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Plus the fact that all electricity comes from some form of gas or coal, making electricity more expensive coupled with the fact that the batteries have to be replaced every 6 years at a cost of $10,000 to $20,000. EVs make no sense if you study the facts.
"all electricity comes from some form of gas or coal" is not true. Plenty houses and server farms use solar panels, and 18% electricity comes from nuclear source in US, and 20% in EU.
 
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Sad but not surprising after Toyota beat them to market with the windshield design

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It's not like Apple couldn't have shipped a pretty good electric car with their resources and supply chain expertise.

The notion Apple can do anything is absurd. They have more than enough trouble dealing with what’s on their plate right now.
 
it does make what you said completely non-sense.
It does no such thing actually. Who sold what and in what amount is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand which is Xiomi's blatant and repeated intellectual property theft.
 
I think they thought of ways to increase their margins in a low margin industry and realized they are all unpopular and dystopian. Some manufacturer's are testing the waters with these; but one at a time. I think Apple thought of unnecessary tiers and subscription models.
Example:
Subscription for heated seats.
Paying fees for "boosts".
Rent to own, then eventually never owning.
 
It does no such thing actually. Who sold what and in what amount is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand which is Xiomi's blatant and repeated intellectual property theft.
That's because iPhone came out first so the follower can copy, but now you are suggesting a reverse order that a market leader of EV copies from a non-existing product.
 
Every creative artist is different. The issue is less about Ive specifically and more about replacing him with someone with no design background at all.
Taking the position that Cook replaced Ive, as in Tim Cook is doing the job that Jony Ive was doing, is extremely strange to me, and presents enough of a disconnect here that I'm pretty sure this conversation cannot continue.
 
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Taking the position that Cook replaced Ive, as in Tim Cook is doing the job that Jony Ive was doing, is extremely strange to me, and presents enough of a disconnect here that I'm pretty sure this conversation cannot continue.

I didn’t say that. I said that Cook replaced Ive with an operations manager. Namely Jeff Williams. Apple’s COO.
 
Taking the position that Cook replaced Ive, as in Tim Cook is doing the job that Jony Ive was doing, is extremely strange to me, and presents enough of a disconnect here that I'm pretty sure this conversation cannot continue.
Ive's design went in a wrong direction in my opinion that sacrifice too functions just for thinner and simple appearance.
 

That doesn't change the reality with EVs. They are useless in very hot and very cold areas.
They pollute much more than regular cars. They are fire hazards. They are not sustainable, etc.
Fortunately, everyone is aware of the battery fire issue and are redesigning their battery packs to be way less fire-prone. And newer battery packs are less prone to temperature extreme issues.
 
I didn’t say that. I said that Cook replaced Ive with an operations manager. Namely Jeff Williams. Apple’s COO.
You know what, thank you for clarifying. In that case I think the supposition that Jeff Williams is doing anything more than what Cook would do if the design VPs reported directly to him is equally baffling. If you want to blame someone for Apple's industrial design post Ive, blame Evans Hankey, who seems like he might actually have his hands in the design pie. Personally I've got nothing but thanks for the guy, and I don't think there's much more to add.
 
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So you're saying that gasoline has never caught fire? That's news to me!

But I heard that some very poorly educated people looked at an electric car, and concluded that it's the only kind of car that consumes resources and energy to manufacture. Pretty sure that a first grade education can clear up that level of ignorance.

Let me help you catch a clue: There's this "thing" called "the oil industry." They will lose billions of dollars if electric cars take off, so they pay people to publish fake scientific-looking web pages and YouTube videos filled with ridiculous comments, like, "It's impossible for a home to power a consumer device which consumes 32 Amps of electricity (unless it's an air conditioner or a hot tub or an electric oven or an electric clothes dryer)."
Interestingly, the big oil companies are starting to invest in major strategic mineral mining projects for EV batteries. I wouldn't be surprised when they start extracting lithium out of the Salton Sea the company doing it will be a Chevron or Exxon subsidiary.
 
Electric Vehicle is the future. It’s the reason why new companies can enter the market now. I’ve been a car fanatic for decades — I’ve rebuilt engines and done all the other standard car repair stuff — and I‘m certain that EV is the future. I had a plug-in hybrid and, wow, plugging in at home is way better than going to the gas station. You really won’t miss going to the gas station, that’s for sure. And I think the “infrastructure” issues will sort themselves out. I rented a Tesla in Florida, drove it to a Target, and it charged from 20 to 80 percent in 20 minutes. It takes a long time to charge from 80 to 100 percent, but they charge up to 80 percent very fast. It’s not the problem you think, and the tech will only get better, like faster charging, cars being able to charge other cars, affordable batteries that can charge a stranded car, stuff like that.
Uh… I think you replied to the wrong post. I was just making light of the diction used. I don’t care about the future of EV.
 
