Chinese Court Overturns iPhone 6 Patent Ruling in Apple's Favor

[Radon87000]

But that doesn't mean they engaged in bribery. All it means is that you asked the question how is business done in china, and it doesn't follow Apple engaged in illegal behavior.

same here 2 gig imo.


Right, so unless you can prove it, you can't say they did it. One does not follow the other.

You still fail to comprehend that it's not easy to prove these deals. If it was so easy bribery wouldn't run rampant in many parts of the world. However that doesn't mean it's not happening. It is but it's happening undetected.

And to copy my reply

Although one Apple executive did narrowly escape jail time in Ireland so they have had close shaves before.

And this isn't really surprising that corporations do it all the time. Look at Samsung for instance.CEO arrested for bribery. What makes you think Apple is any different

 

[I7guy]

You still fail to comprehend that it's not easy to prove these deals. If it was so easy bribery wouldn't run rampant in many parts of the world. However that doesn't mean it's not happening. It is but it's happening undetected.

And to copy my reply

And you fail to understand that whatever you claim to know about "these deals" you specifically don't know about this story.

Whether they did it or not is not relevant, you can't prove they did. Only repeat some other hyperbole similar to the crippling the 2 gig in the chipset.

 

[Radon87000]

And you fail to understand that whatever you claim to know about "these deals" you specifically don't know about this story.

Whether they did it or not is not relevant, you can't prove they did. Only repeat some other hyperbole similar to the crippling the 2 gig in the chipset.

Talking about all this proof angle, so Samsung CEO did not engage in bribery?

 

[5105973]

Hahaha, Apple Dumpling, I at that one.

Apple is not doing anything different than any other company outsourcing manufacturing in China. What is the point of manufacturer for some the the products for the US biggest retailers such as walmart or target. Globalization hurts the US economy and the blame for that is squarely on the government (but that's for another thread) and that is not Apples fault.

AS for the r&d investment, apple wasn't the first, nor will they be the last.

They are indeed not doing anything different than any other company outsourcing manufacturing in China. That's my problem with them! There is no "think different" with Apple anymore.

There's "legal and illegal", and there's "right and wrong". They're not always equivalent. There's just something about the whole "thing" of Tim fighting so hard to get that foothold in China that feels "wrong". (Not just Tim...our liberal entertainment industry is twisting itself into pretzels to be simpatico and appealing to theirs.) It's not something I can articulate with my usual dedication to logic and reason. It's one of those gut feelings. An instinct that screams "I've got a bad feeling about this."

Because their system of government clashes with every ideal we shed blood and sacrifice to defend. More and more I notice our government and our people's way of thinking is starting to look more and more like theirs. We compromise our national identity and preferences and sacrifice our workers all for the sake of doing the global tango with a behemoth like China.

When you read of how they're buying up pieces of our entertainment industry and western cinemas, with the thought of influencing us to their way of thinking, which basically promotes acquiescence to an efficient surveillance state and thought police, I'd really rather my once favorite company get in the old business bed with almost any other country.

So, it is kind of appalling to watch the lengths and depths Tim (and our other companies) will go to play nice with a country that wants to destroy us in essence, in spirit, if not literally. And notice whether it's in the field of entertainment or smartphones, so far we're not getting much for all of our concessions. Not as much as we'd get dealing with another free market behemoth, anyway. China carefully doles out the "rewards" in as piecemeal manner as they can get away with.

 

[I7guy]

Talking about all this proof angle, so Samsung CEO did not engage in bribery?

What does that deflection have to do with this story. Or applying some fallacious logic by equating Apple CEO behavior to Samsung CEO behavior. Let me save you the trouble of answering, yes is the answer.
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They are indeed not doing anything different than any other company outsourcing manufacturing in China. That's my problem with them! There is no "think different" with Apple anymore.

There's "legal and illegal", and there's "right and wrong". They're not always equivalent. There's just something about the whole "thing" of Tim fighting so hard to get that foothold in China that feels "wrong". (Not just Tim...our liberal entertainment industry is twisting itself into pretzels to be simpatico and appealing to theirs.) It's not something I can articulate with my usual dedication to logic and reason. It's one of those gut feelings. An instinct that screams "I've got a bad feeling about this."

