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No- I didn't say it was acceptable. I said, unless you've been in the situation, don't be so quick to judge. I tried to illustrate that with a situation I was in. Was it right? Maybe not. But I certainly am not going to think I'm an a**hole for doing it. At the time, it's what happened. I lost it, and if you'd been there, I bet you would have too.

How do you guys know what the relationship is between these two guys? For all you know, they went out and had beers later. I know I did with the cameraman I called a retard (and it was a lot longer than 5 minutes that I went off that night). If you guys want to turn this into a big deal because it makes you feel superior, that's your business. But honestly, I don't think it is. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Would another person working on the film been able to have a similar rant without getting fired? I doubt it. If anyone else except one the "stars" had blown up they'd be out--and I've worked on movie sets too.

Maybe they did go out for a drink but that's irrelevant. The fact is that on a set, people are treated very differently than others. Those on a lower payscale are expected to routinely accept abuse. If you dare talk back you're fired because the actor is more important than you. I think that's the point here.
 
Maybe they did go out for a drink but that's irrelevant. The fact is that on a set, people are treated very differently than others. Those on a lower payscale are expected to routinely accept abuse. If you dare talk back you're fired because the actor is more important than you. I think that's the point here.

That's every job.

You thing they'd fire Steven Hawking for going off on a grad student? Reverse the roles, what would happen to a student who told off Hawking?

The star is an extremely important role for a movie and can make/break the film. There's also a tipping point not too far into production where replacing any of the main roles becomes unfeasible in all but the most exceptional circumstances due to time and monetary constraints. Replacing a set/prop/lighting, anyone not on screen is much easier.

Every profession is tiered and those at the top will be able to get away with more. If I tell off my boss, I'd get fired... If he tells me off, he might get a slap on the wrist, if he can't come up with a good enough excuse for it.
 
That's every job.

You thing they'd fire Steven Hawking for going off on a grad student? Reverse the roles, what would happen to a student who told off Hawking?

The star is an extremely important role for a movie and can make/break the film. There's also a tipping point not too far into production where replacing any of the main roles becomes unfeasible in all but the most exceptional circumstances due to time and monetary constraints. Replacing a set/prop/lighting, anyone not on screen is much easier.

Every profession is tiered and those at the top will be able to get away with more. If I tell off my boss, I'd get fired... If he tells me off, he might get a slap on the wrist, if he can't come up with a good enough excuse for it.

Bingo. I would agree with that.
 
That's every job.

You thing they'd fire Steven Hawking for going off on a grad student? Reverse the roles, what would happen to a student who told off Hawking?

The star is an extremely important role for a movie and can make/break the film. There's also a tipping point not too far into production where replacing any of the main roles becomes unfeasible in all but the most exceptional circumstances due to time and monetary constraints. Replacing a set/prop/lighting, anyone not on screen is much easier.

Every profession is tiered and those at the top will be able to get away with more. If I tell off my boss, I'd get fired... If he tells me off, he might get a slap on the wrist, if he can't come up with a good enough excuse for it.

Bingo. I would agree with that.

I should have added the caveat, that in no way do I condone his behavior. The complaint that it wouldn't happen in another profession is unfounded, no matter where you work, there's a hierarchy associated with it and those at the top will be able to do things that would get those at the bottom fired in an instant. Doesn't make it right, but it's reality.
 
I should have added the caveat, that in no way do I condone his behavior. The complaint that it wouldn't happen in another profession is unfounded, no matter where you work, there's a hierarchy associated with it and those at the top will be able to do things that would get those at the bottom fired in an instant. Doesn't make it right, but it's reality.

Agreed again. Thanks for helping me with my point. I'm not always as clear as I hope to be.
 
I like how he started in an American accent, then 40 seconds in he switched to an English accent, then switches in and out.
 
No- I didn't say it was acceptable. I said, unless you've been in the situation, don't be so quick to judge. I tried to illustrate that with a situation I was in. Was it right? Maybe not. But I certainly am not going to think I'm an a**hole for doing it.

