CINEBENCH! AMD Radeon R9 M370X

[TechZeke]

Think you missed my point nVidia have probably priced themselves out of Apple's market, probably because they don't need the revenue. I don't think Apple would have gone AMD out of charity!

Private, for-profit companies like Apple don't things like this out of charity. I know the butt hurt people on here who want a 950M(especially magbarn) would like think that, but it's not the case. Apple has switched between AMD and nvidia for years.

When the new Mac Pros had AMD Firepro GPUs, it was pretty obvious Apple was going to switch.

Clearly something happened in the Negotiation room that none of us will never know about that caused the switch. FYI, this was my original point before I accused of saying that Apple should be a charity case for AMD. If AMD wasn't around, everyone would be at the mercy of nvidia.

With that said, AMD staying around is good thing for the sake of advancement and consumers. The near monopoly of Intel already shows in the laptop/desktop industry because every manufacturer including Apple are at the mercy of Intel's release cycle and prices plus major advancements in architecture like Maxwell for GPUs simply don't happen anymore for CPUs with Intel.

Again, I'm not saying there should be charity case for AMD, I'm just trying to ease the butt hurt and show perspective. I'm probably still going to get burned again by magbarn, but whatever.

 

[Dannejaha]

Hello!

I am new to write on the forum but been reading on the site for several years.

I just bought the 2015 15" with AMD 370X and i have the old 2012 15" retina with 650M. I uploaded some unboxing and then some test where i compare the computers side by side.

Maybe you find it useful for your decisions... enjoy!

Unboxing

Tests

 

[Adolf]

less than 15% better than 2012 macbook nvidia 650M,

 

[MacDevMike]

Hey guys, just FYI the Firestrike numbers that NoteBookCheck is showing are mine. The standard score and graphics score are to the number off of only one sample, so thats just my sample reporting to Futuremark that they are showing. The numbers they have for 3DMark11 are the other guys in this thread. I think they show p3684 or something, but mine were actually p4040. In addition, the card did allow me to overclock it with Afterburner by 100mhz core clock and pull p4350. Another thing I should have mentioned was the temp in the card at standard clock never went beyond 71c, and overclocked never went beyond 78c. So this card seems to run cooler then the 750m by quite a margin.

My hunch is that what we are seeing might even be drivers that aren't even close to optimized. If you look at other cards that put down 4k in 3DMark11, you typically see a Firestrike score around 3000.

A great example of this is the GeForce 850m:

3DMark11: p4385
Firestrike: 3085

I really think the 370x should be putting down around 2900-3000 in this test, especially with how much better the typical CPU will be in the MBP then the typical CPU accompanying an 850m (a lot of 4200u class.)

I bet when the whole story on this machine presents itself, the driver will get updated by ATI or Apple, and the thing will be closer to an 850m. In hindsight, I should have run WOW and D3 in Windows for fun. I also wonder how much better the Firestrike score might have been if it had the 4980HQ in it for a CPU. Remember the typical 750m score is around 1500, but my score was 1885 with that CPU. That could translate to 2600-2700 Firestrike with the current driver (or not...who knows.)

Time will tell. And to those who sent me PM's and thanks in the thread, I love MBP's and benchmarking in general. This was a fun project, and I was happy to help out the community!

 

[cookies!]

Unoptimized drivers wouldn't surprise me at all given the performance of Intel Iris on Yosemite's UI.

 

[jdetraz]

Did someone test the performances via bootcamp?
Intereted to see how recent game released this year or "heavy" 3d games are running (GTA 5, Witcher 3, Evolve ...)
Testing games that are 3 years old or more is fun but will not show the real potential (or not) of the AMD card.

Someone did a test with GTA 5 and the performance are good for a laptop:
http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/36u07m/retina_macbook_pro_2015_15_gpu_benchmark/cri5ocu

 

[Cuniac]

Hey guys, just FYI the Firestrike numbers that NoteBookCheck is showing are mine. The standard score and graphics score are to the number off of only one sample, so thats just my sample reporting to Futuremark that they are showing. The numbers they have for 3DMark11 are the other guys in this thread. I think they show p3684 or something, but mine were actually p4040. In addition, the card did allow me to overclock it with Afterburner by 100mhz core clock and pull p4350. Another thing I should have mentioned was the temp in the card at standard clock never went beyond 71c, and overclocked never went beyond 78c. So this card seems to run cooler then the 750m by quite a margin.

My hunch is that what we are seeing might even be drivers that aren't even close to optimized. If you look at other cards that put down 4k in 3DMark11, you typically see a Firestrike score around 3000.

A great example of this is the GeForce 850m:

3DMark11: p4385
Firestrike: 3085

I really think the 370x should be putting down around 2900-3000 in this test, especially with how much better the typical CPU will be in the MBP then the typical CPU accompanying an 850m (a lot of 4200u class.)