Because their system of government clashes with every ideal we shed blood and sacrifice to defend. More and more I notice our government and our people's way of thinking is starting to look more and more like theirs. We compromise our national identity and preferences and sacrifice our workers all for the sake of doing the global tango with a behemoth like China.

When you read of how they're buying up pieces of our entertainment industry and western cinemas, with the thought of influencing us to their way of thinking, which basically promotes acquiescence to an efficient surveillance state and thought police, I'd really rather my once favorite company get in the old business bed with almost any other country.

So, it is kind of appalling to watch the lengths and depths Tim (and our other companies) will go to play nice with a country that wants to destroy us in essence, in spirit, if not literally. And notice whether it's in the field of entertainment or smartphones, so far we're not getting much for all of our concessions. Not as much as we'd get dealing with another free market behemoth, anyway. China carefully doles out the "rewards" in as piecemeal manner as they can get away with.

I have no issues with Apple wanting to get the best return for it's shareholders by outsourcing off-shore manufacturing. The government has been making it more difficult as the years went by to manufacture in this country, now that a lot of manufacturing is indeed outsourced, the government has it's wish and turned the US into a service economy. So no throwing stones at Tim for this. Apple is an american design company, based in CA and pay American tax where appropriate and foreign tax as legally required. That they manufacture in China could be changed if Apple received appropriate tax credits.

As far as letting foreign investors buy out pieces of America, that is a completely different topic than outsourcing manufacturing. But I think those are two items the current administration should address: 1) bring manufacturing back on-shore 2) limit ownership of america by foreign entities.

But all of this is secondary to guilty as charged from the Internet for bribing their way to the top. (If you want to consider the $500m as a legal bribe, well yes it is)

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

They are indeed not doing anything different than any other company outsourcing manufacturing in China. That's my problem with them! There is no "think different" with Apple anymore.

There's "legal and illegal", and there's "right and wrong". They're not always equivalent. There's just something about the whole "thing" of Tim fighting so hard to get that foothold in China that feels "wrong". (Not just Tim...our liberal entertainment industry is twisting itself into pretzels to be simpatico and appealing to theirs.) It's not something I can articulate with my usual dedication to logic and reason. It's one of those gut feelings. An instinct that screams "I've got a bad feeling about this."

Because their system of government clashes with every ideal we shed blood and sacrifice to defend. More and more I notice our government and our people's way of thinking is starting to look more and more like theirs. We compromise our national identity and preferences and sacrifice our workers all for the sake of doing the global tango with a behemoth like China.

When you read of how they're buying up pieces of our entertainment industry and western cinemas, with the thought of influencing us to their way of thinking, which basically promotes acquiescence to an efficient surveillance state and thought police, I'd really rather my once favorite company get in the old business bed with almost any other country.

So, it is kind of appalling to watch the lengths and depths Tim (and our other companies) will go to play nice with a country that wants to destroy us in essence, in spirit, if not literally. And notice whether it's in the field of entertainment or smartphones, so far we're not getting much for all of our concessions. Not as much as we'd get dealing with another free market behemoth, anyway. China carefully doles out the "rewards" in as piecemeal manner as they can get away with.

Glad you said this and keep in mind that china has agents on this forum and many others.

 

[5105973]

What does that deflection have to do with this story. Or applying some fallacious logic by equating Apple CEO behavior to Samsung CEO behavior. Let me save you the trouble of answering, yes is the answer.
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I have no issues with Apple wanting to get the best return for it's shareholders by outsourcing off-shore manufacturing. The government has been making it more difficult as the years went by to manufacture in this country, now that a lot of manufacturing is indeed outsourced, the government has it's wish and turned the US into a service economy. So no throwing stones at Tim for this. Apple is an american design company, based in CA and pay American tax where appropriate and foreign tax as legally required. That they manufacture in China could be changed if Apple received appropriate tax credits.

As far as letting foreign investors buy out pieces of America, that is a completely different topic than outsourcing manufacturing. But I think those are two items the current administration should address: 1) bring manufacturing back on-shore 2) limit ownership of america by foreign entities.

