more than that. china dominates asia and has strong influence in the middle-east and africa. china is a world power in every way.

it's really hilarious to see all this ignorant anti-chinese remarks, it shows how little people know about the real world.

This is so true. I was in China this summer and I was blown away my how much is going on - Technology, infrastructure, city life, culture, tourism, business, and dare I say...capitalism!

Believe it people, China is a MAJOR power now.

....just not in the iPhone department....
 
This is so true. I was in China this summer and I was blown away my how much is going on - Technology, infrastructure, city life, culture, tourism, business, and dare I say...capitalism!

Believe it people, China is a MAJOR power now.

....just not in the iPhone department....

Their culture dates back thousands of years. And they have a rich technological history as well.
 
who cares about chinese people ?? seriously...

after all, they are the world champions of fakes and counterfeits

Not cool.



As an aside, I was in Shanghai this summer and even in 2009, my MacBook Pro and iPhone attracted an unexpected amount of public attention and fascination. It's as if the Apple brand (especially the computers) there is still perceived by mainland Chinese as an "exotic".
 
China Unicom iPhone App Store

Notice that you can buy the iPhones cheaper through Apple Hong Kong with wifi than you can from Unicom. Why would anybody buy from Unicom?

For those interested in what Unicom has in the way of built in and add on apps and ties to the Apple app store, check out these links.

The second link is particularly interesting (it's a translation, so you'll see some brutal English).

My take on this is that the Chinese have never had contract based purchases, so the initial set are buying grey market or through Apple Hong Kong (they ship anywhere in China) and signing up. Contracts start at $15 a month, wish I could get one. Wifi is not omnipresent in China and Unicom's 3G offering is blazing fast, so I'm not sure whether the lack of wifi in the initial set of iPhones is a factor.

http://iphonasia.com/?p=7828

http://translate.google.com/transla.../355/11024855.shtml&rurl=translate.google.com

http://store.apple.com/hk
 
of course it has. as pointed out above, asia, as well as pretty much the world outside the north america, has enjoyed large variety of nice phones well before iphone, and iphone just haven't been such a great success outside the us, especially in the emerging markets, russia, india and now china, the sales have been disappointing.

Is that why the black market iphones in China are so well, Apple was selling so much of the first iphone there. Yeah so much for them not liking the iphone.
 
no, the iphone isnt that great to begin with, obviously you people have jumped on the "Jesus phone" bandwagon and will never understand the iphone is 3 years behind in technology

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/why-the-iphone/

the iphone came out in 2007 and it didn't eve have 3G, WTF is that? UMTS has been out since 2001.

also it was more expensive than almost every phone out there at the time, even the HTC Universal with 3G video conferencing came out in 2005 and was free with an 18m contract at the time of the iphone ver1's release.

This guy got it right


https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8274558/

It isn't that great but yet it has the highest consumer satisfaction ratings, I would say the majority of consumers disagree with you.
 
Except that it is.

Satisfaction:

http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/article/iPhone_Satisfaction_Off_The_Charts/

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Orchant/?p=523

http://www.macworld.com/article/143209/2009/10/jdpower_iphone.html

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/10/iphone-tops-personal-business-satisfaction-rankings.ars

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/08/14/iphone-vs-pre-satisfaction-bakeoff/

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...one_3gs_has_99_percent_satisfaction_rate.html

Sales/marketshare:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/10/19results.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10245339-37.html

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/08/13/iphone-market-share-grew-375-in-q2/

Against RIM and Pre:

http://www.nytimes.com/external/rea...l-soon-overtake-rim-in-consumer-sm-98992.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/henr...te-apples-eating-everyone-elses-lunch-2009-10

http://scobleizer.com/2009/10/25/85000-reasons-why-apples-iphone-isnt-going-to-be-disrupted/

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22858/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/33549870/site/14081545

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?threadid=104222

Your link:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/why-the-iphone/

In July August the iPhone was #1 in Japan.

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/08/17/apples-iphone-3gs-is-no-1-in-japan/

http://mashable.com/2009/07/04/iphone-japan/

And this apparently blows away your half-hearted, out-of-date link:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/28/japanese_hate_for_iphone_all_a_big_mistake.html


You might want to check your denial at the door. Not only is the iPhone *still* a revolutionary product (in continuous development) that is in ridiculous demand, it's about to overtake RIM.

And all of this in not much more than two years. Completely changed the game.

China has always been an oddball market. Especially for iPods and Macs.

UPDATE:

Here's the latest:

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.p...ecord_high_takes_18_share_of_worldwide_smart/

Enjoy.
LOL talk about getting owned.
 
What do you mean by that exactly? The US is the wealthiest country in the world, that's why they can pay for Apple's absurd prices. Yuppies will buy anything at any price point.

When Apple moves its products into other countries, they don't do that well, because money isn't as disposable. The Chinese are completely in the right for not paying for the iPhone.

But they have been managing to pay for black market phones for years, so therefore they are paying.
 
When Apple moves its products into other countries, they don't do that well,

Not all, and not always. Which countries? Which products?

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/10/19results.html

Apple Reports Fourth Quarter Results

Most Profitable Quarter Ever; Record Mac and iPhone Sales

CUPERTINO, California—October 19, 2009—Apple® today announced financial results for its fiscal 2009 fourth quarter ended September 26, 2009. The Company posted revenue of $9.87 billion and a net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion, or $1.82 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $7.9 billion and net quarterly profit of $1.14 billion, or $1.26 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 36.6 percent, up from 34.7 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 46 percent of the quarter’s revenue.


http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._sales_rescue_apple_from_us_retail_slump.html

International sales rescue Apple from US retail slump

By Prince McLean
Published: 06:00 PM EST

Despite rough economic conditions in the US that are hitting the retail sector particularly hard, Apple released record shipments of iPods and claimed the second-highest quarter of Mac sales in the company's history, thanks to strong international growth, retail strength, new MacBooks, and diversification from Apple's core business . . .


Let's go back to 2007 . . .

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/07/25results.html

Apple Reports Third Quarter Results

Record June Quarter Revenue and Profit

Mac Sales Set New Record


CUPERTINO, California—July 25, 2007—Apple® today announced financial results for its fiscal 2007 third quarter ended June 30, 2007. The Company posted revenue of $5.41 billion and net quarterly profit of $818 million, or $.92 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $4.37 billion and net quarterly profit of $472 million, or $.54 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 36.9 percent, up from 30.3 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 40 percent of the quarter’s revenue.

And here:

http://mashable.com/2009/07/23/iphone-ipod-touch-international-rise/
 
LOL talk about getting owned.

How is listing 20 or so links without any context being "owned"?

It's more like "electronic intimidation" - it will take some time to follow each link, determine its strengths and weaknesses, and come up with a response.

Posting a long list of URLs is a bullying tactic, not a discussion. I don't follow naked links - if you can't tell me why I should click on a link - I don't. If you can't give me an analysis of how a link supports your position, I'm not going to do it for you.

At least quote a paragraph or sentence from each link that supports your argument.
 
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