I bet when the whole story on this machine presents itself, the driver will get updated by ATI or Apple, and the thing will be closer to an 850m. In hindsight, I should have run WOW and D3 in Windows for fun. I also wonder how much better the Firestrike score might have been if it had the 4980HQ in it for a CPU. Remember the typical 750m score is around 1500, but my score was 1885 with that CPU. That could translate to 2600-2700 Firestrike with the current driver (or not...who knows.)

Time will tell. And to those who sent me PM's and thanks in the thread, I love MBP's and benchmarking in general. This was a fun project, and I was happy to help out the community!

If this is true I will get the CPU bump when I finally order my MBP15

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Hey guys, just FYI the Firestrike numbers that NoteBookCheck is showing are mine. The standard score and graphics score are to the number off of only one sample, so thats just my sample reporting to Futuremark that they are showing. The numbers they have for 3DMark11 are the other guys in this thread. I think they show p3684 or something, but mine were actually p4040. In addition, the card did allow me to overclock it with Afterburner by 100mhz core clock and pull p4350. Another thing I should have mentioned was the temp in the card at standard clock never went beyond 71c, and overclocked never went beyond 78c. So this card seems to run cooler then the 750m by quite a margin.

My hunch is that what we are seeing might even be drivers that aren't even close to optimized. If you look at other cards that put down 4k in 3DMark11, you typically see a Firestrike score around 3000.

A great example of this is the GeForce 850m:

3DMark11: p4385
Firestrike: 3085

I really think the 370x should be putting down around 2900-3000 in this test, especially with how much better the typical CPU will be in the MBP then the typical CPU accompanying an 850m (a lot of 4200u class.)

I bet when the whole story on this machine presents itself, the driver will get updated by ATI or Apple, and the thing will be closer to an 850m. In hindsight, I should have run WOW and D3 in Windows for fun. I also wonder how much better the Firestrike score might have been if it had the 4980HQ in it for a CPU. Remember the typical 750m score is around 1500, but my score was 1885 with that CPU. That could translate to 2600-2700 Firestrike with the current driver (or not...who knows.)

Time will tell. And to those who sent me PM's and thanks in the thread, I love MBP's and benchmarking in general. This was a fun project, and I was happy to help out the community!

I know you returned your new MacBook Pro, but was there much of a difference that you could feel/see during normal tasks and gaming? I have a late 2013 with 2.3 ghz i7 (in my sig) and wonder how much of a difference there would be.

 

[Dannejaha]

less than 15% better than 2012 macbook nvidia 650M,

Not according to my tests so far. If you are talking about hdd, cpu or so its far better. And then the graphics seems also to be a lot better. 30-35 to 40-45 fps in D3. (see links above).

 

[ApoorvPrem]

Hey guys, just FYI the Firestrike numbers that NoteBookCheck is showing are mine. The standard score and graphics score are to the number off of only one sample, so thats just my sample reporting to Futuremark that they are showing. The numbers they have for 3DMark11 are the other guys in this thread. I think they show p3684 or something, but mine were actually p4040. In addition, the card did allow me to overclock it with Afterburner by 100mhz core clock and pull p4350. Another thing I should have mentioned was the temp in the card at standard clock never went beyond 71c, and overclocked never went beyond 78c. So this card seems to run cooler then the 750m by quite a margin.

My hunch is that what we are seeing might even be drivers that aren't even close to optimized. If you look at other cards that put down 4k in 3DMark11, you typically see a Firestrike score around 3000.

A great example of this is the GeForce 850m:

3DMark11: p4385
Firestrike: 3085

I really think the 370x should be putting down around 2900-3000 in this test, especially with how much better the typical CPU will be in the MBP then the typical CPU accompanying an 850m (a lot of 4200u class.)

I bet when the whole story on this machine presents itself, the driver will get updated by ATI or Apple, and the thing will be closer to an 850m. In hindsight, I should have run WOW and D3 in Windows for fun. I also wonder how much better the Firestrike score might have been if it had the 4980HQ in it for a CPU. Remember the typical 750m score is around 1500, but my score was 1885 with that CPU. That could translate to 2600-2700 Firestrike with the current driver (or not...who knows.)

Time will tell. And to those who sent me PM's and thanks in the thread, I love MBP's and benchmarking in general. This was a fun project, and I was happy to help out the community!

If the temperatures in the further reviews stick with the ones that you got then I am jumping in the dGPU boat. Only thing keeping me away was the heating issue again - Being a student I need it to last.

 

[radiohead14]

Here is the 3DMark11 score guys!

3DMark11 370X

holy disappointment batman!