But all of this is secondary to guilty as charged from the Internet for bribing their way to the top. (If you want to consider the $500m as a legal bribe, well yes it is)

No, bribery to me is a very specific act to get a very defined result. I don't accuse Tim of bribery. That's small potatoes. $500 million, verbal affirmations to a country that oppresses what he is and the $1 billion to Didi is Tim throwing Apple's lot into China in a much bigger way. He's gambling on getting a real presence there beyond the existing ties to Apple's manufacturing partners and prying that market open. He aims to assimilate Apple into that in order to do so. He gone further than Google, even.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011302908.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/02/why-google-and-china-are-in-a-war-over-the-internet.html

Apple pays enormous lip service and fights our own government tooth and nail for privacy and security but shows an entirely different face to the Chinese people.

 

[I7guy]

No, bribery to me is a very specific act to get a very defined result. I don't accuse Tim of bribery. That's small potatoes. $500 million, verbal affirmations to a country that oppresses what he is and the $1 billion to Didi is Tim throwing Apple's lot into China in a much bigger way. He's gambling on getting a real presence there beyond the existing ties to Apple's manufacturing partners and prying that market open. He aims to assimilate Apple into that in order to do so. He gone further than Google, even.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011302908.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/02/why-google-and-china-are-in-a-war-over-the-internet.html

Apple pays enormous lip service and fights our own government tooth and nail for privacy and security but shows an entirely different face to the Chinese people.

The being in bed with our enemies starts with our own government and the ties to Saudi Arabia the Bush Administration has as an example. I guess the old adage: "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" applies here. And apple should fight the government on home turf.

I also have no issues with american corporations doing some kow-towing to foreign countries to win additional business as long as it's legal and doesn't wind it's way back here.

It's an unfortunate state of the world, but China is feeding our economy at this point in time and we have to be able to do business with them in a way that benefits both countries.

 

[superikonta]

A Beijing court has overturned a 2016 ruling that Apple's iPhone 6 violated a Chinese manufacturer's patent, which saw intellectual property regulators attempt to bar sale of the phone in the country (via South China Morning Post).

Last June we reported that ailing company Shenzhen Baili filed a lawsuit against Apple claiming that the iPhone 6 violated the patent of its 100c smartphone. Shortly after the lawsuit was filed, the Beijing Intellectual Property Office ruled that the iPhone did infringe on Shenzhen's patent rights, accusing Apple of having "copied" the exterior design of the 100c phone.

The Cupertino company was ordered to halt sales in Beijing completely, but an appeal at a regional patent tribunal was granted that allowed both the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus to remain on sale. Today's news finally appears to have put an end to the legal dispute.
The Beijing court ruled that the features of the iPhone 6 "completely change[d] the effect of the entire product" and made both phones "easily distinguishable in the eyes of consumers".

The decision is likely to be another nail in the coffin for Baili, which was reported to "barely exist" even at the time of its original victory in the intellectual property office. The company, along with its parent Digione, is no longer a competitor in the Chinese smartphone market and has since collapsed, blighted by mismanagement and public criticism of its products, which were seen as poor quality.

Apple's lawyers will be relieved with today's ruling, given that Apple has been on the losing side of Chinese intellectual property lawsuits in the past. In May 2016, an "iPhone" branded leather goods maker won a lawsuit filed by Apple, after the court ruled Xintong Tiandi had registered the word as a trademark in 2007, while Apple's phones didn't go on sale in China until 2009.

Article Link: Chinese Court Overturns iPhone 6 Patent Ruling in Apple's Favor

[doublepost=1490550610][/doublepost]Great that China does not have America's design patent laws. Otherwise the decision would have been different ( see round corners ).

 

[Septembersrain]

I kinda figured that would happen. The devices don't really look alike and that failing company was looking at Apple as a potential windfall.

 

[5105973]

The being in bed with our enemies starts with our own government and the ties to Saudi Arabia the Bush Administration has as an example. I guess the old adage: "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" applies here. And apple should fight the government on home turf.

I also have no issues with american corporations doing some kow-towing to foreign countries to win additional business as long as it's legal and doesn't wind it's way back here.

It's an unfortunate state of the world, but China is feeding our economy at this point in time and we have to be able to do business with them in a way that benefits both countries.

Our own government has gone pretty dark. So much of it doesn't answer to the will of the people and is structured so it can operate fine without having to. That's a problem. We've come a long way from what our founding fathers were hoping to build for us. President Eisenhower was very prescient.

 

[jimbobb24]

They were just waiting for the correct bribes and Tim Cook to say the right things in public.