Lee - Most people don't want to ever think of themselves as an a**hole.
Unfortunately, because of that, a lot of people excuse themsleves for bad behavior. They will say "it was a certain situation, and I acted badly at that moment, because of the pressure, because I was having a bad day, because of [fill in the blank]" But then they think, "well I don't generally consider myself an a**hole, so...it must have been ok for me to completely lose it for that long, right?"

No. Sorry, it's not.

You can be an absolute saint 99.99% of the time in your life. But act like Bale did in that tape, REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES (because there's NO amount of f***ing up that someone else does which excuses that behavior), and, well...sorry, you're an a**hole -- plain and simple.

At the time, it's what happened. I lost it, and if you'd been there, I bet you would have too.

Nope. Again, sorry.

You (and Bale) might have it within yourselves to "go there" -- but I, and MANY other people, do NOT. Not matter WHAT happens. Sorry. I've never once in my life gotten so worked up to verbally abuse someone like that. And you know what? I have been in much worse situations than what you or Bale seemed to have been in. MUCH worse, where someone cost me much more than just an "intense scene." According to your logic, I would have had grounds to be abusive to the people I was upset with too. But...I didn't. At my absolute worst, I got upset enough to raise my voice to get my point across, and that was that. There wasn't a need to throw a several-minute-long abusive temper tantrum because I felt I was justified to do so.

Just because YOU and Bale lost it the moments you did, does NOT mean others would in the exact same situations. You can justify your behavior all you want in your head, but that doesn't make it right. It doesn't.

Does that make you an a**hole for life? No, of course not. But it's very possible you had it within you to be an a**hole in other circumstances too. My hope would be that you've changed since then -- and wouldn't do something like that ever again. From your posts on here, it doesn't seem like you could be like that now. You seem quite pleasant, actually, and a fun-loving guy -- which is why I'm surprised by what you're saying here. I would hope you would never pull Bale-like behavior on anyone again.

How do you guys know what the relationship is between these two guys? For all you know, they went out and had beers later.

Even if they did, AGAIN, it doesn't justify it. Yeah, it's very possible Bale knew he was acting like an a**hole (or more likely, someone had to point it out to him), and invited the guy out for drinks later to try and "make up" for it. The guy, fearing for his job, accepted and went along with it -- all the time thinking Bale was a complete prick, because...well, he was.

If you guys want to turn this into a big deal because it makes you feel superior, that's your business. But honestly, I don't think it is. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

I'm not making a big deal out of it because it makes me feel superior. If anything, one can argue YOU feel superior enough in your previous actions on set to make it NOT a big deal. I'm not saying that myself, I really am not -- but one could certainly make that arguement.

And no one's making mountains out of molehills here -- just stating opinions. It does, however, seem like you're going out of the way to excuse Bale's behavior, in an effort to somehow excuse/downplay yours back then? It's really OK to admit you may have been an a**hole then, and that you're not now -- that's fine. But defending Bale's behavior by bringing up your own similar tirade just doesn't sit well... :(
 
Now I know why on the late show or whatever it was he kept getting a phone call from Christian Bale freaking out on him as a joke.

that was really funny though when Christian Bale asked the guy to explain himself there is a pause then you hear Christian Bale go "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh goooooooooood foooooooooooooor yooooooooooooouu". Haha what a dick.
 
What was the rolled eyes for? Was a valid question…


Sorry I used the wrong emoticon. It was meant to be a smile, implying that I found your statement amusing.

Does anyone remember that episode of Friends that guest stars Ben Stiller? Rachel dates him and she thinks he's lovely, but Ross repeatedly seems him when Rachels not around losing his temper and screaming and shouting at people? Ross trys to tell everyone what he's actually like, but they don't believe him.

That's sorta how I pictured Christian Bale's outburst.
 