 

[Maxx Power]

...I think they show p3684 or something, but mine were actually p4040. In addition, the card did allow me to overclock it with Afterburner by 100mhz core clock and pull p4350. Another thing I should have mentioned was the temp in the card at standard clock never went beyond 71c, and overclocked never went beyond 78c. So this card seems to run cooler then the 750m by quite a margin.

My hunch is that what we are seeing might even be drivers that aren't even close to optimized. If you look at other cards that put down 4k in 3DMark11, you typically see a Firestrike score around 3000.

A great example of this is the GeForce 850m:

3DMark11: p4385
Firestrike: 3085

I really think the 370x should be putting down around 2900-3000 in this test, especially with how much better the typical CPU will be in the MBP then the typical CPU accompanying an 850m (a lot of 4200u class.)

Thank you again for your efforts. I am very pleased to hear of the 71 degrees Celsius load temperature on the M370X. From memory, the 750m/650m chips never ran very cool.

 

[cookies!]

Thank you again for your efforts. I am very pleased to hear of the 71 degrees Celsius load temperature on the M370X. From memory, the 750m/650m chips never ran very cool.

I get like 50-70 degree load on the Iris 6100, so this is indeed pretty good!

 

[HarryT]

Hello!

I am new to write on the forum but been reading on the site for several years.

I just bought the 2015 15" with AMD 370X and i have the old 2012 15" retina with 650M. I uploaded some unboxing and then some test where i compare the computers side by side.

Maybe you find it useful for your decisions... enjoy!

Unboxing

Tests

Thanks for your video

Tip for the future...never record video in portrait mode lol

 

[Dannejaha]

Thanks for your video

Tip for the future...never record video in portrait mode lol

Haha! Not my best angle i suppose ;-). The sounds was not where i wanted i to be either. But i only had one "stand" (charger) for my iPhone and no other camera. So it will have to do

Hope you could atlas see/hear the tests.

 

[ppone]

Thanks for the review!

Can you test both machines with xbench with the Automatic graphics switching disabled and post the screenshots.

http://www.xbench.com

Thanks again.

Hello!

I am new to write on the forum but been reading on the site for several years.

I just bought the 2015 15" with AMD 370X and i have the old 2012 15" retina with 650M. I uploaded some unboxing and then some test where i compare the computers side by side.

Maybe you find it useful for your decisions... enjoy!

Unboxing

Tests

 

[Dannejaha]

Thanks for the review!

Can you test both machines with xbench with the Automatic graphics switching disabled and post the screenshots.

http://www.xbench.com

Thanks again.

Sure, can try that tomorrow. 00:08 here right now and work tomorrow (today) :-(

 

[827538]

Thank you again for your efforts. I am very pleased to hear of the 71 degrees Celsius load temperature on the M370X. From memory, the 750m/650m chips never ran very cool.

72*C for me on my 750M during prolonged sessions in at room temp.

Looks more and more likely this new system will be getting returned as soon as it arrives, hugely disappointed. Will start looking at alternatives I think.

 

[BuCkDoG]

Sure, can try that tomorrow. 00:08 here right now and work tomorrow (today) :-(

Thank You so much for your video and info on both of these machines. This greatly helped my decision is possibly making a move to sell this and upgrade but I think for now I will pass and wait for the next round solely for 14nm and possibly a better GPU. It does look like it is a improvement but not as huge of an improvement as many had hoped. The SSD though is ridiculously fast I must say. Thanks again!

 

[ppone]

Sounds good.

Thank you

Sure, can try that tomorrow. 00:08 here right now and work tomorrow (today) :-(

 

[Cuniac]

Has anyone been able to run the test with the 2.8 to see if the fire strike score is really any better or not?

 

[tadziak]

MacDevMike - out of curiosity - could you run this command:
ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

and see what screen model do you have? I wonder if it's still both LG and Samsung mounted. What are your impressions about the screen - is it nice, even and bright?

 

[Kal-037]

MacDevMike - out of curiosity - could you run this command:
ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

and see what screen model do you have? I wonder if it's still both LG and Samsung mounted. What are your impressions about the screen - is it nice, even and bright?

Mine is even, accurate, and bright, I compared it to my perfect iPad Air 2 and the brightness and colors were great, my iPad was actually a tad more blue (like a tiny tiny bit,) but despite that the current rMBP I just got looks amazing. My 2013 and 2014 MBs looked a little more warm than the 2015.
I tried running your command but I forget it always tries to get me to install Xcode to do that, and I don't want to install something just to see what manufacturer made my display. Plus I feel at this point it's negligible, LG makes good stuff now days (post 2013)


Kal.

 

[Dannejaha]

MacDevMike - out of curiosity - could you run this command:
ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

and see what screen model do you have? I wonder if it's still both LG and Samsung mounted. What are your impressions about the screen - is it nice, even and bright?

Gives:
"Color LCD"

 

[MagicBoy]

Should give the model number on the line below.