 

[jamesnajera]

Wow, and all Apple had to do was open up R&D Centers in china to get this ruling overturned. Because when you are secretive like Apple you definitely want to do R&D in China.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14960534/apple-research-centers-china-shanghai-suzhou

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/17/apple-china-two-more-research-centers-as-challenges-continue.html

 

[Kabeyun]

We've come a long way from what our founding fathers were hoping to build for us. President Eisenhower was very prescient.

I think you're referring to his farewell address warning about the rise of the military industrial complex, but this can certainly be generalized to corporations' power as a whole (which the SCOTUS has (in Citizens United) and unquestionably will (with Gorsuch as #9) help grow).

Btw, Ike also overthrew a democratically elected Iranian leader over oil, was too passive with McCarthyism, and elevated Nixon to VP, so he was also "actively prescient" with Middle East terrorist blowback, paranoid jingoism, and illegal domestic spying, all pretty relevant today.

 

[Radon87000]

What does that deflection have to do with this story. Or applying some fallacious logic by equating Apple CEO behavior to Samsung CEO behavior. Let me save you the trouble of answering, yes is the answer.
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I have no issues with Apple wanting to get the best return for it's shareholders by outsourcing off-shore manufacturing. The government has been making it more difficult as the years went by to manufacture in this country, now that a lot of manufacturing is indeed outsourced, the government has it's wish and turned the US into a service economy. So no throwing stones at Tim for this. Apple is an american design company, based in CA and pay American tax where appropriate and foreign tax as legally required. That they manufacture in China could be changed if Apple received appropriate tax credits.

As far as letting foreign investors buy out pieces of America, that is a completely different topic than outsourcing manufacturing. But I think those are two items the current administration should address: 1) bring manufacturing back on-shore 2) limit ownership of america by foreign entities.

But all of this is secondary to guilty as charged from the Internet for bribing their way to the top. (If you want to consider the $500m as a legal bribe, well yes it is)

It can't be proved even though everyone knows he did it. Similarly if Apple engages in bribery the parties involve will have done their due diligence in wiping away any trail which remained

 

[I7guy]

It can't be proved even though everyone knows he did it. Similarly if Apple engages in bribery the parties involve will have done their due diligence in wiping away any trail which remained

Right, so that's the end. If it can't be proved, it can't be proved. So it seems they are guilty in *your* mind, no problem there your opinion is for you, but are on a roll in China.

 

[Radon87000]

Right, so that's the end. If it can't be proved, it can't be proved. So it seems they are guilty in *your* mind, no problem there your opinion is for you, but are on a roll in China.

I said in my first post on this thread that it can't be proved.

You can think whatever you want. Everyone knows what really happened. And Apple has shown they are not above doing this as their executive narrowly escaped jail in Ireland

And isn't their share in China nosediving?

 

[I7guy]

I said in my first post on this thread that it can't be proved.

You can think whatever you want. Everyone knows what really happened. And Apple has shown they are not above doing this as their executive narrowly escaped jail in Ireland

And isn't their share in China nosediving?

We each think what we want, but what is wrong is saying Apple committed some act based on what? Nothing.

What does Ireland and China nosediving have in common? Deflections.

 

[Radon87000]

We each think what we want, but what is wrong is saying Apple committed some act based on what? Nothing.

Based on China's track record

What does Ireland and China nosediving have in common? Deflections.

One has an Apple executive narrowly escaping jail time, the other has hints of it being a bought out decsiion

 

[zohaali146]

Bribing works

That was my first thought too .. but we don't know for sure

 

[thasan]

The Chinese should get back to what they're good at...counterfeiting American-branded products.

And Facebook and other messengers copying wechat functions...

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

And Facebook and other messengers copying wechat functions...

Where did they get the tech?!

 

[Radon87000]

That was my first thought too .. but we don't know for sure

Anyone whom I told the news said the same thing. It's so obvious lol

 

[I7guy]

Based on China's track record

So basically no evidence except a murky statement.

One has an Apple executive narrowly escaping jail time, the other has hints of it being a bought out decsiion

So basically found there was no evidence of wrongdoing. So really nothing concrete except some feelings.

I hope you never get charged with a crime with your jury being MR forum posters. You'd be convicted in a New York minute.

 

[thasan]

Where did they get the tech?!

tech? what tech tencent "copied"? from whom?