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CINEBENCH! AMD Radeon R9 M370X
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its not just m270x rebadge, its actually the same freaking chip used in desktop 7770 thats more than three years old. so freaking dissapointing..
thanks for benches and screenshots anyway.
I'm a graphics newbie, so help me out here. You are mad because it's a m270x rebranded, but on a quick search, this card can run Witcher 3 at very good settings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1TSykaI-Ik), something that the 750m can't even barely do..
So.. Is it really a bad card?
Thanks!
This is essentially like the 6490m version of the cMBP a few years ago.
iGPU will be almost (70-80%) as fast in games.
iGPU will be almost (70-80%) as fast in games.
Compare it to m270x GPU-Z I have found: http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/677562Sanstitre.jpg
Its the same card, possibly slightly overclocked. Definitely inferior to Nvidia's Maxwell. But well, at least it beats the 750M... Still, I was expecting something more exiting.
P.S. I am not cancelling my order
I will use the laptop primarily for work, and that SSD speeds will be very helpful. Gaming performance is not as good as I have expected, but it will still manage over 50 fps in GW2 at decent settings and I don't really need more.
Yes. This is all 2012 era technology. Only loyal idiots like us buy this **** for so much money.
The Lenovo Y40 is a $700 laptop that aside from slower I/O and lower res screen offers similar performance and components. A revision is coming, for all I know it might have a 3k or 4k screen and a couple of M2 slots for fast SSDs and then it would really be embarrassing.
My plan to condense computers down into a single 2015 15" MBP just went up in a puff. Better to keep what I have.
First of all, the video shows very low (even uncomfortable) framerates, so I wouldn't say it RUNS it well. And to put it clear. it's not that bad. It's just old and isn't really much better 750m used previousl. And its worse than Nvidia Maxwell (950m/960m) GPUs everyone was hoping to see in this MBP upgrade.
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freesync has nothing to do with 4k and 5k displays and doesn't make them any better. it's for specific gaming scenarios. not to mention m370x will choke to death trying to run any game at 4k or 5k resolution.
It's sad, really.. But as an iOS developer, I'm kind of locked into Apple stuff. I considered assembling an Hackintosh, but don't know if it's worth the trouble, It's my working machine after all..
Now I'm thinking to buy the lower end rMBP 15", and a PS4 with the difference...
Same, these benchmarks are meaningless to me. Gaming performance under bootcamp is what I'm desperate to see!
My new Mac is still on its way from China so I have some time to wait
.The iGPU will be two times slower or more. I think you are overreacting a bit. The m370x seems to be basically identical to the HD7770, which is by far not the newest card anymore, but still absolutely capable of running modern games on a laptop screen. It runs GTA5 at around 50fps at 1080p.
No, its not bad per se... its just that Nvidias 850m/950m would have been significantly better.
I hear what your saying, I have the same issue. I'm considering returning this thing and ordering an iMac/295x. That would be almost 4x the graphics power of the 750m and a dream to work in XCode and read code on.
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But they did usually use the better options. When they used AMD in the 6750M those were actually the best and better than what Nvidia had at the time. When Kepler in the 650M arrived they switched to the now better Nvidia. AMD is now slightly faster than Kepler but there is Maxwell which is a lot better. Why would Apple supplying probably the most expensive notebook of its class go with a clearly inferior chip.
Firestrike 2300 which isn't much faster than the 750M but a 960M which every Windows notebook out there in this notebook class uses reaches 4000 pts. That is not even a small difference that is huge.
The only reason I can think of is that the same reason I thought they never updated to the 850M. They aren't interested in dGPUs anymore and want to kill it in the next redesign. So they put in some upgrade against which Skylake GT4e looks good so they don't have to pit the old vs new, vs. Maxwell which would still outclass Intel's GPU.
Lots of Apple customers have no clue about hardware and only look at the marketing stuff they put in their adds and on their website and their geniuses spout. So as long as that sounds good, they are fine with some disgruntled tech savy guys that like their hardware for the most part but would like to use it for a little gaming as well.
When Volta comes around and Nvidia keeps their efficiency gain promise. Intel only Macs will just not compare anymore to the Windows competition. They won't be great notebooks that are allround good at everything in a slim package anymore. They will just be good Macs and I assume that will loose them quite a few customers, especially in the college crowd.
keep in mind that m295x iMac heats as hell, throttles and works very noisy under above average graphics load
For anyone that is looking for windows gaming benchmarks, notebook check for the M275 should give you a pretty good estimate.
If this turns out to be a rebadged 3 year old chip then my Mac is going straight back...
Seriously, we've barely made any real gains on the dGPU front since 2012... I realise this isn't designed for gaming but that's a pretty bitter pill to swallow.
Will likely be waiting for Skylake now.
Seriously, we've barely made any real gains on the dGPU front since 2012... I realise this isn't designed for gaming but that's a pretty bitter pill to swallow.
Will likely be waiting for Skylake now.
Yeah, I suspected as much. The 15" MBPs are pretty loud under a load or playing a game as well. But on another note, did you guys take a look at the 3DMark11 score? This thing put down 4040, which is less then 10 percent away from a 950m. The 750m puts down 2500, so the 370x buried it in 3DMark11 by about 60%.
Some of this gets confusing. I ran Diablo 3 at retina resolution on both machines with both of them cranked, and got about 19-21fps on the 750m and 29-31 on the 370x. I suppose that is in fact 50% more fps.
The other thing that is confounding matters is that the SSD in this thing is SO fast that it plays tricks with your head. I boot into Windows in 6 seconds. Diablo 3 load screens are almost instaclick. Its almost like it all adds up to feel like a bigger update.
Ill need to sleep on this one.
Yeah, you have been repeating this for a while but I really don't see any evidence that supports your position. If Apple wouldn't care for dGPU, they wouldn't have refreshed the 15" MBP at all. Why go through the trouble of redesigning the logic board and making a custom GPU if they want to drop it in the near future? On contrary, they have kept the dGPU and have even updated it with a significantly stronger card (even though it was not the strongest possible option).
I think the truth will turn out to be much more prosaic. We know that there Maxwell drivers in Yosemite betas. So Apple was probably considering Maxwell. I guess at some point negotiations with Nvidia broke down. Either AMD gave Apple a much better deal or Nvidia was not able to deliver as many units as Apple requested.
This does make this update to the macbook pro look pretty odd. Why go to the trouble of updating the lineup with the same CPUs and a mediocre jump in GPU performance. I am guessing the answer lies in whatever is announced at WWDC. Maybe better OpenCL support or an external display. Maybe they just did it for better compute performance. Maybe AMD just gave them a great deal. Who knows.
Its still a much better update than from 650M to 750M in 2013. It is comparable to the jump from 6770M to 650M in 2012.
4040 is a solid 3DMark score.
thanks for the info. Very happy about this upgrade. Don't care if it's a re-badged 1990s card with that score.
That may be true, but back then they updated the main processor as well. Besides the fact iGPU was given a huge leap forward.
I am still waiting to see the performance of this dGPU on Windows to make a final judgement, but seriously it's annoying paying premium prices for mediocre parts. Because apparently this dGPU is just that when compared to what Nvidia can offer.