Lee - Most people don't want to ever think of themselves as an a**hole.
Unfortunately, because of that, a lot of people excuse themsleves for bad behavior. They will say "it was a certain situation, and I acted badly at that moment, because of the pressure, because I was having a bad day, because of [fill in the blank]" But then they think, "well I don't generally consider myself an a**hole, so...it must have been ok for me to completely lose it for that long, right?"

No. Sorry, it's not.

You can be an absolute saint 99.99% of the time in your life. But act like Bale did in that tape, REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES (because there's NO amount of f***ing up that someone else does which excuses that behavior), and, well...sorry, you're an a**hole -- plain and simple.

Fine. Then I'm an a**hole. Because if I were ever in that situation again, I'd probably react the same way. Everyone has their breaking point. No one is perfect and reacts perfectly all the time.



Nope. Again, sorry.

You (and Bale) might have it within yourselves to "go there" -- but I, and MANY other people, do NOT. Not matter WHAT happens. Sorry. I've never once in my life gotten so worked up to verbally abuse someone like that. And you know what? I have been in much worse situations than what you or Bale seemed to have been in. MUCH worse, where someone cost me much more than just an "intense scene." According to your logic, I would have had grounds to be abusive to the people I was upset with too. But...I didn't. At my absolute worst, I got upset enough to raise my voice to get my point across, and that was that. There wasn't a need to throw a several-minute-long abusive temper tantrum because I felt I was justified to do so.

Just because YOU and Bale lost it the moments you did, does NOT mean others would in the exact same situations. You can justify your behavior all you want in your head, but that doesn't make it right. It doesn't.

Does that make you an a**hole for life? No, of course not. But it's very possible you had it within you to be an a**hole in other circumstances too. My hope would be that you've changed since then -- and wouldn't do something like that ever again. From your posts on here, it doesn't seem like you could be like that now. You seem quite pleasant, actually, and a fun-loving guy -- which is why I'm surprised by what you're saying here. I would hope you would never pull Bale-like behavior on anyone again.

Again- then I'm an a**hole. Everyone has a point where they can seriously explode. I like to think I have a pretty high tolerance for mistakes. It doesn't happen often, but it has happened, and I'm sure at some point it will again if pushed to that point. There's no way I'd say it couldn't.

And yeah, I do think I'm a fair guy and a nice guy, so just imagine what it would take to set me off. It takes a lot, believe me.

I'm not excusing any behavior, just explaining it. If you think you'd NEVER go there, then someone has simply never pushed you that far.
 
i can symphasize with bale as i know i have lost it before

for instance, back in co there were 3 mustangs driving at 15-20 mph under the speed limit of 40mph on a road only 3 lanes wide.....creating a huge backup behind them for no reason other than to cruise. they did so for a good 5 miles i had to be somewhere and when the opportunity arose, i pulled up along one of the effers and chewed the hell out of him in my car. i was seriosuly ready to kick his ass if need be

punk teenagers

only time i ever lost it while driving but man was i pissed as i was late for no reason except idiots wanting to go half speed to joyride
 
I couldn't agree more. I think losing it at someone at all is hugely unprofessional, I don't agree with it, haven't done it myself, I don't expect to do it myself, but I accept it does happen. But that wasn't a frustrated outburst, that was a massive bullying tirade. There is no way for that kind of behaviour to be acceptable. I'm shocked that so many people think it is.
Summarized my feelings very well, thank you. :)

Those things said, I don't believe this issue to be of great importance. It happened, and it's for Bale and his colleagues to work out.
 
He didn't kill kittens or puppies. Give him a break. If some jackass ruined something I was working on, I'd tear him a new one, just like Bale did.
 
I like how he started in an American accent, then 40 seconds in he switched to an English accent, then switches in and out.

Welsh actually ;) He was in character and going a little schizo.

He's now apologised for it. Happened some time ago, everyone's still friends apparently.

No 'kittehs' were hurt in the making of Terminator: Salvation, phew.
 
I just wish when these lovies threw their tantrums they did it in their own accent. And Bale's lucky his nose is in one piece.
 
He left Wales at a young age. I don't think he has a Welsh accent any more...
 
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