Shocked by the fact that a product that might or might not have been in the works may or may not be cancelled

I’m at a loss of words
 
Swapping batteries at a service station when they run down would be a better solution.
Tesla had that at the beginning, the issue was giving people good batteries or bad old used batteries. If your car has a brand new $15K battery with 99% capacity then you go on a road trip and it gets swapped with an old one with only 80% battery on your first road trip you'd be pretty pissed. But there are some pretty cool videos of the first Teslas doing 3-4 battery swaps in the time it took a regular car to fill up with gas.
 
This would mean a huge manufacturing opportunity loss for China - car and its ancillary industries. Probably a few billion dollars of opportunity vanished. Naturally China would be shocked.
 
The base line cost to upgrade to a 200 Amp Panel, required for an EV home charging station, includes a line pull from the pole to the home upgrade and that'll set you back, on average, between $10k-$15k on top of the price of the EV.

Most EVs are already cost prohibitive. The panel upgrade is a DOA for most American homes until the Govt steps in and helps regulate that cost.
You only need 42 Amps to charge an EV and almost all houses should be able to support that overnight, adding new 42 Amp circuit would cost at most $2000 (Less then the amount spent on gas in a year, and could be tax deductible depending on state.), I did mine myself and and it only cost $500, and that was mostly just the copper cable.
 
And what was Apple really going to bring to the table? Looking at their other product lines, it's clear that the Apple "secret sauce" isn't nearly the differentiator it was in the past. Other companies have largely caught up with Apple. Android phones
andriod phones mean 100 of phones and they vary greatly but . iphone cant compete with the top of the line android phone like pixel phone which has 50times as much AI as iphone does . and also Pixel camera is just too good and never beatable . appl does beat the low end android phones tho
 
Grand plan, but apartment, condo and town home people are more or less factored out of the home charging equation. I realize some may have shared charging ports, but that will never work out one more than a dozen people get it in your condo or apartment complex. Most apartment, condo and townhomes only have a few extra parking spots available for guests. You can't take those.
Apartment and condo land lords are going to have to start installing chargers to be competitive, I know that its not feasible right now, and if you currently live in one of those places, its probably just not the right time to upgrade to an EV, that kind of sucks if you really want an EV. But, if your only goal is to get an EV to "save the environment" then holding off on getting one, to alleviate the strain on the charging infrastructure, to show the hardcore gas enthusiasts, that a EVs work for roads trip because people only use those on long trips and they aren't always crowded, then that would be better for the environment.
 
I'm disappointed too. I don't really understand why the car has to be autonomous in order for Apple to make it. Another American EV from a company with a CEO who isn't a lunatic jerk would be very welcome.
Apple tend to enter markets where they can make a meaningful change to the UX of the device in a way that will make them the leader in a category with high margins. Without self-driving or some other emergent tech, it would most likely become a nice looking car with CarPlay, which probably doesn't really align with what they want to do.
 
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Huawei = Designed and fabbed own 5G modem + EV
Apple = No modem or EV

I'd be shocked too.
 
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The problem with EVs in general are the batteries, the charge time and the charging infrastructure. We need much better battery tech where cars can go 500+ miles on an 80% charge, charge from almost empty to 80% in 10 mins and WAYYYYYYY more charging infrastructure. For now, EVs are good for large cities, that's really about it IMO.

I disagree. I've taken my Model 3 RWD on quite a few family road trips, and even though it's the standard range variant rated for only 272 miles, it barely slows us down at all compared to our ICE vehicle. The trick is to charge while you're doing other things that you were going to do anyway, even in an ICE vehicle, like taking bathroom breaks and eating meals. My family of four with two young kids can't usually go more than a couple hours without taking a bathroom break. It takes them 15 minutes to get out of the car, walk in to a store, use the bathroom, pick out and buy a snack or drink, and get back to the car and get buckled, and the car can charge from 10-60% in that time. And when we stop for a meal, it takes 25-30 minutes, so I can charge up to 80-90%.

I guess if you live in an extremely cold climate or you're one of those people that drives for 5+ hours without stopping to use the restroom, then yeah, an EV is going to slow you down a little, but even for that person, how often are they driving further than a couple hundred miles in a day? The answer for most people is only a few times per year. If you have a home charger, then you actually save time the other 360 days of the year by not having to stop at gas stations to fill up.
 
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